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 Shidank wrote:


Since the Warp itself is raw energy and time itself is measured as such

Time's definitely not energy.

 koooaei wrote:

 Shidank wrote:


Since the Warp itself is raw energy and time itself is measured as such

Time's definitely not energy.

Time is a dimension and measure in....time...

People have gone backwards and forwards in time in 40k before, usually involving a Warp Travel accident. Ravenor did this in the Ravenor trilogy, and managed to get back to the future. But its not reliable in any way.

Time as we know it doesn't exist in the warp, or rather its not linear at the very least. There is always a semi-predictable time distortion done while traveling. IE: If you spent 3 weeks from your perspective traveling to a planet, but in real space somewhere between 18 and 30 days could pass. But in freaky accidents you could show up at your destination before you even left your starting point(effectively traveling back in time), or arrive weeks or years late(effectively traveling forward in time)

There was the story of a ship newly created on Mars setting sail on its maiden voyage, only to exit the warp in the same location 100 years before the ship was built. The ship was not in any records and was destroyed upon contact.

 Grey Templar wrote:
People have gone backwards and forwards in time in 40k before, usually involving a Warp Travel accident. Ravenor did this in the Ravenor trilogy, and managed to get back to the future. But its not reliable in any way.

Time as we know it doesn't exist in the warp, or rather its not linear at the very least. There is always a semi-predictable time distortion done while traveling. IE: If you spent 3 weeks from your perspective traveling to a planet, but in real space somewhere between 18 and 30 days could pass. But in freaky accidents you could show up at your destination before you even left your starting point(effectively traveling back in time), or arrive weeks or years late(effectively traveling forward in time)

There was the story of a ship newly created on Mars setting sail on its maiden voyage, only to exit the warp in the same location 100 years before the ship was built. The ship was not in any records and was destroyed upon contact.

See, this is one of those loophole in 40k stories that I disagree.

They know time travel accidents is "common" when using warp, but they have no protocol guideline ....

If ship x is detected, they should have protocol that it might be from the future or the past.

If I am not mistaking...it is almost allways never on schedule when using warp travel. The time scale is between weeks and years...

To open fire at a human ship unexpected schedule is silly.

Time exist in the warp, it is just not liner...whatever that means..if there is no time...then that is like frozen or freezes....no motion.

Oh and the Mars example... It is a different dimension.

Dim 1 ship went out at year 100 capt. Mike is it it.
Dim 2 ship arrived at year 1 same location and was destroyed. Capt. Mike is dead.

Dim 1 ship was lost and never arrive...gone forever capt. Mike died.

Dim 2 we destroyed some ship year 1. Year 100 we send a ship and that ship was lost and never found again. Capt. Mike is alive and lost with the ship (dead) in year 1.

That is how I view time travel. Don't get confuse.

If they didn't destroy the ship on year 1. Capt Mike might get to meet his great grand parent and tell them and the rest of mankind the next 100 years of future to come....this will change the future and this is now Dim2 because I doubt that the guy who won the life "lotto" will be the same guy from dim1, more likely, the winner will be people from that ship.

There was an ork Warboss who travelled back in time, met himself there and killed to get two of his favourite shootas!

BTW, if you're not familliar, Sergei Kikalev - a russian astronaut - is the one who's managed to travel in time 'the furthest' yet. He went 0,02 seconds in future due to spending 803 days in orbit

Abaddon uses time travel to trick a daemon in the black legion supplement.

If ship x is detected, they should have protocol that it might be from the future or the past.

This is 40k. Let's say an unidentified ship appears in a system. It could be a ship from the future, filled with secrets that aid the Imperium. Or it could just be filled with alien/daemonic/heretical horrors beyond mortal ken that doom the system to a fate worse than death.
It's always going to be the second one.
Humanity has learned from bitter experience to look every gift horse in the mouth. That's because every time they didn't look the gift horse in the mouth, said gift horse turned out to be [a steed of Slaneesh/filled with genestealer eggs/a donkey played by Eddie Murphy] and killed several billion people.


Also, the Warp will move you through both time and space. So:
Day 01: System AllGoingToDie comes under attack. System sends distress signal.
Day 12: The Imperial base at Bakka receive the message. Ships are dispatched to aid the system.
Day 07: The ships arrive 5 days before they departed.
What are they going to do? They're all the way over in system AllGoingToDie.
Option 1: They could try to head back to Bakka and hope that the trip is less than 5 days. Yeah, good luck with that.
Option 2: They could try to send everything they know of days 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. But to who? The crew only know of the events that happened on Bakka. The people who would benefit the most from that information - the people of Bakka to whom the events are going to happen to - are on Bakka. Bakka might not receive those messages for another 5 days, thus making the messages utterly useless.
Option 3: Take advantage of the fact they arrived much, much earlier than expected. Help out the people of system AllGoingToDie.

EDIT, in response to David's question: Let's assume an average travel-time would be 20 days (both for the ship and for the rest of the universe).

Mallich wrote:

If ship x is detected, they should have protocol that it might be from the future or the past.

This is 40k. Let's say an unidentified ship appears in a system. It could be a ship from the future, filled with secrets that aid the Imperium. Or it could just be filled with alien/daemonic/heretical horrors beyond mortal ken that doom the system to a fate worse than death.
It's always going to be the second one.
Humanity has learned from bitter experience to look every gift horse in the mouth. That's because every time they didn't look the gift horse in the mouth, said gift horse turned out to be [a steed of Slaneesh/filled with genestealer eggs/a donkey played by Eddie Murphy] and killed several billion people.


Also, the Warp will move you through both time and space. So:
Day 01: System AllGoingToDie comes under attack. System sends distress signal.
Day 12: The Imperial base at Bakka receive the message. Ships are dispatched to aid the system.
Day 07: The ships arrive 5 days before they departed.
What are they going to do? They're all the way over in system AllGoingToDie.
Option 1: They could try to head back to Bakka and hope that the trip is less than 5 days. Yeah, good luck with that.


Option 2: They could try to send everything they know of days 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. But to who? The crew only know of the events that happened on Bakka. The people who would benefit the most from that information - the people of Bakka to whom the events are going to happen to - are on Bakka. Bakka might not receive those messages for another 5 days, thus making the messages utterly useless.
Option 3: Take advantage of the fact they arrived much, much earlier than expected. Help out the people of system AllGoingToDie.

I really don't understand your example... sounds like Imperial ship arrived on day 7 and it should have arrived on what day? You didn't explain first that the travel time should be 1 day or 5 years? Lets assume that it was a 5 day journey and the ship should have arrive at Day17th....

By getting there at day 7 vs. 17... this is a good thing for the imperial. The system allgoingtodie got help 10 days ahead of schedule. Not a big deal....

But.... if the Imperial ship arrive 100 years before ... this is a big event. The is a bonus in a way. The Ship will know that in 100year and 1 day.. .the system will be under attack. This could be a useful prediction and they can take that to the bank. They can now report to Terra that 13th crusade will happen on year X and so on....


OR ... if the plot dictate that BAMB! the ship arrived 100 years too soon... so Allgoingtodie system destroyed that ship right away.

The problem with time travel in any story is it swiftly risks interfering with causality and collapsing things into nonsense. There are various narrative ways around that but we don't know if GW has a particular policy applying to 40K:

1) Changing the past in any large scale way is impossible and events conspire to prevent any large scale change
For example, say an Eldar tries to go back from 40K to pre-Fall times to warn people against becoming decadent. They fail to convince anyone and are dismissed as crazy and Fall proceeds anyway. At best, maybe this Eldar from the future convinces a few individual Eldar and these individuals flee with Exodites or the Craftworlds and survive when they might otherwise not have. Sure the past has changed slightly, but 10,000 years later the big picture is still essentially the same.

2) Change is possible but then the alternate timeline splits off, leaving things unchanged for the observers in the original timeline

Using example from above, Eldar from the future somehow prevents the Fall. This forks the timeline, with timeline 1 being the 40K timeline and timeline 2 being a new alternate timeline where the Eldar Empire still exists. From the perspective of the 40k timeline Eldar, nothing has changed and the Fall still occurred.

3) Events conspire so that attempts to prevent the past end up ensuring it comes to pass when it otherwise might not have.

This has been used by GW before. There is a Black Library book, Desert Raiders, in which 2 Imperial Guard regiments are sent to investigate an uninhabited planet with no apparent known Imperial forces there after receiving a garbled Astropath message filled with terror and image of the shreds of an Imperial flag. They discover Tyranids and are overwhelmed. Just before the last of them fall after a last stand around their standards, the Astropath sends off a desperate terror filled message trying to warn people not to go to the planet. The message gets garbled and transmitted back in time to be received by their past selves, who then go on to investigate the planet they would otherwise have ignored etc...

A similar loop occurs in Gav Thorpe's Path of the Eldar books wherein the new Eldar Farseer's desperate attempts to prevent the attack on the craftworld she keeps seeing ends up actually causing it.

Iracundus wrote:
The problem with time travel in any story is it swiftly risks interfering with causality and collapsing things into nonsense. There are various narrative ways around that but we don't know if GW has a particular policy applying to 40K:

1) Changing the past in any large scale way is impossible and events conspire to prevent any large scale change
For example, say an Eldar tries to go back from 40K to pre-Fall times to warn people against becoming decadent. They fail to convince anyone and are dismissed as crazy and Fall proceeds anyway. At best, maybe this Eldar from the future convinces a few individual Eldar and these individuals flee with Exodites or the Craftworlds and survive when they might otherwise not have. Sure the past has changed slightly, but 10,000 years later the big picture is still essentially the same.

2) Change is possible but then the alternate timeline splits off, leaving things unchanged for the observers in the original timeline

Using example from above, Eldar from the future somehow prevents the Fall. This forks the timeline, with timeline 1 being the 40K timeline and timeline 2 being a new alternate timeline where the Eldar Empire still exists. From the perspective of the 40k timeline Eldar, nothing has changed and the Fall still occurred.

3) Events conspire so that attempts to prevent the past end up ensuring it comes to pass when it otherwise might not have.

This has been used by GW before. There is a Black Library book, Desert Raiders, in which 2 Imperial Guard regiments are sent to investigate an uninhabited planet with no apparent known Imperial forces there after receiving a garbled Astropath message filled with terror and image of the shreds of an Imperial flag. They discover Tyranids and are overwhelmed. Just before the last of them fall after a last stand around their standards, the Astropath sends off a desperate terror filled message trying to warn people not to go to the planet. The message gets garbled and transmitted back in time to be received by their past selves, who then go on to investigate the planet they would otherwise have ignored etc...

A similar loop occurs in Gav Thorpe's Path of the Eldar books wherein the new Eldar Farseer's desperate attempts to prevent the attack on the craftworld she keeps seeing ends up actually causing it.

I agree with the idea of muti timeline. Perhaps there are time line that Chaos has destroyed the universe in 40K or Emperor has won in 40K....we don't know.

I think the time travel discussion is just too deep for 40K to get too much into with out it becoming too central focus. This will take away the fluff of the 40K universe. In this grim dark universe of 40K and man is about to be destroyed... time travel might be their last hope. Go back and change the past or go forward and run away from the current destructive factions.

In 40k's case, I'd go with stable time loops. Every time traveller who tries to change something already did, and that's why the present is how it is.

Theres that bit of fluff where some warp entity (can't remember what/who) takes some traitor marines (can't remember who) back to the chamber where the primarchs are being created and the warp entity (whomever it is) warns the traitors (whomever they are) not to touch anything because the emperor will sense them and destroy them. so it is possible but it feels like you can't make a machine specifically to do it.

It is impossible.

Let us take the Space Wolf Battlecruiser mentioned earlier. Say events even pan out in the best possible way.
-Goes back in time to before Horus was corrupted.
-Warns Horus about Chaos and what will happen.
-Horus listens and is prevented from turning to chaos.
-Horus Heresy fails to happen.
-Space Wolves (who came back in times) timeline ceases to exist.
-Space Wolves in question cease to exist.
-Space Wolves unable to go back in time to warn Horus as they do no exist.
-Horus does not get the warning.
-It all plays out like it did.

Due to the butterfly effect, it is impossible to alter time without altering yourself/your decisions that influenced you to go back in time in the first place, thus preventing you going back in time to change that specific thing in the first place (you wouldn't still go back in time to stop something which never actually happened, thus by not going back to stop it, it actually happens).
It's why the movie Looper does not work when you think about it for more than a split second.

Poly Ranger wrote:
It is impossible.

Let us take the Space Wolf Battlecruiser mentioned earlier. Say events even pan out in the best possible way.
-Goes back in time to before Horus was corrupted.
-Warns Horus about Chaos and what will happen.
-Horus listens and is prevented from turning to chaos.
-Horus Heresy fails to happen.
-Space Wolves (who came back in times) timeline ceases to exist.
-Space Wolves in question cease to exist.
-Space Wolves unable to go back in time to warn Horus as they do no exist.
-Horus does not get the warning.
-It all plays out like it did.

Due to the butterfly effect, it is impossible to alter time without altering yourself/your decisions that influenced you to go back in time in the first place, thus preventing you going back in time to change that specific thing in the first place (you wouldn't still go back in time to stop something which never actually happened, thus by not going back to stop it, it actually happens).
It's why the movie Looper does not work when you think about it for more than a split second.[/quote

Well, it depends how this universe view time. Some universe only have one time line and other have multiple timeline.

There is one flaw in your example you assume that this current time line is the primer or the true timeline.

In your example..Horus stop the heresy and then cause the SW to cease to exist so they can't go back...but they don't need to go back because Horus didn't turn traitor.

Also - maybe the primer time line should be heresy free...meaning that 40k wars is not suppose to be here...SW fix everything and emperor is alive and well and human ruled the galaxy.

But if the Heresy didn't happen then the SW don't go back to stop it, thus they do not stop it, thus it happens. A paradox.


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As they are now no longer there to stop it, hence it still needs to be stopped, because they failed to stop it themselves as their actions caused them to cease to exist.
In otherwords, by stopping it, they cause themselves to fail to stop it. Giving the paradox.

Poly Ranger wrote:
But if the Heresy didn't happen then the SW don't go back to stop it, thus they do not stop it, thus it happens. A paradox.


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As they are now no longer there to stop it, hence it still needs to be stopped, because they failed to stop it themselves as their actions caused them to cease to exist.
In otherwords, by stopping it, they cause themselves to fail to stop it. Giving the paradox.

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There is no paradox if the heresy free is the primer timeline. Meaning that Horus should never turned traitor, some how chaos got him to turn. SW went back to fix the time as it should have been. So Horus stays loyal...SW started to fade from existence in30k....and this timeline is the primer now.....then
In 40k...those SW who went back in time from the other time line are now borne and now alive...and are free to make their own time line. They don't go back now...this is a new timeline for them. This new timeline is new and we don't know the outcome.

But upon completing their task of stopping Horus turning, they would not merely begin to fade from existance, they would have stopped existing entirely BEFORE they even made contact with Horus (and thus not actually stopped him) as they would never have gone back in time in the first place as they wouldn't have existed.
They definitely wouldn't have been born in the future if the HH didn't happen, as that would require that, despite the lack of a cataclysmic (for the imperium) war, then the lack of 10,000 years of oppression and also the lack of multiple wars that resulted from that, the exact same people would have to meet and copulate at the exact same time for the exact same sperm to fertilize the exact same egg, over and over for 10,000 years worth of generations across the entire galaxy. Which lets face it - would just never happen.

The same applies to the reverse. If the original timeline was supposed to be Horus staying loyal, then chaos could not have timetravelled to get him to turn, because if they did then their future selves would not have needed to go back in time to turn Horus, thus they wouldn't have done, thus Horus remains unturned.

As to the theory mentioned previously of timelines being parallel universes and the same timeline continuing but a different one affected... well that's not really time travel at all - that's parallel universe travel.

Poly Ranger wrote:
But upon completing their task of stopping Horus turning, they would not merely begin to fade from existance, they would have stopped existing entirely BEFORE they even made contact with Horus (and thus not actually stopped him) as they would never have gone back in time in the first place as they wouldn't have existed.
They definitely wouldn't have been born in the future if the HH didn't happen, as that would require that, despite the lack of a cataclysmic (for the imperium) war, then the lack of 10,000 years of oppression and also the lack of multiple wars that resulted from that, the exact same people would have to meet and copulate at the exact same time for the exact same sperm to fertilize the exact same egg, over and over for 10,000 years worth of generations across the entire galaxy. Which lets face it - would just never happen.

The same applies to the reverse. If the original timeline was supposed to be Horus staying loyal, then chaos could not have timetravelled to get him to turn, because if they did then their future selves would not have needed to go back in time to turn Horus, thus they wouldn't have done, thus Horus remains unturned.

As to the theory mentioned previously of timelines being parallel universes and the same timeline continuing but a different one affected... well that's not really time travel at all - that's parallel universe travel.

You don't understand the concept of multiple timeline?

What you are debating with me is based on one timeline theory. There are other theories in time travel such as multiple timeline.

Most people accepted the multiple theory because you are breaking time and already causing time to split in to more than one out come.

In my example
Timeline heresy 1 SW goback and fix things which create heresy free time line 2. After SW left ...regardless if SW is sucessful or not, this timeline 1 continue as is...nothing will change....heresy already happened and will stays as is for this timeline.

Timeline 2 no heresy - SW can continue to exist or vanish...depends on the narrative...but SW fixed everything and no heresy. This future is not know by us.
Timeline 3 heresy - SW went back and tried to stop Horus...but failed or even cause heresy to happened! SW dies in the heresy war....then 10,0000 years...SW are now born and alive to continue the loop by going back not knowing they caused the heresy.

This is why I think timetravel will cause multiple timeline.

I understand it. But that is not actually technically timetravel. If you end up on a different timeline compared to the one you left (and your original timeline continued the same), what you have actually done is travel to a parallel universe. Different timelines would be parallel universes to each other.
It is impossible to actually change your own timeline thus making time travel on your own timeline (real time travel), impossible due to the butterfly effect.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I understand it. But that is not actually technically timetravel. If you end up on a different timeline compared to the one you left (and your original timeline continued the same), what you have actually done is travel to a parallel universe. Different timelines would be parallel universes to each other.
It is impossible to actually change your own timeline thus making time travel on your own timeline (real time travel), impossible due to the butterfly effect.

You are not picking on the word time travel. Btw SW went back in time, so it is time travel.nothing has changed up to that point...they are the one who will change the timeline. That is the whole concept of time timetravel...you go back and change things or not...but it is the same time.

What you are suggesting is parallel travel in time...like SW goes back to this other parallel time where Horus never commit the heresy and enjoy this wonderful timeline with out doing anything.

My example is not that...they went back to create or hope to create a new timeline which can change the future of mankind. This is time traveling.

You have to understand from the primer pov (SW) their timeline 1 is gone and they can't hope to chage or fix anything...the second they jump off it...they are gone....now they are in timeline 2,,.. And the future of this timeline 2 will be indentical to time line one if they don't make a change like stop the heresy.

No you're misrepresenting what I'm saying there. What I am saying is IF they went back and managed to change the timeline (as in - Horus would have rebelled if they hadn't) and still existed as did the timeline, they would be on a parallel timeline not their own. If it was their own timeline, it would be impossible for the reasons mentioned previously.
If they do happen to be in a parallel universe, they will not have travelled back in time, they will have just travelled to 30k of this parallel universe. They have not travelled backwards in time as that would require them to travel on their own timeline.
Think of it this way: draw 2 lines originating from a point. These represent 2 seperate linear timelines branching from a seperate point in time. Going up each line represents going forward in time, going down each line represents going backward in time. Now label 3cm and 4cm along one line "30k 1" and "40k 1". Now label on your second line 3cm and 4cm along "30k 2" and "40k 2". Now draw a line from "40k 1" to "30k 2". At anypoint did you go back along line 1? Going backwards on the timeline represents going back in time, skipping to any point on parallel timeline involves no timetravel whatsoever, rather, travel across parallel universes (or multiverses). Hence the idea/name of a timemachine in fiction is misrepresentational - what it actually usually refers to is a machine which can travel across parallel universes. Otherwise we reach a logic paradox.
Technically to make things more understandable, you could say they have travelled in time as they started off at 40k and ended up at 30k (not the same 30k - important distinction), but if it is a parallel universe (the only possible way to do it whilst changing the timeline) this is not actually the case (as timetravel would have required them to travel to their 30k).


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I think we are probably in agreement about everything barring our definitions of timetravel.

Poly Ranger wrote:
No you're misrepresenting what I'm saying there. What I am saying is IF they went back and managed to change the timeline (as in - Horus would have rebelled if they hadn't) and still existed as did the timeline, they would be on a parallel timeline not their own. If it was their own timeline, it would be impossible for the reasons mentioned previously.
If they do happen to be in a parallel universe, they will not have travelled back in time, they will have just travelled to 30k of this parallel universe. They have not travelled backwards in time as that would require them to travel on their own timeline.
Think of it this way: draw 2 lines originating from a point. These represent 2 seperate linear timelines branching from a seperate point in time. Going up each line represents going forward in time, going down each line represents going backward in time. Now label 3cm and 4cm along one line "30k 1" and "40k 1". Now label on your second line 3cm and 4cm along "30k 2" and "40k 2". Now draw a line from "40k 1" to "30k 2". At anypoint did you go back along line 1? Going backwards on the timeline represents going back in time, skipping to any point on parallel timeline involves no timetravel whatsoever, rather, travel across parallel universes (or multiverses). Hence the idea/name of a timemachine in fiction is misrepresentational - what it actually usually refers to is a machine which can travel across parallel universes. Otherwise we reach a logic paradox.
Technically to make things more understandable, you could say they have travelled in time as they started off at 40k and ended up at 30k (not the same 30k - important distinction), but if it is a parallel universe (the only possible way to do it whilst changing the timeline) this is not actually the case (as timetravel would have required them to travel to their 30k).


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I think we are probably in agreement about everything barring our definitions of timetravel.

But I thought that it was understood that they didn't show up at the same 30k. The only way for it to be the same 30k...it would have to be the loop thing. Example....orginal 30k timeline. Nobody really know in40k history when Horus turned (as in the date and time) they just know when he started the heresy. Horus already about to turn and still thinking about it. Then SW showup and talked to him in private...they told him what would happen...Horus thought that with the future on his side...he can win the heresy now. He will kill the emperor fast and show no mercy...and Horus will live and not die....so he killed all the SW and the heresy started as is....this.

That was a single timeline theory....nothing you do will change anything...it is impossible to change timeline. Everything is and was...just the players don't know the full details.

I will say this we do agree on the concept...just the minor definition.

I do not think that there is a difination for this because it is all sci fi theories...and it really depends on the fiction narrative of which style of theory they want. I would recommend a time travel movie...Primer, very good film....but I think you have seen it.

Poly Ranger wrote:
But if the Heresy didn't happen then the SW don't go back to stop it, thus they do not stop it, thus it happens. A paradox.


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As they are now no longer there to stop it, hence it still needs to be stopped, because they failed to stop it themselves as their actions caused them to cease to exist.
In otherwords, by stopping it, they cause themselves to fail to stop it. Giving the paradox.

The Wolves would be incapable of changing Horus's mind.

Thats the idea that if time travel is possible you cannot change the past. Either you would fail OR you would cause the event you are trying to change. The wolves would go back, try to stop Horus, but would either fail or cause him to fall to Chaos in the first place.

My simple answer to this is that:
Time travel (whilst it exists, as evidenced by in-universe sources) cannot be used or harnessed in any way, shape or form. People are not warned about this or given any kind of mission to perform if they ever did time travel as a result of Warp dickery, because it is so absurdly uncommon, or that it could be viewed as HERESY by the Ordo Chronos. Or, any time travel that COULD occur, has occurred and this is how the timeline has played out. Basically, time travel should never be used in any work of 40k fanfiction to explain anything. ANYTHING!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
My simple answer to this is that:
Time travel (whilst it exists, as evidenced by in-universe sources) cannot be used or harnessed in any way, shape or form. People are not warned about this or given any kind of mission to perform if they ever did time travel as a result of Warp dickery, because it is so absurdly uncommon, or that it could be viewed as HERESY by the Ordo Chronos. Or, any time travel that COULD occur, has occurred and this is how the timeline has played out. Basically, time travel should never be used in any work of 40k fanfiction to explain anything. ANYTHING!

Tell that to the veteran of chaos space marines from heresy.

 david choe wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
My simple answer to this is that:
Time travel (whilst it exists, as evidenced by in-universe sources) cannot be used or harnessed in any way, shape or form. People are not warned about this or given any kind of mission to perform if they ever did time travel as a result of Warp dickery, because it is so absurdly uncommon, or that it could be viewed as HERESY by the Ordo Chronos. Or, any time travel that COULD occur, has occurred and this is how the timeline has played out. Basically, time travel should never be used in any work of 40k fanfiction to explain anything. ANYTHING!

Tell that to the veteran of chaos space marines from heresy.

I amend my point to BACKWARDS time travel, one that could affect the past. Better?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
My simple answer to this is that:
Time travel (whilst it exists, as evidenced by in-universe sources) cannot be used or harnessed in any way, shape or form. People are not warned about this or given any kind of mission to perform if they ever did time travel as a result of Warp dickery, because it is so absurdly uncommon, or that it could be viewed as HERESY by the Ordo Chronos. Or, any time travel that COULD occur, has occurred and this is how the timeline has played out. Basically, time travel should never be used in any work of 40k fanfiction to explain anything. ANYTHING!

Tell that to the veteran of chaos space marines from heresy.

I amend my point to BACKWARDS time travel, one that could affect the past. Better?

1 - I mentioned from the very beginning... that there should be a protocol for warp traveling... such as if you happens to go back in time ... use your knowledge to help the present to avoid the "bad" future. I don't think nobody here is talking about on purpose traveling back after it was established that there is no time machine.

2 - Ordo Chronos is gone... the ordo was so small in the first place that most don't even know jack about them. Because nobody wants them around. If they are useful and "good" for the Imperial... the High Lords would create a new one. The reason why nobody what them.. think about it...they would have all the power! Who the heck would know if the Ordo Chronos is making gak up or they are telling the truth about this past or that future. They could be abusing the power. They are gone.. missing ... say to have travel in time to fix or something. I just think that one of the High Lords terminate them all because they were a threat to their interest.

Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

 jhe90 wrote:
Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

Yeah... I know... the topic is about accident time travel. I am telling my idea is that Imperial should have a protocol set in place like a book ... if you travel to the past... do the following to help us change the present... Like if you get back to 30K STOP THE HERESY! Save the Emperor. etc....

It is rare, but common enough that it happens.. so all it takes is one lucky accident to change everything. A protocol wouldn't hurt anybody.

 david choe wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

Yeah... I know... the topic is about accident time travel. I am telling my idea is that Imperial should have a protocol set in place like a book ... if you travel to the past... do the following to help us change the present... Like if you get back to 30K STOP THE HERESY! Save the Emperor. etc....

It is rare, but common enough that it happens.. so all it takes is one lucky accident to change everything. A protocol wouldn't hurt anybody.

Nope. Most imperial citizens know little to nothing about the Heresy other than something really bad happened. They're not told the truth.

And Time Travel is so ridiculously uncommon that the vast majority of people probably don't even know or care that its possible. besides, if the present is how it currently is then the past is set in stone. because if anyone did go back in time to change the future then the present wouldn't be the cluster feth it currently is.