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 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

Yeah... I know... the topic is about accident time travel. I am telling my idea is that Imperial should have a protocol set in place like a book ... if you travel to the past... do the following to help us change the present... Like if you get back to 30K STOP THE HERESY! Save the Emperor. etc....

It is rare, but common enough that it happens.. so all it takes is one lucky accident to change everything. A protocol wouldn't hurt anybody.

Nope. Most imperial citizens know little to nothing about the Heresy other than something really bad happened. They're not told the truth.

And Time Travel is so ridiculously uncommon that the vast majority of people probably don't even know or care that its possible. besides, if the present is how it currently is then the past is set in stone. because if anyone did go back in time to change the future then the present wouldn't be the cluster feth it currently is.

I told you a protocol book. Meaning that when this gak happens... they can get the book out and read it what to do. Like a safety book in every ship. Also... who travels a lot and gone missing a lot... Space marines and IG ships.... lost in the warp... these are guys who can change the future.

 david choe wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

Yeah... I know... the topic is about accident time travel. I am telling my idea is that Imperial should have a protocol set in place like a book ... if you travel to the past... do the following to help us change the present... Like if you get back to 30K STOP THE HERESY! Save the Emperor. etc....

It is rare, but common enough that it happens.. so all it takes is one lucky accident to change everything. A protocol wouldn't hurt anybody.

Nope. Most imperial citizens know little to nothing about the Heresy other than something really bad happened. They're not told the truth.

And Time Travel is so ridiculously uncommon that the vast majority of people probably don't even know or care that its possible. besides, if the present is how it currently is then the past is set in stone. because if anyone did go back in time to change the future then the present wouldn't be the cluster feth it currently is.

I told you a protocol book. Meaning that when this gak happens... they can get the book out and read it what to do. Like a safety book in every ship. Also... who travels a lot and gone missing a lot... Space marines and IG ships.... lost in the warp... these are guys who can change the future.

Yes, the problem is that it occurs so rarely. As in, there is more chance that GW will realise how bad their business plan is. Besides, most people in the IG ships probably don't even understand the full extent of the Warp: why would they need to know about time travel? This is a universe where ignorance is bliss, where common sense and reason are forgotten. Plus, time travel rules dictate that if they did change something, they would be unable (or infinitely unlikely) to even go back in time in the first place to change the future, as illustrated previously.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Any time machine would use the warp most like.

So minus powerful warding, or Geller protection your basically warp chow in a fancy machine.
And warp is massively unpredictable your as likely to time travel as end up anywhere, get ripped to bits, somehow odds on living are not great.

Yeah... I know... the topic is about accident time travel. I am telling my idea is that Imperial should have a protocol set in place like a book ... if you travel to the past... do the following to help us change the present... Like if you get back to 30K STOP THE HERESY! Save the Emperor. etc....

It is rare, but common enough that it happens.. so all it takes is one lucky accident to change everything. A protocol wouldn't hurt anybody.

Nope. Most imperial citizens know little to nothing about the Heresy other than something really bad happened. They're not told the truth.

And Time Travel is so ridiculously uncommon that the vast majority of people probably don't even know or care that its possible. besides, if the present is how it currently is then the past is set in stone. because if anyone did go back in time to change the future then the present wouldn't be the cluster feth it currently is.

I told you a protocol book. Meaning that when this gak happens... they can get the book out and read it what to do. Like a safety book in every ship. Also... who travels a lot and gone missing a lot... Space marines and IG ships.... lost in the warp... these are guys who can change the future.

Yes, the problem is that it occurs so rarely. As in, there is more chance that GW will realise how bad their business plan is. Besides, most people in the IG ships probably don't even understand the full extent of the Warp: why would they need to know about time travel? This is a universe where ignorance is bliss, where common sense and reason are forgotten. Plus, time travel rules dictate that if they did change something, they would be unable (or infinitely unlikely) to even go back in time in the first place to change the future, as illustrated previously.

Didn't you mentioned or somebody mentioned that there was a Ordo Chronos..... if the damn think is as rare as unicorn ... what is the point of a Inquisition Ordo Chronos? A million planets and all the travel in betweens... there are lots of lost ships in the warp and lots of time traveling going on my friend All it takes is one lucky accident and boom goes the dynamite Emperor is alive again.

The point would be that all you have to do is prove it happened once and ungodly resources would be dedicated to research and control.

An Ordos is actually underselling the hell out of it.

 Shidank wrote:
The point would be that all you have to do is prove it happened once and ungodly resources would be dedicated to research and control.

An Ordos is actually underselling the hell out of it.

Why don't you guys go argue it out.

I got you telling me that Time travel can happen and Ordos is important.. and the other guy saying it is so rare that it is pointless to even have a protocol for time traveling.

I'm right in the middle man.... Time travel happens and Ordos don't want you to screw with it. I disagree with this Ordo and we should harness this power and tries to change things.

So I will dismiss claims that it happens so rare ... yes it is so rare just like plane crash on earth.. but there are so many planes flying that a few crashes per year is common... this is how I view time travel... a Million planets man... you know every freaking year... ships get lost and some end up travel in time. It is not an IF question, it is a When it will happen... If that craps happens to me and I'm a Space Marines.... I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

 j31c3n wrote:
I thought there was some piece of fluff recently that implied the Necrons did hold time-travel tech?

Yes. Orikan the Diviner has a way to time travel and semi-frequently uses it to make his "predictions" come true. I think its implied that he is the only who can fully time travel but given the advances in Necron tech and their tendencies to completely troll other factions with it, I wouldn't be surprised if they have things like time machines.

 david choe wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

Given that people break the law all the time in our world, isn't it foolish to presume that no one would look inside? It doesn't even need to be an Imperial pilot or authority who reads it either, it could be stolen or lost in transit when it was being made by scribes and misplaced amongst other general texts (not surprising with the sprawling bureaucracy that is the Administratum) which could lead to inadvertent dissemination of this forbidden knowledge.

 Grimskul wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

Given that people break the law all the time in our world, isn't it foolish to presume that no one would look inside? It doesn't even need to be an Imperial pilot or authority who reads it either, it could be stolen or lost in transit when it was being made by scribes and misplaced amongst other general texts (not surprising with the sprawling bureaucracy that is the Administratum) which could lead to inadvertent dissemination of this forbidden knowledge.

What knowledge is so important that nobody should read it? I mean... I was thinking something more like a quick history time line... like the date of Horus death, Emperor died, Terror invasion, etc.... Most of this stuff should be in the history books. The point of this protocol is to give date location and time of important events that has happened and good Imperial subjects should tries to prevent from happening or make sure it does ... depends on the context.

Poly Ranger wrote:
It is impossible.

Let us take the Space Wolf Battlecruiser mentioned earlier. Say events even pan out in the best possible way.
-Goes back in time to before Horus was corrupted.
-Warns Horus about Chaos and what will happen.
-Horus listens and is prevented from turning to chaos.
-Horus Heresy fails to happen.
-Space Wolves (who came back in times) timeline ceases to exist.
-Space Wolves in question cease to exist.
-Space Wolves unable to go back in time to warn Horus as they do no exist.
-Horus does not get the warning.
-It all plays out like it did.

Due to the butterfly effect, it is impossible to alter time without altering yourself/your decisions that influenced you to go back in time in the first place, thus preventing you going back in time to change that specific thing in the first place (you wouldn't still go back in time to stop something which never actually happened, thus by not going back to stop it, it actually happens).
It's why the movie Looper does not work when you think about it for more than a split second.

It seems to me that the Space Wolves would have created an alternate timeline, where Horus didn't rebel, while their timeline continued to exist, where Horus did rebel.

 david choe wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

Given that people break the law all the time in our world, isn't it foolish to presume that no one would look inside? It doesn't even need to be an Imperial pilot or authority who reads it either, it could be stolen or lost in transit when it was being made by scribes and misplaced amongst other general texts (not surprising with the sprawling bureaucracy that is the Administratum) which could lead to inadvertent dissemination of this forbidden knowledge.

What knowledge is so important that nobody should read it? I mean... I was thinking something more like a quick history time line... like the date of Horus death, Emperor died, Terror invasion, etc.... Most of this stuff should be in the history books. The point of this protocol is to give date location and time of important events that has happened and good Imperial subjects should tries to prevent from happening or make sure it does ... depends on the context.

We've already discussed why the details of the Horus Heresy were never revealed, never mind how much have been reduced to myths or the actual information lost after 10,000 years and why its not public knowledge. Also you haven't actually provided a rebuttal to my proposal. Simply saying that people should know what happened back then (without any argument besides possibly helping in the very rare chance they go back all the way to before the Heresy) doesn't change the fact that it can equally or be more likely used for worse things. What if a heretic/CSM who raided an Imperial ship got access to this knowledge? Then if they went back and they would deliberately try to ensure that things went well for the Traitors instead? You can't only have it one way, and that's why its simply better not to allow the possibility of the enemy using it, even if there's a miniscule chance that it may prove beneficial for the Imperium. The potential for bad things to occur outweighs the good.

 david choe wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
The point would be that all you have to do is prove it happened once and ungodly resources would be dedicated to research and control.

An Ordos is actually underselling the hell out of it.

Why don't you guys go argue it out.

I got you telling me that Time travel can happen and Ordos is important.. and the other guy saying it is so rare that it is pointless to even have a protocol for time traveling.

I'm right in the middle man.... Time travel happens and Ordos don't want you to screw with it. I disagree with this Ordo and we should harness this power and tries to change things.

So I will dismiss claims that it happens so rare ... yes it is so rare just like plane crash on earth.. but there are so many planes flying that a few crashes per year is common... this is how I view time travel... a Million planets man... you know every freaking year... ships get lost and some end up travel in time. It is not an IF question, it is a When it will happen... If that craps happens to me and I'm a Space Marines.... I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

In all fairness, you're not looking at this in a realistic light. In all honesty, if there is an Ordos, they ARE trying to control it. The sheer volume of data to be sifted through to find individual cases is incomprehensible given the scope of the Imperium.

Information on such rare phenomena would be very difficult to coordinate.

 david choe wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

The entire reason the Ordo Hereticus and Ordo Malleus exist is because people are dumb enough to open the door.

Thats why all those warning labels and signs you encounter in real life exist. Because somewhere, somehow, someone was stupid enough to do the thing its telling you not to do.

 Grimskul wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 david choe wrote:
I will open that box up "INCASE YOU GET LOST IN TIME" and read the hell out of it.

And then someone else will read it without getting lost in time, access forbidden information, and now you've got another chaos problem to deal with.

Do you open the door on airplane? Same thing. We think that some idiot would open the plane door... but you know that is a no no... so nobody would.

The Box is also locked in the Pilot room or something with warning. I mean... I would be tempted to open... but with warning of execution if open and so on... I think people in the Imperial will have other things to deal with.

Given that people break the law all the time in our world, isn't it foolish to presume that no one would look inside? It doesn't even need to be an Imperial pilot or authority who reads it either, it could be stolen or lost in transit when it was being made by scribes and misplaced amongst other general texts (not surprising with the sprawling bureaucracy that is the Administratum) which could lead to inadvertent dissemination of this forbidden knowledge.

What knowledge is so important that nobody should read it? I mean... I was thinking something more like a quick history time line... like the date of Horus death, Emperor died, Terror invasion, etc.... Most of this stuff should be in the history books. The point of this protocol is to give date location and time of important events that has happened and good Imperial subjects should tries to prevent from happening or make sure it does ... depends on the context.

We've already discussed why the details of the Horus Heresy were never revealed, never mind how much have been reduced to myths or the actual information lost after 10,000 years and why its not public knowledge. Also you haven't actually provided a rebuttal to my proposal. Simply saying that people should know what happened back then (without any argument besides possibly helping in the very rare chance they go back all the way to before the Heresy) doesn't change the fact that it can equally or be more likely used for worse things. What if a heretic/CSM who raided an Imperial ship got access to this knowledge? Then if they went back and they would deliberately try to ensure that things went well for the Traitors instead? You can't only have it one way, and that's why its simply better not to allow the possibility of the enemy using it, even if there's a miniscule chance that it may prove beneficial for the Imperium. The potential for bad things to occur outweighs the good.

Ok, I guess I am a bit confuse here. I did not know the imperial do not have history book or they lie about the history. Is that what you are saying?

While i wait for your answer....

Here is my out line of the protocol time travel package.
Each box will contain history of imperial in general and also local package history of the sector they are traveling...so no....not all one million planets of history. So if you are in sector a and going to sector y, you will have 3 boxes. General, a, and y.
I don't see why history is so damn secret ....I could be wrong. Like in real life...America history book is public knowledge....our enemy can read it and it won't matter.

This is the future...it could be books format and cd type video also. Each package should not be larger than a suitcase.

What it is is really a history lesson and it is not public knowledge?

Let's be real. This is Warhammer 40k.

If you open the box, it WILL contain the Life-Eater virus.

Its because Chaos is kept secret. Chaos is so evil and perverting that even knowing it exists can cause you to fall. What you don't know about really can't hurt you, not as much as if you knew about it anyway.

The Imperium can't tell the truth about its history to its subjects, or at least not the whole truth. Especially about the Heresy.

The spread of information is tightly controlled in the Imperium. The Heresy itself is so far in the past of the current era of the Imperium that it has taken on the status of myths.

To put it in perspective, we, the people of the early 21st century (M3), know next to nothing about the particulars of events that happened in 8000 BC. We have a few fragmented bits of pottery, some ruins, and best-guesses at translations of recovered records. We can take some decent guesses at the names of kings and some ancient kingdoms in certain areas of the world, but, by and large, we know next to nothing of the world in 8000 to 7000 BC.

That was 10,000 years ago, the same amount of time between the Heresy and M41.

Earth, however, IRL, did not suffer galaxy-wide, titanic war that saw billions slain, entire worlds burned to cinders, the total annihilation of all the repositories of human knowledge, coupled with an invasion by extra-dimensional beings made of Murder and Rape.

The Heresy, to the average citizen of the modern Imperium, is a tale similar to one that you might hear in Sunday school IRL. It's the tale of a God who is betrayed by some of his sons, and goes to war with them with his favored loyal sons. The fight between the Emperor and Horus has taken on the vibe and theme of the Fall of Lucifer, as told in the Bible.

There's a handful of people in the Imperium who might remember some of the details of the actual events, people like Bjorn the Fell-Handed, but whether their memories are intact over such a long time, or whether they ever even knew anything really worth saving is a matter of question. Bjorn was a young guy at the time, and just a cup-bearer for Russ. He can tell stories of what the Space Wolves did during that time, but was not, himself, party to most of the major events involving the Emperor. He's also over 10,000 years old and interred in a dreadnought, so his mind ain't what it used to be.

 Psienesis wrote:
The spread of information is tightly controlled in the Imperium. The Heresy itself is so far in the past of the current era of the Imperium that it has taken on the status of myths.

To put it in perspective, we, the people of the early 21st century (M3), know next to nothing about the particulars of events that happened in 8000 BC. We have a few fragmented bits of pottery, some ruins, and best-guesses at translations of recovered records. We can take some decent guesses at the names of kings and some ancient kingdoms in certain areas of the world, but, by and large, we know next to nothing of the world in 8000 to 7000 BC.

That was 10,000 years ago, the same amount of time between the Heresy and M41.

Earth, however, IRL, did not suffer galaxy-wide, titanic war that saw billions slain, entire worlds burned to cinders, the total annihilation of all the repositories of human knowledge, coupled with an invasion by extra-dimensional beings made of Murder and Rape.

The Heresy, to the average citizen of the modern Imperium, is a tale similar to one that you might hear in Sunday school IRL. It's the tale of a God who is betrayed by some of his sons, and goes to war with them with his favored loyal sons. The fight between the Emperor and Horus has taken on the vibe and theme of the Fall of Lucifer, as told in the Bible.

There's a handful of people in the Imperium who might remember some of the details of the actual events, people like Bjorn the Fell-Handed, but whether their memories are intact over such a long time, or whether they ever even knew anything really worth saving is a matter of question. Bjorn was a young guy at the time, and just a cup-bearer for Russ. He can tell stories of what the Space Wolves did during that time, but was not, himself, party to most of the major events involving the Emperor. He's also over 10,000 years old and interred in a dreadnought, so his mind ain't what it used to be.

Oh that...yeah I know about the chaos secret ...

But like you said...they know Horus was a traitor and who the bad guys were...will the general back age will have that. No chaos need mentioning. So it is like a bible....i don't remember much of the bible...but if I go back to bible days and know what period I am...and there are guide package...I might be able to save jesus or help Noah buld the boat.

So if one pop in30k...the history lesson is about the heresy...not a big deal. Warn of the traitor Horus. Give the package to the imperial with the future prediction in it for the next 10,000 years.

And if you said our enemies can get it too...what makes you think chaos (the gods of time traveling themself) have not give their subjects the history books that will tell them of the future?

If anything ...the package is the imperial equalization to this issue...

Because this protocol is set in place...Imperial might even get sombody from 43k coming to 40k and give them the package so they know what the history of the next 2000 will be. This right here is a great story or battle for the suitcase lol.

People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

A few things:

The Ordos Chronos all dissappeared at some point down the line. EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ONE OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, IIRC (given that they were all individuals operating at different places on different matters of time travel, that's no mean feat. It's possible they accidentally retconned themselves out of existance for something like THAT to happen). Oops.


Also, the Emperor already knew the Heresy would happen somewhat early on and that he would die (evidence is he possibly knew even before Magnus gave him that warning). In order to change the past by warning him, you'd probably have to do so at some point before Magnus broke the webway. If Magnus couldn't convince him, what evidence could you (as a hypothetical extremely knowledgeable inquisitor or scholar or whatever) possibly have at that point that could convince him? Hell, what you know of the Heresy is likely clouded by ten thousand years of myths and fabrications and decay, so what you know of the heresy and your ideas for preventing it might be completely out of touch with what actually happened.

Heck, it's possible Emps WANTED the heresy to happen. Good luck changing the past if that's the case.

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth. Or ignore and keep the package and look at other events like necron awaken or the nids is coming in 10,000 years...there are lots and lots of useful information.

Just imagen what george Washington can do or for the U.S. govt. of 1700s can do if they have a high school history book from 2015..Hitler, 911, JFK, MLK, US civil war, etc...

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth

Can he? You'd think he would have read Horus's or Magnus' minds in that case. The latter wasn't exactly shielding himself.

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth. Or ignore and keep the package and look at other events like necron awaken or the nids is coming in 10,000 years...there are lots and lots of useful information.

Just imagen what george Washington can do or for the U.S. govt. of 1700s can do if they have a high school history book from 2015..Hitler, 911, JFK, MLK, US civil war, etc...

He could read the minds of people who were trying to warn him back then. If he didn't listen to them why would he listen to somebody from the future?

TiamatRoar wrote:
A few things:

The Ordos Chronos all dissappeared at some point down the line. EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ONE OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, IIRC (given that they were all individuals operating at different places on different matters of time travel, that's no mean feat. It's possible they accidentally retconned themselves out of existance for something like THAT to happen). Oops.


Also, the Emperor already knew the Heresy would happen somewhat early on and that he would die (evidence is he possibly knew even before Magnus gave him that warning). In order to change the past by warning him, you'd probably have to do so at some point before Magnus broke the webway. If Magnus couldn't convince him, what evidence could you (as a hypothetical extremely knowledgeable inquisitor or scholar or whatever) possibly have at that point that could convince him? Hell, what you know of the Heresy is likely clouded by ten thousand years of myths and fabrications and decay, so what you know of the heresy and your ideas for preventing it might be completely out of touch with what actually happened.

Heck, it's possible Emps WANTED the heresy to happen. Good luck changing the past if that's the case.

Yeah, that is funny about the Ordos ....I think the high lords killed them off because they had too much power.

There's some differing versions of that (helped not in the least by the writing of the HH novels).

On the one hand, we have a version that states the Emperor believed that Horus was redeemable up to the point where Horus kills Ollanius Pius (who was, in this version of the tale, just a regular Guardsman, not a Perpetual), and it is witnessing this death that makes the Emperor realize that Horus is too far gone.

On another hand, we have a version that states the Emperor had, up to this point, been directing the Crusade based on his divinatory and prophetic powers, powers which all of a sudden stopped working. So he suddenly had no idea what was going on. This kind of puts the rest of the Loyalist forces in disarray, now having to rely on the Primarchs in the field, rather than orders from Terra. Fortunately, most of the Loyalist Primarchs are suitably competent. However, denied his insights, the Emperor has no fething clue what's going on with Horus, up until the point that Horus' is above Terra and blasting the hell out of the planet. The shields drop, the Emp sees a chance, and goes for it. The rest, as they say, is history.

And we have yet another version that states that everything about the Heresy happened exactly as the Emperor planned it, because it resulted in his ascension to the Golden Throne, which allowed him to fully manifest in the Warp as a sort of God of Order, sustained by the veneration of uncounted trillions of humans and the daily sacrifice of psykers.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth. Or ignore and keep the package and look at other events like necron awaken or the nids is coming in 10,000 years...there are lots and lots of useful information.

Just imagen what george Washington can do or for the U.S. govt. of 1700s can do if they have a high school history book from 2015..Hitler, 911, JFK, MLK, US civil war, etc...

He could read the minds of people who were trying to warn him back then. If he didn't listen to them why would he listen to somebody from the future?

Don't focus so much on E and the heresy...focus on my package....if the imperial were not sure if this is the truth...after a few event went just like the prediction...you don't think they will start using the package?

 david choe wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth. Or ignore and keep the package and look at other events like necron awaken or the nids is coming in 10,000 years...there are lots and lots of useful information.

Just imagen what george Washington can do or for the U.S. govt. of 1700s can do if they have a high school history book from 2015..Hitler, 911, JFK, MLK, US civil war, etc...

He could read the minds of people who were trying to warn him back then. If he didn't listen to them why would he listen to somebody from the future?

Don't focus so much on E and the heresy...focus on my package....if the imperial were not sure if this is the truth...after a few event went just like the prediction...you don't think they will start using the package?

Your package is a terrible idea. More people will open it and abuse the knowledge than any good which might occur as a result of it.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
People tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He ignored them.

Not from the future....E can read their minds and know that this is the truth. Or ignore and keep the package and look at other events like necron awaken or the nids is coming in 10,000 years...there are lots and lots of useful information.

Just imagen what george Washington can do or for the U.S. govt. of 1700s can do if they have a high school history book from 2015..Hitler, 911, JFK, MLK, US civil war, etc...

He could read the minds of people who were trying to warn him back then. If he didn't listen to them why would he listen to somebody from the future?

Don't focus so much on E and the heresy...focus on my package....if the imperial were not sure if this is the truth...after a few event went just like the prediction...you don't think they will start using the package?

Your package is a terrible idea. More people will open it and abuse the knowledge than any good which might occur as a result of it.

What people is opening it? It is a history lesson. If you are at the present of now40k it is useless to you. Lol think about it.

If you go back to 35k and give the package to Imperial...then, they will know the future of the next 5000 years...like ork invasion, nids coming, etc...