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I can't recall which, but wasn't one of the IA Forgeworld books about a craftworld? It seemed like it was stuck in realspace and the eldar reacted accordingly.

Movie Eldar rules:
Roll a d6 before deploying:
6: Another player deploys instead. Eldar win.
2-5: Eldar lose. Deploy as normal. Reroll successful saves
1: Same as 2-5, but add two players on the other team.

Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

Solitaires hunt Greater Daemons and kill them. For sport. The Solitaire aid Eldar expeditions into the Eye of Terror to claim Tears of Isha and fight off hordes of daemonettes that assault them upon setting foot on the planet. The Solitaire our outright immune to psykers and are ludicrously fast, able to dodge Keepers of Secrets without receiving even a scratch.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

Solitaires hunt Greater Daemons and kill them. For sport. The Solitaire aid Eldar expeditions into the Eye of Terror to claim Tears of Isha and fight off hordes of daemonettes that assault them upon setting foot on the planet. The Solitaire our outright immune to psykers and are ludicrously fast, able to dodge Keepers of Secrets without receiving even a scratch.

They are no longer immune to psykers but they do have that Blitz power and in fluff are described as running up sheer walls and seemingly altering the flow of time. It is no coincidence that their WS and I are identical to a Keeper of Secrets, and it seems there is some sort of mystical link to Slaanesh directly. This accounts for why a Solitaire beat even the Masque of Slaanesh at playing the part of Slaanesh in a symbolic dance off, and why a deliberate suicide by a Solitaire at the hands of Skulltaker in the Harlequin Codex resulted in the banishment of a horde of Slaanesh daemons.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

Size isn't the only indicator of fighting ability...

Even if it was true...

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar. Correct. A Guardian, even with a power sword, stands no chance.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds. This is wrong on the Banshee front. Marines have enhanced senses, meaning enhanced hearing. The Howl of the Banshee would incapacitate even a Berserker, making him easy prey. Marine killing is what Banshees, and Incubi, do.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing Newsflash. In Marine fluff they murder almost everything like nothing. How many Avatars have Marines killed again?. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage Until the Incubi or dedicated Marine killers step out . What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight. As mentioned, Solitaires fight Keepers of Secrets regularly, and win. That is a greater feat then most Chaos Lords can claim, i don't care how tall you are, if the Solitaire sticks a Harlequin Kiss into your Eye Lense no amount of armour will save you.

Does that help clear it up? Marines would win against none MEQ specific killers, but straight up lose against Eldar dedicated to such.

Back to my original qualm, it just seems that the table-top rules for certain units don't reflect their fluff in the slightest. Wyches are elite close combat specialists that face off against *unarmoured* Marines in the area with nothing but Knives. In game they have 2 Str 3 attacks at Ws 4. Howling Banshees are so acrobatic but can't charge out of a cruising grav vehicle a few feet off the ground. At least Harlequins feel right in terms of close combat potential, although i think they need a Wychesque Dodge Save in close combat.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar. Correct. A Guardian, even with a power sword, stands no chance.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds. This is wrong on the Banshee front. Marines have enhanced senses, meaning enhanced hearing. The Howl of the Banshee would incapacitate even a Berserker, making him easy prey. Marine killing is what Banshees, and Incubi, do.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing Newsflash. In Marine fluff they murder almost everything like nothing. How many Avatars have Marines killed again?. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage Until the Incubi or dedicated Marine killers step out . What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight. As mentioned, Solitaires fight Keepers of Secrets regularly, and win. That is a greater feat then most Chaos Lords can claim, i don't care how tall you are, if the Solitaire sticks a Harlequin Kiss into your Eye Lense no amount of armour will save you.

Does that help clear it up? Marines would win against none MEQ specific killers, but straight up lose against Eldar dedicated to such.

Back to my original qualm, it just seems that the table-top rules for certain units don't reflect their fluff in the slightest. Wyches are elite close combat specialists that face off against *unarmoured* Marines in the area with nothing but Knives. In game they have 2 Str 3 attacks at Ws 4. Howling Banshees are so acrobatic but can't charge out of a cruising grav vehicle a few feet off the ground. At least Harlequins feel right in terms of close combat potential, although i think they need a Wychesque Dodge Save in close combat.

I cannot ever recall Astartes being affected by a Banshee scream- were it true their ears were so sensitive, gunfire would render them deaf (as gunfire is far louder then pretty much anything besides a bigger explosion). They're finely tuned enough to hear the heartbeat of a man from tens of meters away, but are also able to filter out sound.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

DoWII opening. Story starring Space Marines. Marine gets in a fight with a Banshee, he gets demolished. The Banshees are chasing some running Space Marines when they get ambushed by a Dreadnaught and lose.

I don't know where you're getting your data from. The only time I've seen anything but a Dreadnaught curbstomp any Eldar under any circumstances is in Marine fluff.

Astartes are effected by sonic weaponry more so then other, unaugmented humans. This is proven by the Tyranid Harpy, who's fluff states that it screeches as it charges into combat and that while i leaves humans with bleeding ears it will paralyse or outright kill a Marine. (Source: The previous Tyranid Codex)

You'd imagine that the Banshees work to a very similar effect.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Astartes are effected by sonic weaponry more so then other, unaugmented humans. This is proven by the Tyranid Harpy, who's fluff states that it screeches as it charges into combat and that while i leaves humans with bleeding ears it will paralyse or outright kill a Marine. (Source: The previous Tyranid Codex)

You'd imagine that the Banshees work to a very similar effect.

we have the technology to produce ear protection now that filters out only noise that would harm your ears and allow you to otherwise operate normally. I think it's a safe bet that Marines have this too

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

DoWII opening. Story starring Space Marines. Marine gets in a fight with a Banshee, he gets demolished. The Banshees are chasing some running Space Marines when they get ambushed by a Dreadnaught and lose.

I don't know where you're getting your data from. The only time I've seen anything but a Dreadnaught curbstomp any Eldar under any circumstances is in Marine fluff.

Uh, that's just a game cinematic. One we don't even know if it happened or it was just a pretty opening.


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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Astartes are effected by sonic weaponry more so then other, unaugmented humans. This is proven by the Tyranid Harpy, who's fluff states that it screeches as it charges into combat and that while i leaves humans with bleeding ears it will paralyse or outright kill a Marine. (Source: The previous Tyranid Codex)

You'd imagine that the Banshees work to a very similar effect.

...And yet they aren't affected by the sounds of their guns. So that's bs and has nothing to support it.

It is not bs. I cited the source. I will quote it for you. Source, page 43 of the Tyranid previous codex. If this has been ret-conned out, then so be it, as i don't have the new codex i can't say. If it hasn't then this shows Marines are vulnerable to sonic weaponry, something that Howling Banshees employ en-masse.

As a Harpy dives it emits and ear-splitting shriek, such is the pitch and ferocity of this piercing noise that it is a formidiable weapon. It is excruciatingly painful to lesser life forms, such as Orks or Humans, and can even prove fatal to creatures with more highly developed senses such as eldar or genetically enhanced space marines. Thos that survived are left dizzied and disoriented, easy prey for the Harpy's other weapons.

In addition to this, the Howling Banshee fluff states that the shriek is Psychosonic, which seems to imply some form of psyker trickery which could circumvent simple sound filters. It also states it inflicts severe damage to the nervous system and causes momentary paralysis. Paralyzed Astartes vs trained Eldar with a Power Weapon isn't exactly a fair fight.

Also if SM ears were able to filter out sounds and stuff, Sonic weapons would be useless against them, yet the Emperors Children have been using them against marines since the Heresy.

The Banshee scream is canonically a psychic effect:

Note that the Eldar Howling Banshee mask affects Daemons normally, as it is actually a psychic attack rather than one that affects the victim''s hearing. The Flesh Hounds'' Collar of Khorne renders them immune to the effects of the Banshee Mask.

-p.67, 2nd edition Chaos Codex

 Wyzilla wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

DoWII opening. Story starring Space Marines. Marine gets in a fight with a Banshee, he gets demolished. The Banshees are chasing some running Space Marines when they get ambushed by a Dreadnaught and lose.

I don't know where you're getting your data from. The only time I've seen anything but a Dreadnaught curbstomp any Eldar under any circumstances is in Marine fluff.

Uh, that's just a game cinematic. One we don't even know if it happened or it was just a pretty opening.

At that point I can claim that about anything that's ever written about the 40k setting.


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Did Calgar ever really fight an Avatar or was it just an Exarch and then he told the Ultramarines it was an Autarch and they told the Guardsmen it was a Phoenix Lord and they told the civilians who told the Codex writers it was an Avatar?

The 40k universe is built on subjective truth. If you start rejecting things because it might just have been a pretty video how am I to accept that anything 'really happened' in-setting? It might just be a pretty story stuck in the Codex to make that model sound cooler.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
It is not bs. I cited the source. I will quote it for you. Source, page 43 of the Tyranid previous codex. If this has been ret-conned out, then so be it, as i don't have the new codex i can't say. If it hasn't then this shows Marines are vulnerable to sonic weaponry, something that Howling Banshees employ en-masse.

As a Harpy dives it emits and ear-splitting shriek, such is the pitch and ferocity of this piercing noise that it is a formidiable weapon. It is excruciatingly painful to lesser life forms, such as Orks or Humans, and can even prove fatal to creatures with more highly developed senses such as eldar or genetically enhanced space marines. Thos that survived are left dizzied and disoriented, easy prey for the Harpy's other weapons.

In addition to this, the Howling Banshee fluff states that the shriek is Psychosonic, which seems to imply some form of psyker trickery which could circumvent simple sound filters. It also states it inflicts severe damage to the nervous system and causes momentary paralysis. Paralyzed Astartes vs trained Eldar with a Power Weapon isn't exactly a fair fight.

Which is of itself, bs, because were it true, Marines should fall over and have a seizure every time they fire their guns due to firearms being far louder then organic life. Have you actually ever used or fired a gun?


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 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Okay no I'm gonna shed some light on this.
If you put a normal marine warrior and a normal eldar warrior with a power sword, the marine will whip the Eldar.
If you put a Khorne Berzerker against a Striking Scorpion/ Howiling Banshee the Berzerker will murder the Eldar in 3 seconds.
Think about it: In marine fluff marines murder Eldar like nothing. In Eldar fluff it's more of an even fight with Marines having a little bit of an advantage. What happens when you average these together?
Solitaires killing Chaos lords? Da Fuq? These are dudes pumped full of chaos juice far larger than normal marines Khorne chaos lords are like 12ft tall. There's alot more to it than just evil chapter master. They have none of the cards in that fight.

DoWII opening. Story starring Space Marines. Marine gets in a fight with a Banshee, he gets demolished. The Banshees are chasing some running Space Marines when they get ambushed by a Dreadnaught and lose.

I don't know where you're getting your data from. The only time I've seen anything but a Dreadnaught curbstomp any Eldar under any circumstances is in Marine fluff.

Uh, that's just a game cinematic. One we don't even know if it happened or it was just a pretty opening.

At that point I can claim that about anything that's ever written about the 40k setting


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Did Calgar ever really fight an Avatar or was it just an Exarch and then he told the Ultramarines it was an Autarch and they told the Guardsmen it was a Phoenix Lord and they told the civilians who told the Codex writers it was an Avatar?

The 40k universe is built on subjective truth. If you start rejecting things because it might just have been a pretty video how am I to accept that anything 'really happened' in-setting? It might just be a pretty story stuck in the Codex to make that model sound cooler.

It's the opening cinematic of a game/trailer for a game that we have no way of knowing is "ture", no different then the artwork in a Codex. There's no date. There's no description of the event. We don't know a damn about anyone involved. Plus we don't even know if it's canon. Because it's promotional material.

And no, this isn't about something subjective. This is "we don't even know if this canon". We know when Calgar punched in the Avatar, it's bloody dated. We don't know anything about the DOW intro scene, if it even happened. There's no discussion about it, no mention of how an entire Strike Force along with a Dreadnought went missing. Plus IIRC it was also used as a trailer, which calls into question its validity, no different then the cinematic trailers for Halo, which often depict events we haven't a damn clue of what they even are.

Plus the loss of a Strike Force would almost certainly be addressed, unless the Blood Ravens are so horribly incompetent that they don't even note losing two squads or more in a single skirmish.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also if SM ears were able to filter out sounds and stuff, Sonic weapons would be useless against them, yet the Emperors Children have been using them against marines since the Heresy.

Being deaf wouldn't save you from sonic weaponry. It has nothing to do with the sound, but with the pressure waves. Whether or not the Marines' autosenses filtered the noise, they'd still be getting hit by the sound waves themselves.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also if SM ears were able to filter out sounds and stuff, Sonic weapons would be useless against them, yet the Emperors Children have been using them against marines since the Heresy.

Being deaf wouldn't save you from sonic weaponry. It has nothing to do with the sound, but with the pressure waves. Whether or not the Marines' autosenses filtered the noise, they'd still be getting hit by the sound waves themselves.

This. As I said the technology to filter sounds so that you can hear most things, but aren't deafened by loud sounds exists now, not only does it exist now, but it's not super duper high tech eaither. the techs on the civilian market,

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also if SM ears were able to filter out sounds and stuff, Sonic weapons would be useless against them, yet the Emperors Children have been using them against marines since the Heresy.

Uh...

Sonic weapons exist because the pressure waves literally shake things apart. This is why they're able to tear tanks apart- they shake the structure to pieces. Or in organic targets, cause all of your organs to pop like balloons.

But, considering Astartes can fire bolters, wade through gunfire, or even use their own version of the banshee scream (it isn't unique to Banshees, Astartes have Vox Casters that do the exact same thing), constantly, throughout the black library and codices, it's far more like that one note in the Tyranid codex is bs because the Author doesn't even comprehend the implications of that sentence. But seeing how helmet-less Astartes like Space Wolves or cocky Sergeants do not fall on their face and die whenever somebody makes a supersonic boom, they clearly are not vulnerable to such attacks.

Or hypersonic for that matter, as some bolts fire with absurd velocities. Anyway, the very fact that Astartes can shoot guns without a helmet chucks the idea that they could be killed with a sonic scream into the waste-bin.

I am confused, i have found fluff that states Space Marines are vulnerable to sonic attacks, i provided a source and shown how it is related to the Howling Banshee example.

You call my source bull with no backing other then 'what-makes-sense'. In most cases that would be a valid answer, but in 40K so any things don't makes sense (Chainswords being at all effective in weapons, what the design team think a monomolecular edge is, Tyranids using weapons that look like guns) that the only way we could possibly have a fluff discussion is to believe what GW tells us to. GW states Marines are vulnerable to sonic weaponry, so that's what we believe. Howling Banshees use pychosonic weaponry to amplify their voice (much more high Tech then the Space Marine version), so they are effective against Marines unless you can provide a source disputing it.

Alex

**Edit** I haven't, but has anyone read Void Stalker, the third installment of the Night Lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden? I think that's the one were they fight against Jain Zar, the Howling Banshee P.L. I am sure that she would of used her Banshee Scream during the fight so could anyone please find the relevant part and quote it for us?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I am confused, i have found fluff that states Space Marines are vulnerable to sonic attacks, i provided a source and shown how it is related to the Howling Banshee example.

You call my source bull with no backing other then 'what-makes-sense'. In most cases that would be a valid answer, but in 40K so any things don't makes sense (Chainswords being at all effective in weapons, what the design team think a monomolecular edge is, Tyranids using weapons that look like guns) that the only way we could possibly have a fluff discussion is to believe what GW tells us to. GW states Marines are vulnerable to sonic weaponry, so that's what we believe. Howling Banshees use pychosonic weaponry to amplify their voice (much more high Tech then the Space Marine version), so they are effective against Marines unless you can provide a source disputing it.

Alex

**Edit** I haven't, but has anyone read Void Stalker, the third installment of the Night Lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden? I think that's the one were they fight against Jain Zar, the Howling Banshee P.L. I am sure that she would of used her Banshee Scream during the fight so could anyone please find the relevant part and quote it for us?

You found one quote that conflicts with literally every time Astartes have ever picked up a firearm and used it. Gunshots are just as loud as a sonic scream, if not greater depending on the powder used the velocity of the rounds. However considering that Astartes use .75 Caliber Assault Rifles loaded with two-stage ammunition initially launched by a charge of gunpowder contained in a brass cap before a gyrojet rocket activates later, it's going to be a pretty fething loud BANG, especially when bolts can range from supersonic to hypersonic.

I ask again, have you actually ever fired a gun or go shooting? Because I think you're seriously underestimating or ignorant of how loud gunshots are. That quote you posted doesn't make a lick of sense because the author didn't think about the ramifications, that conflict with every single battle an Astartes has been engaged in. I didn't say you needed to get evidence, I said it was completely bs because it contradicts that Astartes are even bloody able to use firearms in the first place. Banshee screams might as well be sonic weapons that shake targets to pieces like a Noise Marine's Sonic Blaster given how loud they would have to be to compete with the weapons used in the Forty First Millennium.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also if SM ears were able to filter out sounds and stuff, Sonic weapons would be useless against them, yet the Emperors Children have been using them against marines since the Heresy.

Being deaf wouldn't save you from sonic weaponry. It has nothing to do with the sound, but with the pressure waves. Whether or not the Marines' autosenses filtered the noise, they'd still be getting hit by the sound waves themselves.

Actually, in Angel Exterminatus, there's a deaf marine who isn't affected by sonic weapons...

However that's clearly BS seeing how sonic weapons work (which I hadn't realised/thought about it being the actual waves, thanks. You explained it in a much less condescending way than Wyzilla too, which is appreciated).

I have never fired a gun, i doubt the majority of people have. It also doesn't seem like a good approximation of the weapons that Astates use (Have you used a Grenade Launcher? It's something like that.

I can't say i am up to date on the specifics of it, but maybe it's the frequency rather then the intensity of the sound? If guns are so loud, how come Guardsmen can fire what I'd imagine to be loud guns such as Auto-Cannons and Heavy Bolters? It's also entirely possible that the attack is partially Psychic, making it effective against Marines if they have these filters or not. Fluff has consistently shown that the Banshee Scream will paralyze Marines when used, so we must assume that they have a way to circumvent those Filters. We should, shall we say, Forge a Narrative.

Also, there is a definitive answer out there in the Void Stalker book. As soon as someone who owns the book takes a look for us, we will have our answer.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I have never fired a gun, i doubt the majority of people have. It also doesn't seem like a good approximation of the weapons that Astates use (Have you used a Grenade Launcher? It's something like that).

I can't say i am up to date on the specifics of it, but maybe it's the frequency rather then the intensity of the sound? If guns are so loud, how come Guardsmen can fire what I'd imagine to be loud guns such as Auto-Cannons and Heavy Bolters? It's also entirely possible that the attack is partially Psychic, making it effective against Marines if they have these filters or not. Fluff has consistently shown that the Banshee Scream will paralyze Marines when used, so we must assume that they have a way to circumvent those Filters. We should, shall we say, Forge a Narrative.

Seriously, are people even taking the time to read other people's posts?

I already gave quoted GW proof that the Banshee scream is psychic:

Note that the Eldar Howling Banshee mask affects Daemons normally, as it is actually a psychic attack rather than one that affects the victim''s hearing. The Flesh Hounds'' Collar of Khorne renders them immune to the effects of the Banshee Mask.

-p.67, 2nd edition Chaos Codex

I did see your post and appreciate that it must of been a b*tch to find, i was just looking through my own books for something a little more recent. Not that an old source is an invalid source, i just felt that if the backbone of my argument was a 10 year old source that i haven't myself read, i couldn't back it up myself.

Everytime Iyanden was hit by a large enemy force it was because they moved to intercept them and goofed. They where reckless.

 Wyzilla wrote:
You found one quote that conflicts with literally every time Astartes have ever picked up a firearm and used it. Gunshots are just as loud as a sonic scream, if not greater depending on the powder used the velocity of the rounds.

And you can provide a source that backs up the underlined?

We have no idea how loud a Harpies sonic scream is, nor what the frequency of it is. For all we know, it is more destructive than the firing of boltguns, because source material tells us so, and nothing contradicts it.

 Wyzilla wrote:


I ask again, have you actually ever fired a gun or go shooting? Because I think you're seriously underestimating or ignorant of how loud gunshots are. That quote you posted doesn't make a lick of sense because the author didn't think about the ramifications, that conflict with every single battle an Astartes has been engaged in. I didn't say you needed to get evidence, I said it was completely bs because it contradicts that Astartes are even bloody able to use firearms in the first place. Banshee screams might as well be sonic weapons that shake targets to pieces like a Noise Marine's Sonic Blaster given how loud they would have to be to compete with the weapons used in the Forty First Millennium.

You must know that this is a bit silly right? I mean... I gave up with the idea of numbers and scale in 40K. Somebody mentioned that Nurgle created all the plagues in the UNIVERSE and I called out writer BS or stupid… but that is the way it is.

If it is in print, you don’t get to think.

So if SM have super hearing…. then Harpy sonic screech will hurt them more, because GW stated so.


What about noise marines… they love sounds and get excited with this… they should get frenzy rules if Banshee scream or Harpy sonic attacked them… gak… if other sonic weapons fired at them.. they should be happy too.