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 koooaei wrote:
Some sort of csm combat squads, eh?

Anywayz, you've missed another important part of the game. Missions. Flyrants are killy and stuff but they need to land to cap objectives.

And technically, he had a bound army

15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore

15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore

See, 6 troop choices. No unbound at all.

It's also hilarious how you accused him of cheating and bringing an unfair unbound army whereas his army's battleforged and your's illegal (>1850 pts) AND unbound.
Yep, the nid's army is very competitive - tournament level competitive. Spamming the best model in the codex.

the mission was malestorm and I hate those missions because their just hard to play in genenral

This thread is top kek. Would laugh at again.

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 sniperray213 wrote:
I could have split the 10 man csm into 2 5 man squads. im not faking dumb

Having 2 squads of 5 would cost 10 points more, but that's okay as you would have to drop the missile launcher.

Lamesauce was lame.

Editing to add validity beyond pointing out the lamesauce

Did you let your opponent know you were trying to bring competitive? If so welcome to the current Meta (for the most part) of competitive 40K
If not, then you suck for being TFG also surprise your opponent was TFG too....is this what happens when two TFGs try to sneak a competitive army into a game? A black hole of whining and rage?

Your army was very close to CAD but was unbound
His army was very close to CAD but was unbound

His units > yours but it was legal. So instead of lashing out at the community who is trying to help,
SO! sit back, relax and act just a little cool and the rest of these players could take you to school

Look dude, the Dakka community is here to help, not to complain to. As others have stated the list you played against isn't "illegal" it's just mean.You also stated that your list was meant to play competitively. It's not competitive. I'm not a fan of unbound either, but you can't say it's illegal unless you're playing a tournament that doesn't allow it or you had some sort of agreement before you played the game. You also didn't have to play at all if it makes you that angry to lose to a cheese build. Besides that, 5 Flyrants has become an extremely popular build for Tyranids. If you wanna be competitive, you had better learn how to deal with it. I love CSM and Daemons and would be happy to help you with list building and tactics IF you were to respond in a manner that was remotely productive.

Also, I am a smoker, and enjoy smoking cigarettes (crucify me), so being called a cigarette over the internet is not remotely offensive to me.

There are so many fallacies with your post sniperray

- Unbound is completely legal
- Your list was not a battle-forged list (1k Sons weren't troops because unmarked Sorcerer. You still ran the CSM as 10x so saying you could have broken them into 2x5 is not a valid excuse)
- You claim to be running a competitive list when it is clearly not.
- If you were actually trying to be competitive then you wouldn't actually care about fighting a tough list that is actually competitive
- You played against the nid list despite thinking it was illegal
- You didn't tell you opponent that you thought his list was illegal which would have gotten the problem sorted out

Honestly I'm pretty sure you're trolling because this is too stupid to be true.

 sniperray213 wrote:

don't fakin tell me to look at my codex dude. and besides I could have split the 10 man csm into 2 5 man squads. im not faking dumb

No. No you certainly are not faking dumb. No faking involved in the slightest.

Since others have pointed out the lack of combat squads in CSM and the fact that a 5 man CSM squad can't take a heavy weapon, I'll simply ask if you would like us to help you build a competative list with the models you have here as I see you haven't posted in the army lists forum?

I do want to point out that taking an "UNBOUND ARMY" does not make you that guy, in fact in some cases it helps some of the weaker armies like Orks and Tyranids have a chance against some of the top tier books. Not saying that you cant do silly things with Unbound but from looking at the Tyranid players list was strong but not invincible. And seriously, you have NO right to complain if you took Belakor.

nareik wrote:

 sniperray213 wrote:
I could have split the 10 man csm into 2 5 man squads. im not faking dumb

Having 2 squads of 5 would cost 10 points more, but that's okay as you would have to drop the missile launcher.

Hah! sniperarayNOT21 is a cheater.


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 sniperray213 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Some sort of csm combat squads, eh?

Anywayz, you've missed another important part of the game. Missions. Flyrants are killy and stuff but they need to land to cap objectives.

And technically, he had a bound army

15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore

15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore
15 - Mucolid spore

See, 6 troop choices. No unbound at all.

It's also hilarious how you accused him of cheating and bringing an unfair unbound army whereas his army's battleforged and your's illegal (>1850 pts) AND unbound.
Yep, the nid's army is very competitive - tournament level competitive. Spamming the best model in the codex.

the mission was malestorm and I hate those missions because their just hard to play in genenral

So you just got schooled that the other guy's list wasn't unbound, and you've switched topics to complain about.

1. You were the one with an illegal list. Either over on points or under on troops, pick one.
2. You agreed to the game.
3. You got smoked.
4. ???
5. Complain on the internet.

Sounds like a serious issue. I suggest getting a good picture of your army. Then put it on ebay.

Fragile wrote:
Sounds like a serious issue. I suggest getting a good picture of your army. Then put it on ebay.

If you don't have anything nice to say, then never comment at all.

Edited by RiTides - Rule #1 on Dakka is "be polite"

Sniperarray213,

You need to slow your roll. If you don't want help fixing your list or advice on how to deal with 5 flying hive tyrants, then you've come to the wrong place and the mods can (and will) shut this thread down in short order, as would be their duty to do. You say you're 21. Act like it and stop using the language of a twelve year old to express your anger. You also need to accept that people are trying to help you, and using inappropriate language is not the way to say thank you.

The simple point is that your opponent brought a competitive list. To be honest, I don't think it's even the most competitive list for Nids. You could make his list better (and completely tournament-legal) with a few tweaks. It's a really tough army for anyone to deal with because it is so good at everything, but most armies can't bring anywhere near enough anti-air to deal with while still being able to beat other armies at the tournament level.

The corollary to that, which others have touched on, is that your list is not competitive. You can choose to ignore that fact or we can help you make it competitive (if that's what you want). A third option would be to talk to your opponent and have him play a list with less tyrants, or just find someone else to play.

As promised, how to deal with 5 flying hive tyrants:

1) MSU marine spam is actually not awful. As a tyranid player, I have no idea how to beat the battle Demi company on controlling objectives. It's tough to break through all of the 3+ saves if the rolls are hot and if you don't kill every one, the objective is usually lost. Not to mention that the Flyrants themselves are not going to be on the ground, so they can't take objectives. Objective missions (like the maelstrom ones that you don't like) are actually your greatest strength against Flyrant spam because you are on the ground holding the objectives and they are not.

2) heldrakes are actually rather good. Force a grounding check with vector strikes that ignore jink and their armor save and then assault the crap out of them when they land. Many units dedicated for assault can handle a Flyrant on the ground, or at least tie it up so that it can't shoot in your turn. You can also fire the template at flyrants that ignores jink and their armor save. Just pile on the wounds in easy ways and there won't be many flyrants left soon

3) try to manipulate reserves (bastion w/Comms relay, warlord traits, etc) so that you come in and get the drop on the flyrants. Of course, if they start on the board, that's less necessary, but still nice so that your heldrakees show up on turn 2 and not turn 4

4) placement of objectives is key. Try to put all of them as close to one another as possible. Your army is a lot less mobile than his is. You can eliminate that disadvantage somewhat with good objective placement.


As far as how to make CSM better, the honest answer would be daemon allies. Bring in some tzeentch screamers. Fateweaver is great too. Anyone who can make use of jink + shrouding is awesome because you're sitting on a nonsense save of 2+, re-rolling ones. Not all tournaments allow that (in fact I think most say now that if you re-roll a 2+ save, the second one just needs to be a 4+ because it's kind of broken otherwise). But you can do that with Fateweaver, screamers, and the daemon heralds that you can attach to the screamer unit. Super conpeitive and still tzeentch. I don't know how far you want to stray away from what you've been doing to become competitive. It's an honest question that every gamer has to ask himself/herself. But with daemons and marginal CSM involvement, it's very doable. The chaos imperial knight also looks to be quite ridiculous when FW releases it. A CSM primary army is just very difficult to win with versus competitive lists like the one your opponent brought

Likewise, I could say you shouldn't post form advice and turn away the advice people give you. I would amend your statement to "If you have nothing nice to reply, don't reply at all", no? Honestly, would you prefer people to refuse to advise you or give you false praise instead?
Agreed with the other guys in the thread.

If you want to discuss this topic further, please start a new thread rather than reviving your thread from 5 months back...

Also, please keep it more polite if you do wish to discuss something like this in the future - the comments in this thread are way too heated to be asking for advice with!