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Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Two things are super effective I've found (I stopped playing Decurion because I started getting looks):

1. Mass poison shots make all my sexy T5 units worthless. It is infuriating to have 20 bolter shots wound on a 2+ or 4+. Sternguard, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids are hotness against me.

2. Stop being an idiot and shoot Triarch Stalkers or Spyders first. Almost all Necron armies have units that support other units that make them seem OP. Those units are fairly easy to remove. Killing the right units first will make me hurt more than other armies.

 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Unfortunately, you need 8 BS3 Heavy Bolters (24 shots) to average a single dead Wraith. With 4+ Decurion RP, that's 16 BS3 Heavy Bolters (48 shots) to down a single Wraith, about 375pts worth of IG HWS's with Heavy Bolters

Debilitate wrote:


2. Stop being an idiot and shoot Triarch Stalkers or Spyders first. Almost all Necron armies have units that support other units that make them seem OP. Those units are fairly easy to remove. Killing the right units first will make me hurt more than other armies.

Nobody has forgotten about this. However, not every army has the ability to immediately and adequately strike the Spyder before it's ultimately too late (especially if the Necron player is going first, you only get one turn before the Wraiths are probably getting stuck in)

Debilitate wrote:
Two things are super effective I've found (I stopped playing Decurion because I started getting looks):

1. Mass poison shots make all my sexy T5 units worthless. It is infuriating to have 20 bolter shots wound on a 2+ or 4+. Sternguard, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids are hotness against me.

2. Stop being an idiot and shoot Triarch Stalkers or Spyders first. Almost all Necron armies have units that support other units that make them seem OP. Those units are fairly easy to remove. Killing the right units first will make me hurt more than other armies.

I have never NOT shot stalkers first, ever since I first read what they do. And they're not so hard to bring down.

Spyders in a harvest on the other hand are insane. I can deal with normal scarab spawner spyders, but canoptek harvest spyders may possibly be the most durable 50 points in the game. I don't have access to high str good ap ignore cover shooting, so it's definitely living past t1 unless his dice turn traitor. And as the above said, after t1 those wraiths are down your neck.

Debilitate wrote:
Two things are super effective I've found (I stopped playing Decurion because I started getting looks):

1. Mass poison shots make all my sexy T5 units worthless. It is infuriating to have 20 bolter shots wound on a 2+ or 4+. Sternguard, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids are hotness against me.

2. Stop being an idiot and shoot Triarch Stalkers or Spyders first. Almost all Necron armies have units that support other units that make them seem OP. Those units are fairly easy to remove. Killing the right units first will make me hurt more than other armies.

This. Though, Dark Eldar don't really seem very effective overall against Necrons. You'd think they would be, but eh.


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niv-mizzet wrote:

Debilitate wrote:
Two things are super effective I've found (I stopped playing Decurion because I started getting looks):

1. Mass poison shots make all my sexy T5 units worthless. It is infuriating to have 20 bolter shots wound on a 2+ or 4+. Sternguard, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids are hotness against me.

2. Stop being an idiot and shoot Triarch Stalkers or Spyders first. Almost all Necron armies have units that support other units that make them seem OP. Those units are fairly easy to remove. Killing the right units first will make me hurt more than other armies.

I have never NOT shot stalkers first, ever since I first read what they do. And they're not so hard to bring down.

Spyders in a harvest on the other hand are insane. I can deal with normal scarab spawner spyders, but canoptek harvest spyders may possibly be the most durable 50 points in the game. I don't have access to high str good ap ignore cover shooting, so it's definitely living past t1 unless his dice turn traitor. And as the above said, after t1 those wraiths are down your neck.

Yeah, Stalkers, and most of our vehicles actually, are rather easy to kill, especially the Stalker.

Hollismason wrote:
What update are you using so you can play with Spider Man in your list thanks .

Canoptek harvest. It features wraiths, scarabs and a spiderman.

To win them, you got to find a hard counter to spiderman.

He's not talking about everyone with the "stop being an idiot and shoot the important thing first" comment, he's talking about guys like this guy I fought recently:

I play a CAD with a Canoptek Harvest formation.

My opponent gets first turn before I'm allowed to pick reanimation, and has a Drop Melta squad.

He drops next to my Destroyer unit instead, deeming AP3 scary.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Unfortunately, you need 8 BS3 Heavy Bolters (24 shots) to average a single dead Wraith. With 4+ Decurion RP, that's 16 BS3 Heavy Bolters (48 shots) to down a single Wraith, about 375pts worth of IG HWS's with Heavy Bolters

So 2x Imperial Fists Devastators with 8 Heavy Bolters (well under 375 pts (just a little over 200, IIRC) for 8x BS4, re-roll 1s) would be decent?

If I had to pick a list to beat necrons at the minute, I think i would go with TWC space wolves.

Lots of TWC with iron priests and cyber wolves. Sprinkle PFs and TH/SS to taste.

Str 10 for ID'ing everything (lower RP roll, very good vs wraiths), high damage output to hopefully sweep necron squads rather than shoot them, fast speed to cover the board (good when you consider most cron units need to be in 24 to shoot), decent durability, and still works great as a tac list vs other armies too.

Yea sorry guys I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. I was referring to the people who boneheadedly go after a single unit they deem a threat (example: wraiths or your Warlord) when they could make tactical decisions to win. And then they go on the forums to shout to the world that Canoptek Harvest is OP.


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This one has already been brought up too:


3. Abuse my 24" range to death. Park your units 24" away from me and I will have to eat a whole extra turn of shooting before I can charge you. It makes me sad.

 JTFirefly wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Unfortunately, you need 8 BS3 Heavy Bolters (24 shots) to average a single dead Wraith. With 4+ Decurion RP, that's 16 BS3 Heavy Bolters (48 shots) to down a single Wraith, about 375pts worth of IG HWS's with Heavy Bolters

So 2x Imperial Fists Devastators with 8 Heavy Bolters (well under 375 pts (just a little over 200, IIRC) for 8x BS4, re-roll 1s) would be decent?

If they don't have RP, you'll put an average of 3 wounds on a turn, if they do have 4+ RP, they'll do 1.55 wounds a turn. Better, but still not spectacular.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Unfortunately, you need 8 BS3 Heavy Bolters (24 shots) to average a single dead Wraith. With 4+ Decurion RP, that's 16 BS3 Heavy Bolters (48 shots) to down a single Wraith, about 375pts worth of IG HWS's with Heavy Bolters

So 2x Imperial Fists Devastators with 8 Heavy Bolters (well under 375 pts (just a little over 200, IIRC) for 8x BS4, re-roll 1s) would be decent?

If they don't have RP, you'll put an average of 3 wounds on a turn, if they do have 4+ RP, they'll do 1.55 wounds a turn. Better, but still not spectacular.

So basically the Wraiths won't care. Got it.

There isnt any real true hard counter as there bonuses cannot be denied at all

The best you can do is bypass armor and thats it.

Edit: Oh actually also D weapons.

since they actually can bypass the bonus RP and generally there armor saves as well.

Deathstrike launcher maybe ?

 Desubot wrote:
There isnt any real true hard counter as there bonuses cannot be denied at all

The best you can do is bypass armor and thats it.

Edit: Oh actually also D weapons.

since they actually can bypass the bonus RP and generally there armor saves as well.

Yeah guys, stock on D-weapons and you should be fine.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
There isnt any real true hard counter as there bonuses cannot be denied at all

The best you can do is bypass armor and thats it.

Edit: Oh actually also D weapons.

since they actually can bypass the bonus RP and generally there armor saves as well.

Yeah guys, stock on D-weapons and you should be fine.

What ya want from me? there really isnt a true hard counter to there survivability.

The best you can do is stall em out with a tar pit of equal caliber.

Heck we went through listing this out when the codex was leaked.

 Desubot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
There isnt any real true hard counter as there bonuses cannot be denied at all

The best you can do is bypass armor and thats it.

Edit: Oh actually also D weapons.

since they actually can bypass the bonus RP and generally there armor saves as well.

Yeah guys, stock on D-weapons and you should be fine.

What ya want from me? there really isnt a true hard counter to there survivability.

The best you can do is stall em out with a tar pit of equal caliber.

Heck we went through listing this out when the codex was leaked.

Obj Sec and play to objectives. Those have been the closest times that I've lost.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
There isnt any real true hard counter as there bonuses cannot be denied at all

The best you can do is bypass armor and thats it.

Edit: Oh actually also D weapons.

since they actually can bypass the bonus RP and generally there armor saves as well.

Yeah guys, stock on D-weapons and you should be fine.

What ya want from me? there really isnt a true hard counter to there survivability.

The best you can do is stall em out with a tar pit of equal caliber.

Heck we went through listing this out when the codex was leaked.

Obj Sec and play to objectives. Those have been the closest times that I've lost.

Right we dredged that up too during that thread.
Though its entirly possible to block out a standard sized objective with bodies still and with the initative 2 you will be piling in last (so the enemy will be moving up first (harder to pull you off objectives))) in assault.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
Two words; heavy bolter.

Put as many on the table as you possibly can and watch the warriors and wraith drop like grechin infront of a baneblade.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Unfortunately, you need 8 BS3 Heavy Bolters (24 shots) to average a single dead Wraith. With 4+ Decurion RP, that's 16 BS3 Heavy Bolters (48 shots) to down a single Wraith, about 375pts worth of IG HWS's with Heavy Bolters

So 2x Imperial Fists Devastators with 8 Heavy Bolters (well under 375 pts (just a little over 200, IIRC) for 8x BS4, re-roll 1s) would be decent?

If they don't have RP, you'll put an average of 3 wounds on a turn, if they do have 4+ RP, they'll do 1.55 wounds a turn. Better, but still not spectacular.

So basically the Wraiths won't care. Got it.

Pretty much.

I mean, it's one thing to kill Warriors or Flayed ones, but the T5 units with invuls/Jink saves (Wraiths, Lyghguard, Tomb Blades) are mind-bogglingly resistant to just about anything you throw at them.

So is there any way to kill necrons?

Sounds a lot like its the kind of game where you may as well have 1 shooting phase and when you fail to kill anything you pack up and leave.

Boniface wrote:
So is there anyway to kill necrons?

Sounds a lot like its the kind of game where you may as well have 1 shooting phase and when you fail to kill anything you pack up and leave.

Dont count on EVER tabling necrons

Also if you roll purge the aliens then you might as well scoop there.

I genuinely feel like 40k might not be worth getting back in to.

Boniface wrote:
I genuinely feel like 40k might not be worth getting back in to.

Because of Necrons?

There are still WS and Riptides running around, too.

My knight army does well against Necrons. Adamantine lance then a lancer, castigator (anti-air) and acheron (love that giant flamer).

DE don't suck vs Necrons either either.

Tau do ok, as long as the Wraiths don't make it to the backfield.


Speaking of knights:

The Deflagrate rule on my Castigator does automatic hits equal to the number of unsaved wounds. Since the sword is S10 AP2, if the necron gets back up, does it still count as an unsaved wound?

And Knights, don't forget Knights!

I've done well against Necrons with Dark Eldar coven things. The Necrons have no counter to the corpsethief squadron, as they have few High Strength/low AP weapons. Wraiths can tarpit, but not well enough and he is just feeding me VP's. He can't just play the objectives because i place all of my objectives within striking distance of each other, so his only choice is to tarpit them or let me have board dominance. They also rock at killing those Spyders first turn, 5 TL Splinter Cannons seems to do that well.

Definitely second the wolfstar beating up on Necrons. Obviously Adlance + anything will be a tough match up for them as well. Daemons; either flying circus, screamerstar or khornedog rush, or some combination.

Those aside, as tough as the Decurion is, they sacrifice obsec. So drop pod MSU armies are probably pretty good (don't play one myself). I wouldn't call it a hard counter like the above, but I'd bet on you. Against CAD crons, well, it'd be a dogfight.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Boniface wrote:
I genuinely feel like 40k might not be worth getting back in to.

Because of Necrons?

Partially. No army should be invincible.
But too many OP things in general.

On the counter them idea, what about a Farsight bomb?
Farsight and 7 suits (6 touting dual burst cannons, 1 support for c&cn)?
That's 48 S5 Ap5 burst cannon shots at BS3 and 2 plasma at BS5 with re-rolls.

Boniface wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Boniface wrote:
I genuinely feel like 40k might not be worth getting back in to.

Because of Necrons?

Partially. No army should be invincible.
But too many OP things in general.

On the counter them idea, what about a Farsight bomb?
Farsight and 7 suits (6 touting dual burst cannons, 1 support for c&cn)?
That's 48 S5 Ap5 burst cannon shots at BS3 and 2 plasma at BS5 with re-rolls.

You still need to burn straight through a 4+ 4+++
You become twice as better if you can get past the 4+ even more if you can make it Instant death

I think the best options for Tau is sooooo many broadsides with missile fists.
but in general, everything should be poring shots into it.

Small arms fire isn't going to do it. Think about it like this, if you're not denying their armor (or cover) saves, you're giving them a whole extra layer of protection. You're letting them roll two saves instead of one. Let them roll the RP; whatever, it's just like a save so long as you deny them armor/cover.

A bomb would be an ok idea, but think plasma, not burst.

Overall though, I think it's clear CC is superior to ranged solutions. Even against the CC-oriented Necron lists, liek wraithwing or Flayed Ones, you're still better off in combat. FOs have lots of attacks and Wraiths have the invul, but neither are truly eilte CC units. Wolfstars, Knights, Terminators (lulz, can't believe I just mentioned them in any relevant tactical context), et cetera are going to be better than they are in CC.

Gravcents are the one true exception. A centstar with Draigo+5cents kiting around can really mulch through Necrons (except Wraiths).