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To be honest I consider the scarabs more of a tax. I find them less desirable than rippers or nurglings.

Spyders are pretty great
50 points for a fearless T6, 3 wound, 3+ save MC with a 4+ FNP?

Tyrannid players would kill for a comparable MC.
For comparison, a base carnifex is less than 66% as durable as a decurion sypder, for 240% of the cost!

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

It is indeed hard to take down the spyder, but that is not my point.

Taking down the spyder that gives the reanimation protocol to the formation is the only way to be able to put down the wraiths (except D-weapons).

And I too consider the scarabs a tax.

And IMO the spyder of the kanoptek formation is also a tax, because it is just 1 spyder that has "preferred target" written all over it. At least, if the opponent knows what he's doing.

Because i find wraiths good, but little fun to play (they are mainly good at surviving, not at assault) i will not field them anymore.

ORicK wrote:
It is indeed hard to take down the spyder, but that is not my point.

Taking down the spyder that gives the reanimation protocol to the formation is the only way to be able to put down the wraiths (except D-weapons).

And I too consider the scarabs a tax.

And IMO the spyder of the kanoptek formation is also a tax, because it is just 1 spyder that has "preferred target" written all over it. At least, if the opponent knows what he's doing.

Because i find wraiths good, but little fun to play (they are mainly good at surviving, not at assault) i will not field them anymore.

It may be a preferred target, but you still have to take it out. Any Necron player worth his salt will cover the Spyder in tons of Wraiths or keep it out of range/LoS.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

Agreed. One of the best distraction carnifex units in the game. I like to park mine in ruins and let it soak up my opponents shooting phase. By the the time it is dead my wraiths are usually in melee or would be out of range anyway, so it has served its purpose.

the_hanged_man wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

Agreed. One of the best distraction carnifex units in the game. I like to park mine in ruins and let it soak up my opponents shooting phase. By the the time it is dead my wraiths are usually in melee or would be out of range anyway, so it has served its purpose.

It's hardly a distraction - it is a unit that must die or you can't possibly win the game.

 Xenomancers wrote:

the_hanged_man wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

Agreed. One of the best distraction carnifex units in the game. I like to park mine in ruins and let it soak up my opponents shooting phase. By the the time it is dead my wraiths are usually in melee or would be out of range anyway, so it has served its purpose.

It's hardly a distraction - it is a unit that must die or you can't possibly win the game.

Agreed. Scarabs aren't as deadly as they used to be, but Spyders can still pump out lots of those annoying guys.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

the_hanged_man wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

Agreed. One of the best distraction carnifex units in the game. I like to park mine in ruins and let it soak up my opponents shooting phase. By the the time it is dead my wraiths are usually in melee or would be out of range anyway, so it has served its purpose.

It's hardly a distraction - it is a unit that must die or you can't possibly win the game.

Agreed. Scarabs aren't as deadly as they used to be, but Spyders can still pump out lots of those annoying guys.

I personally don't see the Scarabs as a tax. I feel the new Entropic Strike better helps them resemble what they actually do in fluff. Plus, they're an excellent tarpit unit.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

the_hanged_man wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

If the opponent wants to take down the spyder then I say let him, the thing is incredibly durable for its price.

Agreed. One of the best distraction carnifex units in the game. I like to park mine in ruins and let it soak up my opponents shooting phase. By the the time it is dead my wraiths are usually in melee or would be out of range anyway, so it has served its purpose.

It's hardly a distraction - it is a unit that must die or you can't possibly win the game.

Agreed. Scarabs aren't as deadly as they used to be, but Spyders can still pump out lots of those annoying guys.

I personally don't see the Scarabs as a tax. I feel the new Entropic Strike better helps them resemble what they actually do in fluff. Plus, they're an excellent tarpit unit.

I don't either. I don't think they're as strong as they used to be, but the Spyder can pump out enough of them to be a hassle.

 jreilly89 wrote:


I don't either. I don't think they're as strong as they used to be, but the Spyder can pump out enough of them to be a hassle.

That low profile also makes them decently good for objective holding in some cases

Using a mallet on the Wraith models?

 jreilly89 wrote:


I don't either. I don't think they're as strong as they used to be, but the Spyder can pump out enough of them to be a hassle.

Well, 1 per turn if in the Decurion. So, they'll die easily to Serpent shields or anything S6 that focuses them. But if they get somewhere, Lordy.

I don't consider anything in the harvest a tax. Spyder is so hard to kill that he can soak up almost an entire enemy shooting phase if he was advancing through some cover. Scarabs not only have very obvious synergy with a spyder, but can accomplish anything if they aren't killed. My last non-decurion necron opponent had a group of scarabs go around his table side cleaning up drop pods like janitor-bots, in a BAO style mission. He ended up getting maelstrom because anytime destroy a unit came up, he was always about to eat another drop pod.

And the wraiths are the obvious teeth to the set.

Seriously, I wish my army had a 50 point model that would soak up an entire shooting phase so my other 1800 would be unscathed on t1.

niv-mizzet wrote:
I don't consider anything in the harvest a tax. Spyder is so hard to kill that he can soak up almost an entire enemy shooting phase if he was advancing through some cover. Scarabs not only have very obvious synergy with a spyder, but can accomplish anything if they aren't killed. My last non-decurion necron opponent had a group of scarabs go around his table side cleaning up drop pods like janitor-bots, in a BAO style mission. He ended up getting maelstrom because anytime destroy a unit came up, he was always about to eat another drop pod.

And the wraiths are the obvious teeth to the set.

Seriously, I wish my army had a 50 point model that would soak up an entire shooting phase so my other 1800 would be unscathed on t1.

They're not that tough. If they keep them back in cover, then it's harder for them to spread out the RP buff, which is why everyone want's them dead in the first place.

The harvest is good for it's points, no argue there, and above all the spyder for 50 points.
But it's not unkillable, at least not with the armies i play.

And when i play Necron i find the harvest not that intesting to field. Not because it is not good, but because it is predictable.
The units have to stay close to the spyder to get the most out of them and i like to have more freedom with my units.

ORicK wrote:
The harvest is good for it's points, no argue there, and above all the spyder for 50 points.
But it's not unkillable, at least not with the armies i play.

And when i play Necron i find the harvest not that intesting to field. Not because it is not good, but because it is predictable.
The units have to stay close to the spyder to get the most out of them and i like to have more freedom with my units.

This is exactly why I've only played the harvest once. There are so many more less-restrictive formations with just as good units.

If you are running a Decurion and a CAD, can the Spyders from the CAD add Scarabs to the Decurion, thus giving them the special rule from the Decurion Spyder?

 Suicidal.Simian wrote:
If you are running a Decurion and a CAD, can the Spyders from the CAD add Scarabs to the Decurion, thus giving them the special rule from the Decurion Spyder?

I don't see why not. They are a friendly unit of scarabs.

 Suicidal.Simian wrote:
If you are running a Decurion and a CAD, can the Spyders from the CAD add Scarabs to the Decurion, thus giving them the special rule from the Decurion Spyder?

I have a 2000 point list that is based around that.
Decurion + Canoptek Swarm + CAD (9 Spyders)

The Canoptek Swam's Sypder has yet to live past turn 4.

Player usually obsess with removing him, which works out to my advantage, since anything they direct at it isn't attacking the rest of my army.

The Canoptek Swam's Sypder has yet to live past turn 4.

Player usually obsess with removing him, which works out to my advantage, since anything they direct at it isn't attacking the rest of my army.

Oh no! My 50 pt model has been removed after 4 turns of focus fire, how tragic!

If you want to really get cheesy, (not sure on the points), You can add zahndrek to the scarab swarm, (with 20 models, he wont even slow them down), And place an Allied Buffmander within 12", for tank hunters.
Because overkill is underrated .

Other than that, I'm interested in seeing how the scarab farm preforms, It seems great on paper, almost too good to be true, I'm waiting for some glaring flaw to come across when it hits the table.

harkequin wrote:

Other than that, I'm interested in seeing how the scarab farm preforms, It seems great on paper, almost too good to be true, I'm waiting for some glaring flaw to come across when it hits the table.

It can be slow to play, requires a gak ton of models, they hit on 5's, often only wound on 6, and you have to listen to bellyaching of your opponents when you have 50-60 bases of them on the board, and the Spyders alone MSRP $330 for 500 points worth of the list.

If I had to play it with a 2 hour time limit, I don't think I could get through an entire game.

It's vulverable to large volumes of fire and blast marker heavy forces, both of which are scarce in the age of MSU.
Anyone who tries to defeat them in assualt is doing you a favor.

I think Astra Militarum with lots of cheap troops and Lemun Russ battle tanks could cripple it before it got off the ground, but that kind of army is absent in the local meta.

IG Manticores killed my Decurion pretty fast last week. But I didn't have Crypteks with them cause I didn't take Command.

 KiloFiX wrote:
IG Manticores killed my Decurion pretty fast last week. But I didn't have Crypteks with them cause I didn't take Command.

Take flyers to remove the Manticores asap.

I had the same thought as Rezolut and have a strong hunch that he is right. This would explain a lot.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
IG Manticores killed my Decurion pretty fast last week. But I didn't have Crypteks with them cause I didn't take Command.

Take flyers to remove the Manticores asap.

I already got hit quite badly in the first Turn before flyers would have come in. It was partially luck but anyway the point is that Decurion isn't invincible. Also, Autocannons with Ignores Cover killed my Tomb Blades (I should have taken Vanes in retrospect of course).

 KiloFiX wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
IG Manticores killed my Decurion pretty fast last week. But I didn't have Crypteks with them cause I didn't take Command.

Take flyers to remove the Manticores asap.

I already got hit quite badly in the first Turn before flyers would have come in. It was partially luck but anyway the point is that Decurion isn't invincible. Also, Autocannons with Ignores Cover killed my Tomb Blades (I should have taken Vanes in retrospect of course).

Well, I battled a skimmer heavy Eldar army - three Serpents, two Prisms, WK, Jetbikers, Shining Spears, Autarch with jetbike, and Jetseer - with my Necron Decurion army.
The mission was the relic and at the end of the day I won it. Wraths are great and Necron troops are very hard to remove.
I felt a bit sorry for Eldar at the end.

I am new to the game and usually play in smaller point games but if you are having trouble with canoptek harvests make sure to kill the spyder first because it is what conveys the special rules

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARON wrote:
I am new to the game and usually play in smaller point games but if you are having trouble with canoptek harvests make sure to kill the spyder first because it is what conveys the special rules

Please dont reply to a year old thread:/

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