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XD my bad I barely look at the psychic powers section of the codex. I think breath of chaos is a pretty good roll too, if youre gonna infiltrate with ahriman.

I guess I'm still shakey on 7th ed psychic phase: can a level 1 psyker use a level 2 spell? In 6th ed, if you rolled Breath of Chaos, you'd actually have to keep rolling til you got Boon or Doombolt. So it was actually a 50% chance.

 koooaei wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
1000 sons get a sorc that has 1/3 chance of getting a potent s8 ap1 beam. And a force axe / mace can accidentally screw your opponent's plans as noone's expecting much killiness from 1000 sons. They're that bad. Just a bit overpriced.
Besides, they're a good retinue to Ahriman. And Ahriman is actually one of the best warlords to run blobs of marines due to infiltrate.

really think Huron is much better at that. I also dont see Tsons being a good retinue for anyone, particularly Ahriman. T4 3+ saves. Very vunerable to dakka. Also Tsons are terrible in assault, and if Ahriman is your warlord that makes one very temping unit to assault. nearly 600 points that will get pushed over by a stiff breeze. At least they are fearless.

That was unexpected for me, to be honest, but having used both Huron and Ahriman, i find Ahriman to be better in infiltration lists - especially with daemon summon support - Pink horrors and herald. He has extra 3 ML, and fixed powers.
Tsons are not half bad. Also, there are 20 marines with Cypher pushing forward, so it's not like the opponent has enough spare firepower to chew through 3+ 4++ marines somewhere in the backline hidden behind a rhino.

Except they die as easily as Marines. There are so few situations that Rubrics are more durable than Plagues that there's really no reason to not just infiltrate them or Noise Marines w/ the Icon.

 SRSFACE wrote:
I guess I'm still shakey on 7th ed psychic phase: can a level 1 psyker use a level 2 spell? In 6th ed, if you rolled Breath of Chaos, you'd actually have to keep rolling til you got Boon or Doombolt. So it was actually a 50% chance.

yes he can. The Mastery Level number of a psyker in 7th edition only implies how many times you can roll the dice on the chart to pick powers. As long as you have enough warp charge left in the pool you can keep casting powers, though not the same power more than once per psyker, per turn.

tsons + sorc with a mbomb and a dozer rhino is 195 pts Ahriman is 230 - not 600 pts.

Target saturation is very important. And they're not like standing there in the middle of the map waving their hands. The first layer of protection is blos from part of the opponent's army. Second is a flat-outing rhino. And the most important part is that the enemy has more important things to deal with.

Tsons and Ahriman are underestimated. Just the sheer ammount of warpcharges, fearless 4++ bodies 2 force weapons in a squad and Ahriman's invaluable warlord trait is allready enough to justify them. Nice psy powers are just an added bonus.

The loadout i'm sugesting is NOT a centerpiece of the army - they're support. I just find them not worse than Something with Huron. 1000 sons can work and they do. At least for me. And for the 1000 sons guy who took 2*10 + 9 + Ahriman at adepticon and went 4 wins 2 losses.

While I prefer the fluff of Tzeentch, if I were to just pick one, I'd go with the Nurgle. T5 doesn't suck.

 koooaei wrote:
tsons + sorc with a mbomb and a dozer rhino is 195 pts Ahriman is 230 - not 600 pts.

Target saturation is very important. And they're not like standing there in the middle of the map waving their hands. The first layer of protection is blos from part of the opponent's army. Second is a flat-outing rhino. And the most important part is that the enemy has more important things to deal with.

Tsons and Ahriman are underestimated. Just the sheer ammount of warpcharges, fearless 4++ bodies 2 force weapons in a squad and Ahriman's invaluable warlord trait is allready enough to justify them. Nice psy powers are just an added bonus.

The loadout i'm sugesting is NOT a centerpiece of the army - they're support. I just find them not worse than Something with Huron. 1000 sons can work and they do. At least for me. And for the 1000 sons guy who took 2*10 + 9 + Ahriman at adepticon and went 4 wins 2 losses.

I was thinking there was a full squad of Tsons.

Anyway, YMMV; if they work for you great

 koooaei wrote:
tsons + sorc with a mbomb and a dozer rhino is 195 pts Ahriman is 230 - not 600 pts.

Target saturation is very important. And they're not like standing there in the middle of the map waving their hands. The first layer of protection is blos from part of the opponent's army. Second is a flat-outing rhino. And the most important part is that the enemy has more important things to deal with.

Tsons and Ahriman are underestimated. Just the sheer ammount of warpcharges, fearless 4++ bodies 2 force weapons in a squad and Ahriman's invaluable warlord trait is allready enough to justify them. Nice psy powers are just an added bonus.

The loadout i'm sugesting is NOT a centerpiece of the army - they're support. I just find them not worse than Something with Huron. 1000 sons can work and they do. At least for me. And for the 1000 sons guy who took 2*10 + 9 + Ahriman at adepticon and went 4 wins 2 losses.

1. 425 is pretty expensive for what you're getting from that.
2. I don't have more important things to deal with if you tied 425 points into that so I can get an easy Slay The Warlord.
3. Warp Charges are more easily generated by taking a second CAD for two Cultist squads and a Sorcerer. Minimally more expensive for being able to cover more area and having the options to customize the Sorcerer and not taking the gak MoT Discipline.
4. Force Weapons only matter when you can reach combat. If Rubrics reach melee and Force something important, you both have incredible luck and your opponent sucks. I said it.
5. Huron already has the trait, has the exact same survivability (3+ 4++), and isn't forced to join MoT-or-no-Mark squads. He's cheaper to boot and still contributes a Warp Charge if you're into that sorta thing. Ahriman might have an edge on Monstrous Creatures, but both dudes are dead to any monstrous creature that matters anyway.
6. One dude does okay at Adepticon and you use that as justification? Next thing I know you're gonna tell me that Lictors are more than just expensive Locator Beacons for the Mawlocs you brought...

Chaos Lord+Crimson Slaughter+MoN+Bike+Daemonheart+Sigil Of Corruption+Slaughterer's Horns= T6, 2+ Armour, IWND Monster with Rage, Furious Charge & HoW

Alternate View:
Same, but with MoS and attached to Slaanesh Bikers with Icon of Excess= -1T, +1I, FNP

Tzeentch or Nurgle.
I'd mount a Nurgle Chaos Lord on a bike. Gives T6.

Ahriman can be OK but not with Thousand Sons. 3x Psychic Shriek is pretty dirty. I've run him with unmarked Havocs (for additional Special Weapons) and he performed OK.

Obviously the best face-beater is the MoK AoBF Juggerlord, followed up by the Crimson Slaughter MoN Bikerlord with LC/PF and all of the other goodies, who is a bit more durable and can be joined by more durable Nurgle-marked spawn.

For fun or fluff go for your favourite god.

Tactically MoN is by far the best option for just about anything in the codex.