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Sadly, not for me. The pricing is something that I just can't justify anymore. Not when my dollar spreads much further when I spend it elsewhere.

But it is good to see them at least start toward the right direction. They've got a long, long way to go, though.

Akragth wrote:
Sadly, not for me. The pricing is something that I just can't justify anymore. Not when my dollar spreads much further when I spend it elsewhere.

But it is good to see them at least start toward the right direction. They've got a long, long way to go, though.

Funny you should mention that. There was a price hike here recently. Some things, like paints, went up a few cents. Others, like the Baneblade kit, went up thirty freakin' dollars.


I understand that costs fluctuate, but damn.

From a business standpoint they're definitely making some good changes with them finally giving us proper savings in bundles with the Start Collecting boxes rather than the annoying "Here's all your models in one basket online for the same price!". Unfortunately, as others as have mentioned ruleswise they still have a long way to go since for me recently the re-release of the WAAAGH! Ghazghkull supplement has been most disheartening given how much they could have fixed in it had they put in an iota of effort. It still boggles me that they don't bother outsourcing their rules if they care more about selling miniatures rather than making a game around them.


Also given that I'm from Canada, where our dollar is already crap, GW prices just continue to be salt upon wounds given that now even if we go on Ebay or other discount sites, most of the currency changes make it so its almost on par from just by buying from GW proper.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

Akragth wrote:
Sadly, not for me. The pricing is something that I just can't justify anymore. Not when my dollar spreads much further when I spend it elsewhere.

But it is good to see them at least start toward the right direction. They've got a long, long way to go, though.

Funny you should mention that. There was a price hike here recently. Some things, like paints, went up a few cents. Others, like the Baneblade kit, went up thirty freakin' dollars.


I understand that costs fluctuate, but damn.

I believe GW as far as I can throw them Which is zero.

When they actively change their business model that effectively has not changed since 2006, is when they will be on the right track

The reason for the price increases (IMHO) is to make up for the losses of players within their customer base. There is no changes to their business model hence there will be prices increases to continue to make up for loss of revenue due to loss of players.

So no, GW is not on the right track. When Kirby is completely removed from any part of the company is when you might see change.

And please do not tell me Kirby does not have any influence within the corporation. I've served on "a" board of directorship before and during the two years that I served, WE call the shots and THEY listen to us for our direction.

So until Kirby is completely out of the picture, you are going to see more or less the same as you are seeing now. More players leaving the game for something else that they enjoy.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I am a bit curious here boys (and girls) -

I took a pretty thorough hobby break for about 2, 2.5 years. I would check in here and there to see the news, but that was about it. When I left, GW seemed to be in free-fall, their reputation was in the garbage can and on a lot of fronts, pretty rightly so.

Coming back in, I look around, they have put out some spectacular models, made starter boxes worth buying, put out a lot of board games with amazing content in the form of 40k compatible minis and pretty decent stand-alone games... re-invigorated the GS Cult, released adeptus mechanicus, progressed the 40k fluff and Warhammer fluff, revived specialist games officially, now recently they have re-engaged the audience on social media AND they are getting back in the tournament scene?

The prices are still high, there is no doubt. Sigmar seems to be having trouble finding it's feet, I think that would be fair to say too... But, it seems they are really pushing to give the audience back the things they missed and wanted, and are reacting fairly quick on majority of fronts now.

So? This new CEO seems to be the kind of guy people were begging for 2 years ago. How do you guys feel about it?

Not everyone considers "progressing" the fluff a positive thing, particularly given the outcomes. That said, credit where it's due, they're doing a lot right recently, or at least making the right kind of noises - long term, my own personal view will be entirely decided by how they handle the new SG division; when that was announced they traded on nostalgia for the old SGs, but I'm not particularly encouraged since the only rumours we have on older-style games indicate a big scale change for Epic/Adeptus Titanicus(if it returns in that form at all) and that they don't know yet what the fluff for the new Blood Bowl will be, which isn't encouraging for those of us hoping the SGs would be a vehicle for them to produce material for the real Warhammer Fantasy(ie new Mordheim) rather than AoS rubbish.

So yeah, the usual from GW; some good, some bad, some meh - the proportion of good to bad has just started to increase over what we were used to before, they've still got a long-ass way to go.

 Pacific wrote:


On the other hand the elephant in the room (in terms of deplorable things to do) was the killing off of WHFB. While I can completely understand making a new game in AoS, not continuing support for WHFB in some form (even if it was only a tiny downloads/hobby section on the edge of the website) to cater for the fans that had followed the company from the beginning was a really gakky thing to do. I've seen grown men swallow with a lump in their throat when talking about it (which is some accomplishment, and shows how emotionally connected people can get to their games!) Was it done to force those players who might have remained with WHFB into turning to AoS? If so then it shows a lack of faith in your new product, but in any case that was one of the nastiest moves I have seen, and showed that GW is still very much the 'corporation' in what is otherwise generally a small and personably industry.

Also yeah, this. This single move burned a lot of bridges for me, had they not been so drastic in their attempt to eradicate all traces of real Warhammer and convert everyone to the new One True Faith AoS, all the good moves they've made recently would be building goodwill rather than mitigating the disappointment and annoyance they generated.

GW would have to 'fix' 40K and make it playable again for me to get excited about it once more.

Problem there is I don't think GW thinks 40K needs to be fixed?

I wouldn't consider myself a fan or a hater, just to start out. I wanted to get back into the hobby and GW almost killed it for me. How they treat internet shops is frankly insane. The IP problems just seem anti-community. The pricing is just predatory and 40k seemed, at the time to be half supported.

This is more personal but I couldn't fething buy a necromunda gang in a store or find anyone to play with who had minis. The scene was like three guys playing 40k and that was almost it.

in my opinion it felt like every passing month 40k got more and more Space Marines. 30k seems like a natural progression of that for me.

When End Times rumours started coming in I thought, yes! a chance for them to update some of the themes that lines follow. I thought maybe we'd get a ragged empire troops and maybe Orcs would get more brutal and less... in my opinion silly looking. Same with goblins more cunning less slapstick. Not that those are bad, It just seems I don't know dated?

When they announced the SGC was reopening I was optimistic that GW might finally turn things around. Forgeworld in charge of the models is slightly aggravating but still I'm hopeful.

When the Deathwatch Overkill box was 'leaked' I felt like at the very least they were listening, or going through a back log of most requested products.

We will see how it goes, but assuming they reboot or fix 40k, Get pricing and regional pricing under control, and make entry as easy as is possible given the nature of our hobby, then I'd say they are on track. Free Downloadable 40k rules would be a great start. Just the rules, plain pdf... make it as unattractive as they want and hype up the pretty great art and abundant fluff they have in their books.

 Alpharius wrote:
GW would have to 'fix' 40K and make it playable again for me to get excited about it once more.

Problem there is I don't think GW thinks 40K needs to be fixed?

This is about where I'm at, as well.

They've certainly made a lot of good decisions lately, but for all that they still have two core games that, in their current state, are unappealing.

I would love to get back into 40k... But that's going to require a pretty major change in their current design philosophy.

I'm still not going anywhere near a GW game until they fix their prices, but they do seem to be going in a better direction. I nearly bought Operation Overkill (as a Tyranid player I'm a sucker for Genestealer Cults) until I saw that $320 sticker which is absolutely absurdly insane.

However, I do feel the same as Alpharius. I don't see them ever attempting to fix their core games because they really don't think they need fixing, and the game designers who did think so have left. So I can't see my Tyranids ever hitting a 40k battlefield again.

However, Warhammer Quest? I'll be hitting that pre order button day 1. Absolutely loved the gak out of Warhammer quest, and a redone game with better miniatures would be absolutely ace.

There are still problems but they've been doing some good stuff lately. GW is like a kid; praise them all the time and they become fat spoiled and dumb, but chastise them all the time and they have no idea what the right direction is.

Actually that latter one sounds more like my last relationship...

No. Its still a miniature making company for painters or collectors, while codices and rule sets are just a service to the customers.

After End Times, my collecting GW came to a screaming halt. AOS did nothing for me and not picked up any new stuff in a long while. But I still follow what is going on in the war gaming world and
was surprised to hear they attended and showed new product at GAMA. But I loved to see Deathwatch overkill and was the first thing I bought from them in over a year..
I am sure they will also be at Gen Con again this year. I understand they need to make new product to sale, but bad choices was made on the AOS side that will take some time to fix.
All I can say is I am hopeful and do see changes in their attitude for 2016.. Only time knows... and there is to much competition out there for them to continue down the road of bad choices.

The funny thing is when AOS was released, I had a number of friends send me sympathetic emails and posts on my face book about how GW had slapped the face of their veteran gamers.

Interesting responses guys, I appreciate the time to comment!

 -Loki- wrote:
I nearly bought Operation Overkill (as a Tyranid player I'm a sucker for Genestealer Cults) until I saw that $320 sticker which is absolutely absurdly insane.
...
However, Warhammer Quest? I'll be hitting that pre order button day 1. Absolutely loved the gak out of Warhammer quest, and a redone game with better miniatures would be absolutely ace.

Import them.

I feel like the new CEO has noticed that the building is one fire and has ordered the staff to stop filling all the fire extinguishers with gasoline. But no real progress has been made.

Price are still pants-on-head stupid
40K rules are still a ridiculous mess
40K is now competing with Warhammer 30k: All marines all the time
Pretty much everyone who liked Fantasy is still pissed that they blew up the world and replaced it with Warhammer- Age of Sigmar: "Lets shoehorn some spacemarines in here too."

So while the starter boxers are OK-ish, and I'm happy that specialists games are coming back soon. I still feel pretty confident that even if GW were to produce a product I like it would be a) more than I am willing to pay for it b) not enough to drag me away from the other games/lines I have spent the last 5 years or so investing in.

They're being shown the right track by the successes forgeworld have made. I couldn't love 30k more, the foc is relevant again and I'm no longer forced to play what 40k has become, which is apoc, 30k feels like 40k did in 5th.


I feel like 6-7th gave the entitled of every gaming club and flgs free reign to just make the game totally suck. "Jus let mi plah wit mah toyzz!" isn't a ruleset, entitled brats don't make for good opponents and the paint by numbers ruleset just balkanized everyone. I'm still


sortof in awe with how 7th got rid of the army creation rules but at the same time somehow made them more convoluted. They threw the baby out with the bathwater all so the most annoying mouth breather in the club would shutup about being allowed to use his


baneblade. 30k had the common sense to at least index crazy to higher point levels instead of insisting we were always at war with eurasia (40k was always apoc silly, a hick hick).


30k is actually getting old faces back, we just had a tournament this weekend and every game was incredibly close even with massive variance from army to army. GW would do well to maybe finally realise that jervis's bull gak has gone on long enough and forcing


everyone to play asymmetric apoc level crap and accusing anyone wishing for a more balanced approach (the foc) of hating fun or not valuing fluff. The slight shift in marketing and the nice value starter sets are fine but they don't fix a fundamentally broken game. You still


see their shameless crap in the latest aos release, who in their right mind is going to buy 3 dragons for 600$ to play what was sold as a simple skirmish game? 40k was once a simple skirmish game you could play with your friends in a couple hours, now it's bloated


mess of flavour of the week formation/detachment idiocy. I'll go back to 40k when it goes back to being one faction, one codex, one foc, no silly crap. Oh and maelstrom is awful, adding the twister spin dial to your missions and fitting the word tactical into as many


paragraphs as possible does not improve the game one iota.

Well I never... Just spotted on the new Warhammer 40,000 facebook page:

"FAQs eh?
All right, let’s knuckle down and do this.
What one (just one, there’s rather a lot of you guys…) rules question do you want answered or clarified? Jot it down in the comments and we’ll take them to the Game Designers on your behalf. We’ll even return with answers, we promise. It might take a week or two but a collated list of freshly approved FAQs will be yours post haste"

 Alpharius wrote:
GW would have to 'fix' 40K and make it playable again for me to get excited about it once more.

Problem there is I don't think GW thinks 40K needs to be fixed?

I think that 40k is a lost cause at this point. Its needs to be completely redesigned, if not split into 2 separate games; neither of which are likely to happen.

I am certainly interested in whatever they do with Epic although given the quality of the current community ran rules there is a lot of trepidation as well. Decent models (for a reasonable price) and a ruleset that draws heavily upon what already exists (and which pays attention to the sterling work that players have done over the last decade) would get me to actually buy a GW product. That hasn't happened for a long time.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

So? This new CEO seems to be the kind of guy people were begging for 2 years ago. How do you guys feel about it?

I'm sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop -
Tom Kirby is no longer CEO? They finally got a replacement?

Crispy78 wrote:
Well I never... Just spotted on the new Warhammer 40,000 facebook page:

"FAQs eh?
All right, let’s knuckle down and do this.
What one (just one, there’s rather a lot of you guys…) rules question do you want answered or clarified? Jot it down in the comments and we’ll take them to the Game Designers on your behalf. We’ll even return with answers, we promise. It might take a week or two but a collated list of freshly approved FAQs will be yours post haste"

Well, I have to say boys though I can certainly understand your pessimism after years of decline on the rules front, I have to say, it really seems to me from a marketing/Pr perspective that many of these moves are harbingers of them re-integrating the client and the scene into their direct domain again. Too many things are happening at the same time and though by no means would I make a huge bet on it, I think the next Ed of 40k may be a surprise whenever it comes around. Could well eat my foot on that one, no doubt, but I guess the point is it no longer feels strictly impossible like it did the past few years... dare to dream lol!

They are definitely moving in the right direction, but they still have a bit to do to regain their former glory in my opinion. However, I'm enjoying the hobby more than ever, so I don't have a lot to complain about.

Asking players about what they want to be faq'd is nice and all that, but it really shows how much care and attention GW has given to their rules in recent years.

They need to ask players about what needs to be clarified.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

So? This new CEO seems to be the kind of guy people were begging for 2 years ago. How do you guys feel about it?

I'm sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop -
Tom Kirby is no longer CEO? They finally got a replacement?

Yep. His name is Kevin Rountree. And he seems to have a lot more about him thank god.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

So? This new CEO seems to be the kind of guy people were begging for 2 years ago. How do you guys feel about it?

I'm sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop -
Tom Kirby is no longer CEO? They finally got a replacement?

Yep. His name is Kevin Rountree. And he seems to have a lot more about him thank god.

Really? Was AoS under Rountree, or Kirby?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Really? Was AoS under Rountree, or Kirby?

IIRC it was released under Roundtree but the planning and initial idea was under Kirby.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Really? Was AoS under Rountree, or Kirby?

IIRC it was released under Roundtree but the planning and initial idea was under Kirby.

So the adage "always blame Kirby" is still applicable then

AoS was way back in Kirby's times. Culling an existent game system and introducing a new one takes far longer than a year or two.

Then again, given the effort put into AoS...that might not be the case

recent announcements have been amazingly exciting! Black Library is pumping out some good old stories at long last and a return to some board games going is music to my ears.

I just pretend AoS hasnt happened!

Schmapdi wrote:
I feel like the new CEO has noticed that the building is one fire and has ordered the staff to stop filling all the fire extinguishers with gasoline. But no real progress has been made.

Businesses (especially those the size of GW) turn more like a cruise ship than a sports car. Any turn is going to take time to show its results.

They have my attention with some of the new releases like the Start Collecting boxes and I think the board games are a good idea. AoS is a complete miss for me, but it COULD have been good.

However, prices are still too high, the value is not there for the game systems and the competition in the market at the moment is just too high for me to consider their games and models. I'm more likely to buy stuff for LOTR than anything else.