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A good move on their part. They're in desperate need of fresh blood in the customer base to address spiralling turnover and profits.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Orock wrote:
No deffkopta? And that price for 30 year old old vehicles?

There's 1 deffkopta in the big set.

Sorry I meant solo. Was hopeing they would sell it solo like the bike.

GAW20-08
40K: BFV Ork Gretchin
$15.99 SRP

Are grots getting a price increase ?
or is there some cool oop plastic gretchin kit I don't know of.


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There are these ones but I can't imagine them bringing those back from the dead.

 oldzoggy wrote:

GAW20-08
40K: BFV Ork Gretchin
$15.99 SRP

Are grots getting a price increase ?
or is there some cool oop plastic gretchin kit I don't know of.


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There are these ones but I can't imagine them bringing those back from the dead.

There's a multipart plastic kit already available for £10.

I know but those are cheaper then 15.99 and still in poduction

Retail in the US looks to be $16.50 for the current Gretchin. So, yay, a huge and significant discount!

 oldzoggy wrote:
I know but those are cheaper then 15.99 and still in poduction

That's in dollars, so it's about the same as they are now.

 oldzoggy wrote:
I know but those are cheaper then 15.99 and still in poduction

That's in dollars. It's practically the same price, and will probably be £10 in the UK,

 TheWaspinator wrote:
The kind of hilarious thing is that I would guess that the original mold for that thing would have long worn out by this point. They've probably made a new mold for that wartrak design at some point.

Then you may want to educate yourself on the subject, those steel molds are only having soft plastic put through them. Air fix has molds that are now over fifty years old and they are still in use!

Here is a good place to start:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjtmsr3CqA

 Orock wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Orock wrote:
No deffkopta? And that price for 30 year old old vehicles?

There's 1 deffkopta in the big set.

Sorry I meant solo. Was hopeing they would sell it solo like the bike.

From the early pictures shown of these, they're just re-using old sprues. Releasing the Deffkopta on its own would have meant cutting a new sprue.

A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.

I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"

If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.

 tarnish wrote:
Gotta love the pictures of the Bright and motivated 10 year olds, painting and playing on a table that is obviously incredibly well made and set up by adults.
Would have been refreshing for them to show a more likely scenario, where the kids play on a kitchen table with coke bottles and shoeboxes as terrain, and with models that look like they where dunked into the paintpots and left to dry.

Having run wargames for a children's program - it actually does not look unlikely at all.

Bright and motivated kids do exist. (The children's program was The University School Festival for Creative Youth - and was aimed at exactly that, the bright and motivated.)

I brought a box of printed PDF terrain, and let the kids build their own buildings - some were quite good.

The Auld Grump- once upon a time I was one of the bright and motivated kids.


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 triplegrim wrote:
A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.

I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"

If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.

Again - the kids in my class were all colors and backgrounds.

One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)

Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)

Not all of the players are sweaty fat white boys.

The Auld Grump

The Auld Grump - for once you belie your name! Good post

 TheAuldGrump wrote:


One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)

Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)

Not all of the players are sweaty fat white boys.

Mordheim was a good game to recruit people with but doesnt exist anymore, and pathfinder is an RPG, which does have appeal to ladies.

But I have never seen any girls play 40k. Even a search on youtube brought up a few war machine videos, but little on 40k, apart from 2 interviews with norwegian girls, humorously enough. GW might try to expand into the female marked, but I doubt Ork Wartrucks are the right product for that.

There are a few of hobby shop employees that I know of that are women who play / collect / model 40k (or did at some point), and my wife enjoys AoS. But by an order of magnitude, especially in terms of time/money/commitment, the gaming and hobby population that I know of is predominantly male.

 triplegrim wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:


One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)

Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)

Not all of the players are sweaty fat white boys.

Mordheim was a good game to recruit people with but doesnt exist anymore, and pathfinder is an RPG, which does have appeal to ladies.

But I have never seen any girls play 40k. Even a search on youtube brought up a few war machine videos, but little on 40k, apart from 2 interviews with norwegian girls, humorously enough. GW might try to expand into the female marked, but I doubt Ork Wartrucks are the right product for that.

I knew 3 at University, but all feared the local GW and avoided it like hell because of all the blokes who kept either trying to hit on them, refusing to leave them alone, or trying to prove they weren't 'real' gamers. One played Orks.

I've run into similar scenarios with things like D&D. The male fanbase reaction to seeing them tends to keep the female fanbase on the low key. There's a reason that even online in forums, a number of girls pretend to be male or refuse to specify a sex/gender.

 triplegrim wrote:
A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.

I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"

If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.

Rather than criticising a diverse portrayal, how about embracing and encouraging it? A derogatory attitude towards diverse imagery is worrying, and helps perpetuate the reasons why gaming is predominantly white cud middle-aged males.

Yeah, that kind of "girls don't play games" attitude is very self-fulfilling. It's highly likely that you don't see many women at those tournaments for the very reason that whenever they do show up, this kind of dismissive attitude chases them off.

And yeah, I've seen women pretend to be men online, too. The WoW guild I used to be in had several women playing male characters and they said it was partly so that random people wouldn't harass them as much.

I think the topic of female and non-white players had been thoroughly explored.

Let's return to the topic yes?

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.

I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"

If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.

Rather than criticising a diverse portrayal, how about embracing and encouraging it? A derogatory attitude towards diverse imagery is worrying, and helps perpetuate the reasons why gaming is predominantly white cud middle-aged males.

Well, if thats what you read out of my post, I feel bad for you. I said single box games like Hero Quest, Space Crusade etc are the way to go if they want to sell to 10 year olds. Especially if they want to expand into new customer groups.

I am crestfallen in any instance, that GW has such obscure entry level products in general.

I dont think its just nostalgia that Hero Quest was fun and easy to play, and organized enough to get new players gaming within 5 minutes.

A boxed Mordheim (with less fish & skulls), gorkamorka (to capitalize on madmax), necromunda (think hunger games) or a hero quest style game would fit the "1 birthday & 1 christmas" purchasing power that someone mentioned above, and also serve as a gateway into organized play. Can you imagine two 11 year olds picking up 40k and trying to play a full game on boxing day?

well, we'll just have to wait and see what the rules are, won't we?

It's an interesting challenge, keeping the flavour of full-sized 40k, but simplifying it for 10 and 11 year olds who aren't having the concept explained in-store.

Personally, I think it's great they're doing this - but they would do well to have one good starter game box they could retail in their own stores.

It may well be that if they were retailing a box in their own stores (and online) then the toy stores would not be interested,

there's plenty of pressure on them from online sellers too, and something that is unique to them will be an easier sell than something that going to be up on amazon too for example

cool i hope it pans out .

GW putting a little girl in theyr ads is as ridiculous as Barbie recently putting a little boy in one of theirs.

Also agreed that I don't think that this is a good gateway into the hobby. Self contained games are way better for that imo.

 streetsamurai wrote:
GW putting a little girl in theyr ads is as ridiculous as Barbie recently putting a little boy in one of theirs.

Also agreed that I don't think that this is a good gateway into the hobby. Self contained games are way better for that imo.

Yes, because no little boy has ever wanted to play with a Barbie before...

Seriously, we have already had one warning this thread to cut out the commentary about gender and racial stereotypes. There will be no more.

While you may have never personally seen different genders and races playing miniature games, they do exist. And more importantly, having marketing materials out in the world showing a diverse range of players can have a real impact over time towards changing perceptions of players who might otherwise feel marginalized were they to even think about playing.

The more INCLUSIVE and WELCOMING players are towards diversity in miniature wargaming, no matter how rare it may seem, the more likely those norms are to change, even if its ever so slowly. Conversely, the more derogatory comments people make about having never witnessed diversity in miniature wargaming and therefore how stupid it is to depict such things, the less welcoming and inclusive the hobby will continue to seem to those who are traditionally marginalized.

As a kid I played with my cousin and she had her barbies/ken dolls and I had my action figures. We p[played with any and all of the toys. So it's not like it's impossible.

I am a guy.

amazing post yakface, agree with every word.

Indeed yakface, well said!

Exalted.

Is there any update on which retailers will have this stuff?

I think they have a list of U.S. shops selling it on www.battleforvedros.com - but it was quite small the last time I checked

Edit: The list is not there, must have been a different URL

Unboxing video of the game and paint set - BOLS





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The series has its own Twitter account

https://mobile.twitter.com/battleforvedros


Found the stockist list there





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Found the URL with shop list

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vedros-Retail