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Actually saw Vedros in a store. Game On in Prescott, AZ carries it. I almost fainted from excitement.

Prescott or Prescott Valley?

I ask because when I visited, it seemed like Prescott Valley was a bigger city, while Prescott had the uh, town square and Hastings?

And the way things are going I'm more likely to get a chance to shop around in Prescott Valley before I get to go to Brea or Fresno.

Interestingly these are not a good deal in the UK, at least from GAME. The Attack Bike is at GW's standard RRP for an Attack Bike, i.e. more expensive than a non-Vedros Attack Bike from any discounter.

Wait til January clearance...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Prescott or Prescott Valley?

I ask because when I visited, it seemed like Prescott Valley was a bigger city, while Prescott had the uh, town square and Hastings?

And the way things are going I'm more likely to get a chance to shop around in Prescott Valley before I get to go to Brea or Fresno.

They merged the stores into a single one now in Prescott.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Wait til January clearance...

Sadly, this is what I've had in the back of my mind from the beggining. Any retailer, who doesn't have gaming stuff, is going to have a hard time moving Vedros material, and eventually discount it.

The Vedros starter sets are a great deal as is, getting any sort of significant discount on them would be a steal.

http://fightingfantasist.tumblr.com/post/154328715362/new-old-gorkamorka-kits-the-wartrukk-is-from-the




"New old Gorkamorka kits!

The Wartrukk is from the Build + Paint Series 1 box which I got yesterday from a local independent toy shop for £17.99. It also comes with a sprue of the 1998 vintage Ork Boys (4 models). Coloured plastic, green and black although not the same green as the Orc team in the new Blood Bowl which is a much brighter colour.

The Wartrakk is from the “white” packaging Vedros sets from GAME. I forget the price but curiously it’s not moulded in coloured plastic. Also comes with one of the modern oval bases that are approximately 105 x 68mm.


The trukk comes with 4 tiny pots of paint, an even tinier tube of poly cement, and a Citadel Starter Brush. The trakk comes with none of this. A bit odd that, almost as if the two product lines are aimed at slightly different customers."


just a reminder

Isn't Vedros stuff just the way they put the Assault on Black Reach models back into circulation? That probably why they are normal sprue color.

 derek wrote:
Isn't Vedros stuff just the way they put the Assault on Black Reach models back into circulation? That probably why they are normal sprue color.

No battle for Pedro is them taking a bunch of their drek kits from the 80s and mass produced monopose stuff from various boxed sets (including AoBR) and repackaging it as "new". People are excited about this for some silly reason. Those old Gorkamorka kits are on a whole different scale of bad. The worst is that kids are going to get these, build them and paint them and be super proud.. then go to a gaming store looking for a match and notice that they are using kit that doesn't fit in.

On the other hand.. those old trukks are TINY.. so cheeky tournament players will undoubtedly get those to use instead of the modern kit.
That said, the other things from Pedro aren't that bad as long as you don't need a bunch of them.

They are all the snap together models repackaged and targeted to markets outside of the tabletop gaming community.

Battle For Vedros is marketed as a kids board game, and the second wave with paints included is marketed at the kids model making market.

I thought the big draw was that they were cheaper than equivalent 'real' kits.

 MLaw wrote:
No battle for Pedro is them taking a bunch of their drek kits from the 80s and mass produced monopose stuff from various boxed sets (including AoBR) and repackaging it as "new".

80's? Gorkamorka didn't come out 'til 1997. They're the oldest minis in this range.

And they're not repackaging it as 'new'. They're repackaging them as simple kits for the younger crowd. This is why they are the kits from the previous 40K starterbox + a few other simple kits.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought the big draw was that they were cheaper than equivalent 'real' kits.

It's a draw for existing 40K players, but the real point of them was to sucker in new 40K players.

Like these models ? Had fun playing Battle for Vedros ? Try our flagship Game Warhammer 40,000 !!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
No battle for Pedro is them taking a bunch of their drek kits from the 80s and mass produced monopose stuff from various boxed sets (including AoBR) and repackaging it as "new".

80's? Gorkamorka didn't come out 'til 1997. They're the oldest minis in this range.

And they're not repackaging it as 'new'. They're repackaging them as simple kits for the younger crowd. This is why they are the kits from the previous 40K starterbox + a few other simple kits.

I stand corrected on the date but I think you're stretching semantics to claim they're not trying to treat this as a new release. For the uninitiated they have no clue that it's leftovers microwaved and being served up as cuisine.. The pricing tells the real story. It wouldn't have been hard at all for them to at least update the driver and gunner on either of those kits. Even if it was just to re-use the crew from the new Trukk kit or the Stompa crew or whatever. I suppose bits sellers will be busy supplying alternatives :/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought the big draw was that they were cheaper than equivalent 'real' kits.

If they're still considered official models, I can see tourney players really really liking those smaller old kits. Seriously, if anyone doesn't own any or hasn't seen them in person.. they can hide behind almost anything.

How would they not be official models? They're GW molds and are still being made by them. Them being old designs doesn't invalidate them.

The Wartrakk is an OK mini let down by poor crew, I think. The Trukk really suffers by comparison to the modern equivalent though.

 MLaw wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
No battle for Pedro is them taking a bunch of their drek kits from the 80s and mass produced monopose stuff from various boxed sets (including AoBR) and repackaging it as "new".

80's? Gorkamorka didn't come out 'til 1997. They're the oldest minis in this range.

And they're not repackaging it as 'new'. They're repackaging them as simple kits for the younger crowd. This is why they are the kits from the previous 40K starterbox + a few other simple kits.

I stand corrected on the date but I think you're stretching semantics to claim they're not trying to treat this as a new release. For the uninitiated they have no clue that it's leftovers microwaved and being served up as cuisine.. The pricing tells the real story. It wouldn't have been hard at all for them to at least update the driver and gunner on either of those kits. Even if it was just to re-use the crew from the new Trukk kit or the Stompa crew or whatever. I suppose bits sellers will be busy supplying alternatives :/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought the big draw was that they were cheaper than equivalent 'real' kits.

If they're still considered official models, I can see tourney players really really liking those smaller old kits. Seriously, if anyone doesn't own any or hasn't seen them in person.. they can hide behind almost anything.

They don't even sell it in their store and I have never seen advertising for them on the GW website or stores. Why do you think their plan is to fool old customers? They are clearly intended for kids who never heard of 40k before.

From purely a modelling standpoint, I would enjoy getting a hold of some of the older "retro" looking models. If I recall correctly, one of the boxes has the black reach dreadnought and five of the old plastic terminators. A pretty fun little kit if you ask me.
Does anyone know if these are headed to the U.S. at some point?

TheWaspinator wrote:How would they not be official models? They're GW molds and are still being made by them. Them being old designs doesn't invalidate them.

This is me not knowing the particulars of the release. Are they being released as GW products, Citadel, or something else? I'm just thinking along the lines of what PP has done in the recent past. It's made me a bit cynical towards those types of things I think. That said, I also know some TO's in the Virginia area from when I lived on the East Coast who wouldn't allow 2nd Ed Avatars because they weren't reflective of the current rules for the model or somesuch. My friend that was using it was fairly pissed.

Ragnar69 wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
No battle for Pedro is them taking a bunch of their drek kits from the 80s and mass produced monopose stuff from various boxed sets (including AoBR) and repackaging it as "new".

80's? Gorkamorka didn't come out 'til 1997. They're the oldest minis in this range.

And they're not repackaging it as 'new'. They're repackaging them as simple kits for the younger crowd. This is why they are the kits from the previous 40K starterbox + a few other simple kits.

I stand corrected on the date but I think you're stretching semantics to claim they're not trying to treat this as a new release. For the uninitiated they have no clue that it's leftovers microwaved and being served up as cuisine.. The pricing tells the real story. It wouldn't have been hard at all for them to at least update the driver and gunner on either of those kits. Even if it was just to re-use the crew from the new Trukk kit or the Stompa crew or whatever. I suppose bits sellers will be busy supplying alternatives :/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought the big draw was that they were cheaper than equivalent 'real' kits.

If they're still considered official models, I can see tourney players really really liking those smaller old kits. Seriously, if anyone doesn't own any or hasn't seen them in person.. they can hide behind almost anything.

They don't even sell it in their store and I have never seen advertising for them on the GW website or stores. Why do you think their plan is to fool old customers? They are clearly intended for kids who never heard of 40k before.

I don't think you are reading or understanding what I am saying. I clearly mentioned kids. Kids are the only ones who WOULD be fooled by it. The reason I don't like this approach is because specifically it seems like it's aimed at entry level kids who are new to the hobby. Being a father of two children in that exact target group I am extremely tuned into this (if not a bit over sensitive)

You can see the boxes here. They say "Warhammer 40,000" and the one I'm holding right now has a Games Workshop "Made in the UK" mark and copyright notice on the back.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/build_paint?_requestid=547335

I don't think you are reading or understanding what I am saying. I clearly mentioned kids. Kids are the only ones who WOULD be fooled by it. The reason I don't like this approach is because specifically it seems like it's aimed at entry level kids who are new to the hobby. Being a father of two children in that exact target group I am extremely tuned into this (if not a bit over sensitive)

Ragnar69 wrote:

I don't think you are reading or understanding what I am saying. I clearly mentioned kids. Kids are the only ones who WOULD be fooled by it. The reason I don't like this approach is because specifically it seems like it's aimed at entry level kids who are new to the hobby. Being a father of two children in that exact target group I am extremely tuned into this (if not a bit over sensitive)

I see it exactly the other way. I think they are excellent for beginner kids. Most won't become full 40k gamers anyway. And those that carry on with the hobby for years would replace there oldest models anyway.
Or do you still game with models that you have painted as a kid? I can't even stand my paint jobs from my tweens anymore. I was tempted to buy a box for my nephew if I could get them more easily here in Germany.

Again, the target are not future 40k gamers, the target are people strolling through the toy section being captured by the art.

First, I don't see what age has to do with this.
Second, I started with Rogue Trader, so you obviously don't understand how old I am

The old ork trukks and buggies aren't half bad when you change the drivers bodies to to normal boys like I did back in 3rd edition.

If my son woudn't already have enough marines I would get him some of that stuff.

I really can't see any issues with these models for beginner kids unless they would cost nearly as much as the corresponding proper kits. Didn't bother to compare the prices as I'm too lazy to convert the foreign currencies or even to find out what they cost in the beginning

My SW infantry is mostly from the nineties, because they still are great sculpts. But if better looking replacements (i.e. anything with a Rhino chasis) became available, I gladly changed.

But I guess we have to agree to disagree. I think it's great they released them, you consider them a money grab.

Ragnar69 wrote:
First, I don't see what age has to do with this.
Second, I started with Rogue Trader, so you obviously don't understand how old I am

...

If my son woudn't already have enough marines I would get him some of that stuff.

Ya, that!

My son doesn't have any Marines and I'm out of Dreadnoughts, so...

Iain.

Ragnar69 wrote:
First, I don't see what age has to do with this.
Second, I started with Rogue Trader, so you obviously don't understand how old I am

The old ork trukks and buggies aren't half bad when you change the drivers bodies to to normal boys like I did back in 3rd edition.

If my son woudn't already have enough marines I would get him some of that stuff.

I really can't see any issues with these models for beginner kids unless they would cost nearly as much as the corresponding proper kits. Didn't bother to compare the prices as I'm too lazy to convert the foreign currencies or even to find out what they cost in the beginning

My SW infantry is mostly from the nineties, because they still are great sculpts. But if better looking replacements (i.e. anything with a Rhino chasis) became available, I gladly changed.

But I guess we have to agree to disagree. I think it's great they released them, you consider them a money grab.

Sorry, but if you refer to yourself in your tween years, I automatically assume you're young enough to still have models from those years.. if you are old and still have models from that long ago, bravo.. that's not the case for most of the people I know (especially when some of them don't stop letting you know they used to have squats and zoats).
Second, age is entirely relevant. As a person who has watched numerous old kits keep getting floated in place of new kits while the prices keep going up, it's frustrating. If you really did start at Rogue Trader, I can't see how you wouldn't see that point. As to the idea that the kits are not half bad (AFAIK buggies aren't re-released, just trakks, trukks, and old bikes) I have to wonder if you own any of these? I still do and after getting the new trukks I ended up breaking them down for parts and terrain because they are absolutely horrible kits. The Space Marine side of this isn't half as bad to be honest but comparing the land speeder, dreadnought, and SM bikes to the vehicles in the Ork kit? Come on.. seriously? Either way, you are welcome to disagree.. this is a public forum and I was voicing my opinion. It was not specifically directed to you. I'm not sure why it bothers you (or anyone really) that I think this is a money grab but clearly it does.. that is very odd to me.

 MLaw wrote:

It wouldn't have been hard at all for them to at least update the driver and gunner on either of those kits.

That would have meant cutting new moulds.

From all appearances, the whole intention of this release is to get some extra life out of existing moulds. It's a way of reaching a new audience without the expense of new models. Altering them before release would completely negate the point of that.

If they're still considered official models, I can see tourney players really really liking those smaller old kits. Seriously, if anyone doesn't own any or hasn't seen them in person.. they can hide behind almost anything.

Considered 'official' by whom?

Models don't stop being usable just because they're old. There are plenty of us still using models as old or older than these.


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 MLaw wrote:

Sorry, but if you refer to yourself in your tween years, I automatically assume you're young enough to still have models from those years..

This comment confuses me. Do you just assume that everyone gets rid of their old models after some arbitrary period of time...?

 insaniak wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

It wouldn't have been hard at all for them to at least update the driver and gunner on either of those kits.

That would have meant cutting new moulds.

From all appearances, the whole intention of this release is to get some extra life out of existing moulds. It's a way of reaching a new audience without the expense of new models. Altering them before release would completely negate the point of that.

If they're still considered official models, I can see tourney players really really liking those smaller old kits. Seriously, if anyone doesn't own any or hasn't seen them in person.. they can hide behind almost anything.

Considered 'official' by whom?

Models don't stop being usable just because they're old. There are plenty of us still using models as old or older than these.


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 MLaw wrote:

Sorry, but if you refer to yourself in your tween years, I automatically assume you're young enough to still have models from those years..

This comment confuses me. Do you just assume that everyone gets rid of their old models after some arbitrary period of time...?

Ugh I hate line by line arguments that forego actual discussion to attempt to be "correct" on an individual basis while missing the whole point of the topic.
Your very first response is exactly my point. They're being cheap-asses to milk some Ork kits that should be allowed to gracefully retire. Instead they are engaging in an "entry level" tactic I don't agree with (see my previous posts). I won't bother responding to the rest of your snark because you're clearly not interested in discussing this so much as just picking apart posts like they're entries in a rulebook or something. That and you didn't even bother reading my reply to someone else asking what I meant by "considered official".

He seems to have a bee in his bonnet about people using old models when there are newer ones released. And also seems to think its some kind of scam run buy GW to trick kids in to buying a "inferior " kit ,

Personally I love the old trucks and how easy they were to convert up .

Now if they did a drastic plastics I would be all over them

 CURNOW wrote:
He seems to have a bee in his bonnet about people using old models when there are newer ones released. And also seems to think its some kind of scam run buy GW to trick kids in to buying a "inferior " kit ,

Personally I love the old trucks and how easy they were to convert up .

Now if they did a drastic plastics I would be all over them

Seriously.. how does nobody else understand this?
If you own a company and you replace inferior, older products with something newer, the idea is to allow the newer products to become the face of your company's products and capabilities. Re-releasing inferior products (yes they are inferior in almost every conceivable way) is not something done by 99% of businesses. Why put the resources into it at all? If they want to make cheap starter kits then make cheap starter kits. Ork players have a hard enough time with being taken seriously, now on top of all else, we'll have this stuff floating around again..

Here's the thing.. I don't agree with the move. Everyone is replying by attacking my position and not defending GW's decision. I've heard no valid reasons to put out a kit that needs to be allowed to die in the comfort of it's home surrounded by loved ones only how stupid I am for questioning GW's infinite wisdom.

 MLaw wrote:

Here's the thing.. I don't agree with the move. Everyone is replying by attacking my position and not defending GW's decision. I've heard no valid reasons to put out a kit t hat needs to be allowed to die in the comfort of it's home surrounded by loved ones only how stupid I am for questioning GW's infinite wisdom.

Ah. So the problem is that you're taking disagreement as a personal attack.

I'd stop doing that, frankly.


You don't like these kits? That's fine. Others do, or don't see a problem with them being available as cheap starters, or have these models in their collections and so welcome the opportunity to buy more matching kits to expand their army.







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 MLaw wrote:
I won't bother responding to the rest of your snark because you're clearly not interested in discussing this so much as just picking apart posts like they're entries in a rulebook or something. That and you didn't even bother reading my reply to someone else asking what I meant by "considered official".

I suspect that you missed my point. You seem to be looking for some sort of 'official' stamp that simply doesn't exist where GW is concerned. Outside of specific tournament rulings (which are uncommon, from my expetience) any of GW's models or rules are as 'official' as players want them to be.