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Change the terminator save to a 2++

SemperMortis wrote:
give StormBoyz Jink.

This is actually hilarious and incredibly fitting. If the stormboyz don't know where they're going, how the hell would the enemy?

For mine, I would give Banshees furious charge. Might encourage people to use them if the fraction of the squad that makes it in to combat can kill something.

Give C'tan a 2+ armor save.
They are armor plated demigods. Why should they have a save that's worse than a wraith?

Longer range for vox casters.

Give possessed the option for wings and to buy a lot of stuff instead of just rolling on a table every round.

Make the Hot-shot lasguns range 24.

That would basically make them twice as good as regular lasguns. Considering that Tempestus Scions are twice as expensive as a regular guardsmen, without access to First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire, then i honestly don't think it would make them overpowered.

Shadow in the warp makes psykers in its bubble generate warp charges on a -2 modifier (usually a 6)

Give nids back EW in synapse range.

Warriors become viable again.

Entire Ork Codex: put cybork bodies back as a 5++ save.

I mean...cmon, there's zero reason to take them now at 5PPM when in Codex: Mary Sue your entire army can get the same rule FOR FREE.

Jink on Hellions.

Grant CSM codex access to Dreadclaw Drop Pods.

bring back psybolt ammo for GK.

Give Sanguinary Guard an Iron Halo (4++)
Give Vindicators side armour 12 (the model actually has extra side armour)
Bloodcrushers Need their 3+ back
Let Leman Russ tanks fire other guns with ordinance

Make Thousand Sons 2W and give them FNP.

Drop Defiler price by80 points or give 13 av

Provide Wargear for Chaos Marine Rhinos that makes them assault vehicles.

Make Renegade Ogryn default starting unit size 3, but don't change the point cost.

Here is why:
Chaos spawn are 3 for 55pt.
Renegade ogryns are 1 for 60pt

very similar statline, random attacks, S and T, no armor and all. Ogryns are not beasts, can't take transports and are outshined by spawn in every way. They can take a "powerfist" but it isn't D6 attacks, its 1 attack at WS1. oh boy. So if, like spawn, we got 3 as starter, and the additional model cost was changed, the slow unarmored unit might be a fluffy choice for a few people, and FW might sell some of the coolest sculpts out there.

Remove Ordnance from monolith and defiler main gun.

Make the gorkanaught/orkanaught a SH

Give Eldar Shining Spears Hit & Run
Give Dark Eldar HQ's the option for Jetbikes again. There is an Archon in the codex fluff that used to be a Reaver. Why did he lose his bike once he became an Archon?
Also give the grenade launcher back so that the DE HQs can join bodyguard and give them assault grenades

Give Slaanesh Fiends either Str5 or more attacks. They went from 5 str5 attacks to 3 str4 attacks AND a 5pts increase. More attacks is always good, but Str5 would further separate them from Seekers, allowing them to fill a different role in an all Slaanesh army.

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Sicarian units(Infiltrators and Ruststalkers both) get buffed to T5.

Give sniper rifles pinning.
Give dreadnoughts a 3+ or a 5++ save. Something to help them out a little bit to make them more rugged. The walker/vehicle rules need a total re-write, but this should help them as a patch-job within the scope of this thread.
Make LR’s (all flavors) Superheavy tanks. I’m not 100% happy with all the changes that the upgrade entails, but it’s a one shot fix that cures many of their ails.

I like the 12 side armor idea for vindis (add preds to that) and the torrent for LRRs.

WS4 on melee nids, 3 is just an insult on CC nids like the Toxicrene and Haruspex.
Wouldnt mind it on Fexen either.

t5 or ew on warriors
Make Hormagaunts beasts

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Make Renegade Ogryn default starting unit size 3, but don't change the point cost.

Here is why:
Chaos spawn are 3 for 55pt.
Renegade ogryns are 1 for 60pt

very similar statline, random attacks, S and T, no armor and all. Ogryns are not beasts, can't take transports and are outshined by spawn in every way. They can take a "powerfist" but it isn't D6 attacks, its 1 attack at WS1. oh boy. So if, like spawn, we got 3 as starter, and the additional model cost was changed, the slow unarmored unit might be a fluffy choice for a few people, and FW might sell some of the coolest sculpts out there.

Remove Ordnance from monolith and defiler main gun.

Make the gorkanaught/orkanaught a SH

Chaos Spawn are 30 points each, not including marks, unless I'm playing it wrong?

For harlequins, despite giving them an HQ option, have holo-suit be a 3+ invuln vs Overwatch.

Or is that the cost of Chaos Spawn in the Chaos renegades list?

Give Ogryns armour.

Make the power weapons on howling banshees AP 2.

Huron black heart wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Make Renegade Ogryn default starting unit size 3, but don't change the point cost.

Here is why:
Chaos spawn are 3 for 55pt.
Renegade ogryns are 1 for 60pt

very similar statline, random attacks, S and T, no armor and all. Ogryns are not beasts, can't take transports and are outshined by spawn in every way. They can take a "powerfist" but it isn't D6 attacks, its 1 attack at WS1. oh boy. So if, like spawn, we got 3 as starter, and the additional model cost was changed, the slow unarmored unit might be a fluffy choice for a few people, and FW might sell some of the coolest sculpts out there.

Remove Ordnance from monolith and defiler main gun.

Make the gorkanaught/orkanaught a SH

Chaos Spawn are 30 points each, not including marks, unless I'm playing it wrong?

IA: Vraks spawn a unit of 3 for 55 pts, must be unmarked. They are 30 each in CSM codex.

Give warp talons charge out of deep strike and allow a second charge if they wipe out a unit.

Shuriken Catapults 24".

Give bolt pistols/boltguns fleshbane. They're mass-reactive explosive rounds after all...

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Shuriken Catapults 24".

One of my biggest problems with the change to 3rd edition was this.

Hey, we are a dying race. Let’s give our fragile militia soldiers basic guns that require them to be at point blank range to use. I’m sure this won’t effect the body count of our battle at all!

(ShurCats used to be the same stats as bolters, but with an extra -1 to armor saves and a sustained fire die)

 General Kroll wrote:
Change the terminator save to a 2++

This is a problem with termies. They need to have the price lowered, and they'd be fine, which is ironic since is is what I said to avoid in the rules. That being said, I'd much rather they be cheaper or gain some other form of survivability aside from. Rerolling 2 up is a horrible mechanic, and should never exist. All the things that invalidate terminators and make them weak still ruin them with a double 2 up, but things that take 6 shots to kill now take 36. You went from "too squishy" to "taking 180 shots to kill a 5 man" add in a FNP and you've something that isn't fun. At all.

I feel like making them cost less would be adequate.