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It won't happen - it should but it wont.

The snowflake Chapters have now had a few years of making up sillier and sillier "flavour" units - especially the Wolves - I love my Wolves but hate with a passion the mcWolfy Wolf on a wolf sleigh crap that's now shovelled out - same with my Dark Angels and Blood Angels.

There are many other Chapters that should get unique units but don't: Including various First Founding Chapters that get SFA

Any specialist Sniper units for Raven Guard? Nope...... Any special Salamanders Terminator Units? Nope.

Many people have advocated for years that all the Marines could be in one or maybe two books.

But Marines sell and ever so slightly different Marines also sell - It might mean that other forces don't get a chance to be tried out - the variety with the Imperial Guard is vastly more than the Astartes in terms of equipment, doctrine and appearance.

TWC and Wulfen are vastly different than angry marines though.

Actually a generic cavalry option would be fine - it would allow for other chapters who use similar Beasts.
Terminator Squads just become mix and match, give a few more weapon options.
CCW option for all Marines at pts cost.
Have a few Elite options to represent special units and a few more - like say the non Scout Snipers.

Blood Angels and Dark Angels both could fit very easily into Codex: Space Marines

To do so you just have to follow a few simple rules:
Summer down the basic army Special Rules into something befitting a Chapter Tactics entry.

Some Army special rules become Unit Entry only for things like Black Rage, red thirst etc.

For Army Unique units, handle them the same way as Black Templar Crusader Squads are, only takeable in a detachment with BT Chapter Tactics, or make them more strict.
Example: Ravenwing Black Knights, these units may only be chosen as part of a detachment using Dark Angels Chapter Tactics or if you want it more strict certain specialist units can't be taken without a named HQ from that Army.

This way you can keep army specific units with their respective chapters and not have a gigantic Cluster feth.

And this would still with the new FAQ clarification still prevent Chapter Merging Superfriends lists, while giving a significant boost to both Blood Angels and Dark Angels armies gaining access to some of the needed models like Flyers and Centurions, as well as the contemptor and Cataphractii units. (Come on Death Company Assault Centurions would be awesome.) And access to "Angels of Death".

As far as Space Wolves go, much like Grey Knights I believe they do warrant their own Dex because of how fundamentally different they are from standard "Codex compliant" chapters.


Will it happen? I don't know I can't see the Future, but I wish it would.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
DA have grav weapons, but no access to Centurions, which is stupid. DA have more unique models and characters than you might realize, which I think warrants their own dex:

Black Knights
Dark Talons
Nephilim Jetfighters
Land Speeder Vengeance
Darkshroud
Deathwing Knights
Interrogator-Chaplain
Sammael
Ezekiel
Belial

Ok. And prior to the 6th edition Codex...

Black Knights
Dark Talons
Nephilim
LSVs
Darkshrouds
Deathwing Knights

...didn't exist, even in the fluff.

The Interrogator Chaplain is arguably just a Chaplain variant.
And special characters sort of don't count for determinining unique units because by default they are unique, even for the Captain Generic Ultramarines.

You literally have a single codex where those all appeared. That is it.

Surely the simple solution which would still allow GW to sell a variety of books, would be to have a basic SM codex, like we do now, and then have supplements for each first founding chapter and their successors. Like the Ravenguard and Whitescar stuff in Kauyon, and the other stuff in Angels Of a Death.

That way, everyone gets access to all the basic space marine units: Tac Squads, Centurions, Stormhawk/talon/raven.

Then you have a supplement for Blood Angels with all their Baal preds, Death Companies etc. And Space Wolves with their TWC etc.

You could even make it so that the decurions for each sub faction exclude certain standard units in favour of their chapter specific ones. Eg Grey Hunters subsume Tactical Squads in the SW decurion and so on. Dark Talons subsume Stormhawks etc.

I think it's a moot discussion either way, I've a feeling we are going to see the codex system completely changed in 8th edition with a move towards an AoS style online free rules with campaign books for added flavour.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Ok. And prior to the 6th edition Codex....

And that's 3 and a half years ago now.

That;s why I said on the previous page "If they were never broken off in the first place, then sure I'd say keep them in the main codex, but since they are already separate I think they should stay that way."

It's a big feth you to customers who might have started in that period to start hacking away at their armies to shove them in to a single book.

Gooble, gobble, one of us!

IMO, they should roll the generic units into a big book and then have supplements for each chapter's specific warlord traits, relics, etc.

Sanguinary guard could be an honor guard with wings, Librarian Dreads could be a simple HQ choice for any marine army, Baals upgrades could get rolled into Predators and the vehicle upgrades get the same into the Marine armoury, while Death Company remains their unique unit like crusader squads.

DA is a bit trickier, since they diverge a lot more than BA, and have a lot more unique things, considering they have their own flavours of bikes, terminators, and planes. I don't know if giving Terminators power mauls that are s6 ap3 and get +2s and -1 AP on the charge is quite the same as smite, and should any termie with a SS get +1 T if they are near another?

If they only got to keep one unit to themselves, which one would make the most sense being generic? The bikes with plasma guns or the terminators with special mauls?

 insaniak wrote:

Ideally I'd like to see all Marine chapters updated within a few months of each other so they stay consistent with each other, but that's probably never going to happen..

Indeed. Which is exactly why having them in one book is such an attractive idea.

Yeah, but the reason GW aren't going to release all the Marine codices within a short period to keep them consistent is the same reason they aren't going to roll them all in to one. It makes more sense for them financially to keep them separate and spread out the releases.

 War Kitten wrote:
I could agree with this. Most of the Marine factions (barring the extreme outliers like Grey Knights and Space Wolves) could (and should imo) be folded into the Marine codex.

I'd actually prefer more of them to be separated out and given their own identities.

And this goes for all armies, not just Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I could agree with this. Most of the Marine factions (barring the extreme outliers like Grey Knights and Space Wolves) could (and should imo) be folded into the Marine codex.

I'd actually prefer more of them to be separated out and given their own identities.

And this goes for all armies, not just Marines.

The number of codecies would be bewildering if you split up all the different factions within an army. Sisters of Battle would get six!

tneva82 wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Would it not sell more centurions, stormtalon, and other exclusive SM kits? Wouldn't that make up for the book? Or hell, keep it as a supplement and sell books and models!

Is that though good idea? If DA/BA gets access to every toy from normal codex and other marines don't get theirs the BA/DA will start to look like marines+1...

Are Black Templars marines+1 because of their Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht, and Sword Brethren?


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 Mr Morden wrote:

TWC and Wulfen are vastly different than angry marines though.

Actually a generic cavalry option would be fine - it would allow for other chapters who use similar Beasts.
Terminator Squads just become mix and match, give a few more weapon options.
CCW option for all Marines at pts cost.
Have a few Elite options to represent special units and a few more - like say the non Scout Snipers.

Really? Everyone gets a cavalry option? Not only would that be arguably OP if they were equivalent with TWC, it'd butcher fluff. I could however see assault bikes instead with 2 wounds and t 5 if they wanted to make up for it.

Couldn't care less. Either roll everyone in, or leave them as their own codices.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I could agree with this. Most of the Marine factions (barring the extreme outliers like Grey Knights and Space Wolves) could (and should imo) be folded into the Marine codex.

I'd actually prefer more of them to be separated out and given their own identities.

And this goes for all armies, not just Marines.

The number of codecies would be bewildering if you split up all the different factions within an army. Sisters of Battle would get six!

No, they wouldn't.
Sisters of Battle would at best be 2. One for the Sororitas themselves and one for the Ecclesiarchal components that accompany them into battle or function as standalone forces. Additionally, not every army really can be split off based along something as simple as faction lines.

To throw my own wishlist/ideas out there
Codex: Cadian Shock Troops
No Commissars, no Scions, no Ratlings, no Rough Riders, no Taurox.
Scions are replaced by Kasrkin Platoons; same general statline but no Deep Strike or Infiltrate option. "Inspiring Presence" rule that grants models with the Cadian faction immunity to morale checks while within range of a Kasrkin squad.
Ratlings are replaced by Cadian Sniper Teams; 2 models per team and they operate as separate units despite being bought together. Normal sniper rifles or a more powerful version designed for killing MCs/GMCs/lone heroes.
Rough Riders are replaced by Salamander Scout/Command vehicles.
Taurox are just removed from the list, period.
Cadian Shock Troops get the option to purchase Rapier weapon platforms as part of the squad instead of the normal Heavy Weapon Team.
Cadian models with "Voice of Command" get the ability to purchase an upgrade that grants them the Summary Execution ability.


Codex: Imperium's Shadows
Raven Guard and their Successors/similar Chapters
Formations and Doctrines associated with the different "ways of war" that the Chapter and its Successor practices
"Decapitating Strike" doctrine and formations would emphasize fast-moving/deep striking assault elements with a specific target and very little shooting.
"Baited Strike" doctrine and formations would emphasize infiltration and shooting, with precision assault elements that have to start off board.

If they went towards smaller/split out codices with more specific focus, fluff, etc and then also had a cheap "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" book combining the various bits and bobs with no fluff like they've done in AoS with the Grand Alliance books?

I'd absolutely be on board with it.

As long as we kept access to some our stuff exclusively the way Black Templars did, I would be okay with it. We would gain a lot more than we would lose. Isn't there a variation of the Predator that is basically the same thing as the Baal Predator without Overcharged Engines? So make Overcharged Engines standard on BA tanks and make the Baal Predator available to everyone. Hard to say what to do with the Dreadnoughts. Sanguinary Guard and Death Company would be exclusive. Make ano HQ Chief Apothecary and have the Sanguinary Priest count as one. Boom. Done.

 War Kitten wrote:
I could agree with this. Most of the Marine factions (barring the extreme outliers like Grey Knights and Space Wolves) could (and should imo) be folded into the Marine codex.

Yes. Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels can join all of the marines in one book. Put out a supplement for some additional warlord traits, special characters, and other bull gak.

That lets all Marines "Keep up with the Jones" in terms of wargear and new tanks and gak.

That also lets special snow flakes still feel like a natural woman.

Boom goes the promethium.

Really? Everyone gets a cavalry option? Not only would that be arguably OP if they were equivalent with TWC, it'd butcher fluff. I could however see assault bikes instead with 2 wounds and t 5 if they wanted to make up for it.

Depends - if they were actually pointed correctly (shock) they would be fine if as you say to have assault bike/cavalry.

The fluff is butchered anyway with regards to Marines - Vanilla and Flavoured looking hard at Centurions and ."flavour units" plus the explosion of SM flyers.

If GW did a good job balancing the unique flavor of factions, I would be more open to separating out factions more finely. As it is, many people just bandwagon their marines through whatever the best variation is at any given time.

I also think there's a lot of false diversity in the Marine codexes. You could come up with an excuse for any chapter to have some unique offering to it (and every time a new chapter gets some attention they always do). I'd hate to see further flanderization simply to perpetuate the unique snowflake concepts of these chapters.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Really? Everyone gets a cavalry option? Not only would that be arguably OP if they were equivalent with TWC, it'd butcher fluff. I could however see assault bikes instead with 2 wounds and t 5 if they wanted to make up for it.

Depends - if they were actually pointed correctly (shock) they would be fine if as you say to have assault bike/cavalry.

The fluff is butchered anyway with regards to Marines - Vanilla and Flavoured looking hard at Centurions and ."flavour units" plus the explosion of SM flyers.

Oh please.

We're talking about a setting where lost technology is found almost every day and immediately put back into production if it was for the Astartes. It's been that way for how long?

 Accolade wrote:
If GW did a good job balancing the unique flavor of factions, I would be more open to separating out factions more finely. As it is, many people just bandwagon their marines through whatever the best variation is at any given time.

I also think there's a lot of false diversity in the Marine codexes. You could come up with an excuse for any chapter to have some unique offering to it (and every time a new chapter gets some attention they always do). I'd hate to see further flanderization simply to perpetuate the unique snowflake concepts of these chapters.

What are you talking about?! Dog Wolfborn, riding his thunderwolf, with his wolfkin, and with dual wolf claws is my favourite Space Wolf! Yes, I agree.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Really? Everyone gets a cavalry option? Not only would that be arguably OP if they were equivalent with TWC, it'd butcher fluff. I could however see assault bikes instead with 2 wounds and t 5 if they wanted to make up for it.

Depends - if they were actually pointed correctly (shock) they would be fine if as you say to have assault bike/cavalry.

The fluff is butchered anyway with regards to Marines - Vanilla and Flavoured looking hard at Centurions and ."flavour units" plus the explosion of SM flyers.

Oh please.

We're talking about a setting where lost technology is found almost every day and immediately put back into production if it was for the Astartes. It's been that way for how long?

er never.

Most "new" SM vehicles were a result of wrangles with the Adeptus Mechanicus and took quite some time to appear following the actual discovery.

Sadly GW decided that rather than bring out a series of "fluff" units for many and varied Chapters they would just keep hammering away at the same old Chapters and make sillier and sillier flavoured units like Wolfs on a wolf sleigh being pulled by.......guess what Wolves,

Father Christmas Grimnar is the dumbest thing in any codex.

I feel that both Blood Angels and Dark Angels are easily assimilated into the vanilla codex. Space Wolves and Grey Knights are too unique, but the formers aren't.

 Griddlelol wrote:
Father Christmas Grimnar is the dumbest thing in any codex.

320 points of jolly christmas spirit! Hohoho!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Really? Everyone gets a cavalry option? Not only would that be arguably OP if they were equivalent with TWC, it'd butcher fluff. I could however see assault bikes instead with 2 wounds and t 5 if they wanted to make up for it.

Depends - if they were actually pointed correctly (shock) they would be fine if as you say to have assault bike/cavalry.

The fluff is butchered anyway with regards to Marines - Vanilla and Flavoured looking hard at Centurions and ."flavour units" plus the explosion of SM flyers.

Oh please.

We're talking about a setting where lost technology is found almost every day and immediately put back into production if it was for the Astartes. It's been that way for how long?

And it's not all SM who butchered the fluff. What about Eldorath and the rest of the Eldar, who can see everything happening forever and ever because reasons? Oh you were gonna stab me? Knew it.

There's a part of me that always wanted to make BA army or SW army. I plan to do it when I can set the time and money aside. BA have cool fluff and are unique enough to have their own book like SW and DA and GK.,

All they need is a better codex inline with Spacewolves. Not saying they need Black Rage / Red Thirst Vampire Magic super units like Wulfen, but maybe????

Should everyone in the army have access to Jump Packs, including unique HQ's? Yes.
Should BA Artificer armor provide a 6++ like SW Runic armor? Yes.
Should BA Lightning Claws be called Blood Talons, like dreads, give +1 Str - like wolf claws? Yes.
Should all BA with Jump packs get a rule that each model gets d3 hammer of wrath? Yes!
Should BA have access to Centurions? NO!
Should BA have access to Grav Cannons? NO!
Should BA be given a new weapon like SW did with Helfrost? YES! - How BA get a marine version of Death Spinners - Range 12", Str 6 AP - , Assault 2 - "Blood Boil" - When rolling To Wound for a weapon that has this special rule, use the target’s Initiative instead of its Toughness (note that the model’s Toughness is still used to determine whether an attack has the Instant Death special rule). In addition, if a 6 is rolled To Wound when attacking with a weapon that has this special rule, the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Should Libby Dreads be better or taken in a conclave? Yes.
Wouldn't it make more sense that Sanguinary priests be treated like Lone Wolves and have no Force Org Slot - allowing them to be taken as one per Troop/Fast/Elite unit taken. Or allow a SPriest to be taken by any infantry or bike or Jump pack unit as a sargent upgrade - FNP for all! YES!
Should the Sanguinor be an MC - Str 6, T6, W5 with FNP and move him to LOW - at his current price? YES!
Should the Techmarine HQ to take a TFC? YES!
Should Mephiston get a 4++ and Eternal warrior at his current price? Yes!

Does the army need a Command Squad, Sternguard Squad and Vanguard Veteran Squad? NO! Should those units be folded into 1 Elite squad that can pick and choose weapons and get some bonuses - Like wolf Guard? YES!
Do they need both types of Terminator Squads listed? No - Just give them Blood Terminators that can pick and choose weapons - Like wolf Guard terminators? Yes!
Should they get Cataphractii Terminators? Yes!
Should they get Super Vampires? Maybe! - or maybe buffs below to DC and Sanguinary Guard are enough coupled with the BA Jump pack buffs and ability to take a SPriest with any squad.
Do their Dreads need a point decrease and more attacks? Yes.
Do Furiosos and DC dreads need more distinctive abilities? Yes.
Should Lemartes be able to be taken as part of a DC upgrade, unit like Lukas the Trickster is for Blood Claws? Yes of course.
Should Sangiunary Guard's death masks give them a 4++ but cost 10ppm? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard's Axe give +3 Str AP2 and sword give +1Str Ap3 w/ Rending? Yes!
Should Sanguinary Guard have 2 wounds? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard be T5s? YES! - These effectively become TWC for BA
Should Death Company get Jump Packs for free? Yes!
Should Death Company get that Wulfen ability for 1 last strike the turn they die? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Blood Talons(as mentioned above)? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Storm Shields? Yes!
Should Death Company be T5? Yes! - These effectively become TWC for BA - albeit a different flavour

Should BA Assault Squads have access to all close combat weapon selections and stormshields? Yes
Should BA get Stormtalons and Stormhawks? YES!

That about does it. I made their codex competitive again. Bask in the glory. I want to buy this now

I say Dark Angels should be assimilated too. Back when the other 6 chapters literally used the same set of rules all the time there was at least a tangible reason for BA and DAs to get their own dex. Now that everyone has their own special rules and formations, there's not that much reason left to not assimilate them.

It'd also cut down on codex creep since one chapter won't be left out in the rain just because an update didn't come along.

The only two SM chapters that I think should be exempt are Space Wolves and Grey Knights, largely because of how different their organization is to vanilla marines.

Naaris wrote:
There's a part of me that always wanted to make BA army or SW army. I plan to do it when I can set the time and money aside. BA have cool fluff and are unique enough to have their own book like SW and DA and GK.,

All they need is a better codex inline with Spacewolves. Not saying they need Black Rage / Red Thirst Vampire Magic super units like Wulfen, but maybe????

Should everyone in the army have access to Jump Packs, including unique HQ's? Yes.
Should BA Artificer armor provide a 6++ like SW Runic armor? Yes.
Should BA Lightning Claws be called Blood Talons, like dreads, give +1 Str - like wolf claws? Yes.
Should all BA with Jump packs get a rule that each model gets d3 hammer of wrath? Yes!
Should BA have access to Centurions? NO!
Should BA have access to Grav Cannons? NO!
Should BA be given a new weapon like SW did with Helfrost? YES! - How BA get a marine version of Death Spinners - Range 12", Str 6 AP - , Assault 2 - "Blood Boil" - When rolling To Wound for a weapon that has this special rule, use the target’s Initiative instead of its Toughness (note that the model’s Toughness is still used to determine whether an attack has the Instant Death special rule). In addition, if a 6 is rolled To Wound when attacking with a weapon that has this special rule, the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Should Libby Dreads be better or taken in a conclave? Yes.
Wouldn't it make more sense that Sanguinary priests be treated like Lone Wolves and have no Force Org Slot - allowing them to be taken as one per Troop/Fast/Elite unit taken. Or allow a SPriest to be taken by any infantry or bike or Jump pack unit as a sargent upgrade - FNP for all! YES!
Should the Sanguinor be an MC - Str 6, T6, W5 with FNP and move him to LOW - at his current price? YES!
Should the Techmarine HQ to take a TFC? YES!
Should Mephiston get a 4++ and Eternal warrior at his current price? Yes!

Does the army need a Command Squad, Sternguard Squad and Vanguard Veteran Squad? NO! Should those units be folded into 1 Elite squad that can pick and choose weapons and get some bonuses - Like wolf Guard? YES!
Do they need both types of Terminator Squads listed? No - Just give them Blood Terminators that can pick and choose weapons - Like wolf Guard terminators? Yes!
Should they get Cataphractii Terminators? Yes!
Should they get Super Vampires? Maybe! - or maybe buffs below to DC and Sanguinary Guard are enough coupled with the BA Jump pack buffs and ability to take a SPriest with any squad.
Do their Dreads need a point decrease and more attacks? Yes.
Do Furiosos and DC dreads need more distinctive abilities? Yes.
Should Lemartes be able to be taken as part of a DC upgrade, unit like Lukas the Trickster is for Blood Claws? Yes of course.
Should Sangiunary Guard's death masks give them a 4++ but cost 10ppm? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard's Axe give +3 Str AP2 and sword give +1Str Ap3 w/ Rending? Yes!
Should Sanguinary Guard have 2 wounds? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard be T5s? YES! - These effectively become TWC for BA
Should Death Company get Jump Packs for free? Yes!
Should Death Company get that Wulfen ability for 1 last strike the turn they die? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Blood Talons(as mentioned above)? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Storm Shields? Yes!
Should Death Company be T5? Yes! - These effectively become TWC for BA - albeit a different flavour

Should BA Assault Squads have access to all close combat weapon selections and stormshields? Yes
Should BA get Stormtalons and Stormhawks? YES!

That about does it. I made their codex competitive again. Bask in the glory. I want to buy this now

I like most of this stuff, but can meqs function against Tau/Eldar without grav cannons? That's a legitimate question. Without a Wolfstar or Wulfenstar, and no grav cannons, these improvements seem rather hollow. The Riptide and WK still stomp all over us.

Naaris wrote:
There's a part of me that always wanted to make BA army or SW army. I plan to do it when I can set the time and money aside. BA have cool fluff and are unique enough to have their own book like SW and DA and GK.,

All they need is a better codex inline with Spacewolves. Not saying they need Black Rage / Red Thirst Vampire Magic super units like Wulfen, but maybe????

Should everyone in the army have access to Jump Packs, including unique HQ's? Yes.
Should BA Artificer armor provide a 6++ like SW Runic armor? Yes.
Should BA Lightning Claws be called Blood Talons, like dreads, give +1 Str - like wolf claws? Yes.
Should all BA with Jump packs get a rule that each model gets d3 hammer of wrath? Yes!
Should BA have access to Centurions? NO!
Should BA have access to Grav Cannons? NO!
Should BA be given a new weapon like SW did with Helfrost? YES! - How BA get a marine version of Death Spinners - Range 12", Str 6 AP - , Assault 2 - "Blood Boil" - When rolling To Wound for a weapon that has this special rule, use the target’s Initiative instead of its Toughness (note that the model’s Toughness is still used to determine whether an attack has the Instant Death special rule). In addition, if a 6 is rolled To Wound when attacking with a weapon that has this special rule, the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Should Libby Dreads be better or taken in a conclave? Yes.
Wouldn't it make more sense that Sanguinary priests be treated like Lone Wolves and have no Force Org Slot - allowing them to be taken as one per Troop/Fast/Elite unit taken. Or allow a SPriest to be taken by any infantry or bike or Jump pack unit as a sargent upgrade - FNP for all! YES!
Should the Sanguinor be an MC - Str 6, T6, W5 with FNP and move him to LOW - at his current price? YES!
Should the Techmarine HQ to take a TFC? YES!
Should Mephiston get a 4++ and Eternal warrior at his current price? Yes!

Does the army need a Command Squad, Sternguard Squad and Vanguard Veteran Squad? NO! Should those units be folded into 1 Elite squad that can pick and choose weapons and get some bonuses - Like wolf Guard? YES!
Do they need both types of Terminator Squads listed? No - Just give them Blood Terminators that can pick and choose weapons - Like wolf Guard terminators? Yes!
Should they get Cataphractii Terminators? Yes!
Should they get Super Vampires? Maybe! - or maybe buffs below to DC and Sanguinary Guard are enough coupled with the BA Jump pack buffs and ability to take a SPriest with any squad.
Do their Dreads need a point decrease and more attacks? Yes.
Do Furiosos and DC dreads need more distinctive abilities? Yes.
Should Lemartes be able to be taken as part of a DC upgrade, unit like Lukas the Trickster is for Blood Claws? Yes of course.
Should Sangiunary Guard's death masks give them a 4++ but cost 10ppm? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard's Axe give +3 Str AP2 and sword give +1Str Ap3 w/ Rending? Yes!
Should Sanguinary Guard have 2 wounds? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard be T5s? YES! - These effectively become TWC for BA
Should Death Company get Jump Packs for free? Yes!
Should Death Company get that Wulfen ability for 1 last strike the turn they die? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Blood Talons(as mentioned above)? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Storm Shields? Yes!
Should Death Company be T5? Yes! - These effectively become TWC for BA - albeit a different flavour

Should BA Assault Squads have access to all close combat weapon selections and stormshields? Yes
Should BA get Stormtalons and Stormhawks? YES!

That about does it. I made their codex competitive again. Bask in the glory. I want to buy this now

No, no, no and no.

This makes 0 sense. You're just cop pasting the space wolves codex onto the blood angels. Why are death company t5, same with the sang guard? Why should their artificer have a 6++? Why would they have a death spinner like weapon? All your doing is strapping upgrades onto stuff and giving them free gak to make them better.

Martel732 wrote:

Naaris wrote:
There's a part of me that always wanted to make BA army or SW army. I plan to do it when I can set the time and money aside. BA have cool fluff and are unique enough to have their own book like SW and DA and GK.,

All they need is a better codex inline with Spacewolves. Not saying they need Black Rage / Red Thirst Vampire Magic super units like Wulfen, but maybe????

Should everyone in the army have access to Jump Packs, including unique HQ's? Yes.
Should BA Artificer armor provide a 6++ like SW Runic armor? Yes.
Should BA Lightning Claws be called Blood Talons, like dreads, give +1 Str - like wolf claws? Yes.
Should all BA with Jump packs get a rule that each model gets d3 hammer of wrath? Yes!
Should BA have access to Centurions? NO!
Should BA have access to Grav Cannons? NO!
Should BA be given a new weapon like SW did with Helfrost? YES! - How BA get a marine version of Death Spinners - Range 12", Str 6 AP - , Assault 2 - "Blood Boil" - When rolling To Wound for a weapon that has this special rule, use the target’s Initiative instead of its Toughness (note that the model’s Toughness is still used to determine whether an attack has the Instant Death special rule). In addition, if a 6 is rolled To Wound when attacking with a weapon that has this special rule, the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Should Libby Dreads be better or taken in a conclave? Yes.
Wouldn't it make more sense that Sanguinary priests be treated like Lone Wolves and have no Force Org Slot - allowing them to be taken as one per Troop/Fast/Elite unit taken. Or allow a SPriest to be taken by any infantry or bike or Jump pack unit as a sargent upgrade - FNP for all! YES!
Should the Sanguinor be an MC - Str 6, T6, W5 with FNP and move him to LOW - at his current price? YES!
Should the Techmarine HQ to take a TFC? YES!
Should Mephiston get a 4++ and Eternal warrior at his current price? Yes!

Does the army need a Command Squad, Sternguard Squad and Vanguard Veteran Squad? NO! Should those units be folded into 1 Elite squad that can pick and choose weapons and get some bonuses - Like wolf Guard? YES!
Do they need both types of Terminator Squads listed? No - Just give them Blood Terminators that can pick and choose weapons - Like wolf Guard terminators? Yes!
Should they get Cataphractii Terminators? Yes!
Should they get Super Vampires? Maybe! - or maybe buffs below to DC and Sanguinary Guard are enough coupled with the BA Jump pack buffs and ability to take a SPriest with any squad.
Do their Dreads need a point decrease and more attacks? Yes.
Do Furiosos and DC dreads need more distinctive abilities? Yes.
Should Lemartes be able to be taken as part of a DC upgrade, unit like Lukas the Trickster is for Blood Claws? Yes of course.
Should Sangiunary Guard's death masks give them a 4++ but cost 10ppm? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard's Axe give +3 Str AP2 and sword give +1Str Ap3 w/ Rending? Yes!
Should Sanguinary Guard have 2 wounds? YES!
Should Sanguinary Guard be T5s? YES! - These effectively become TWC for BA
Should Death Company get Jump Packs for free? Yes!
Should Death Company get that Wulfen ability for 1 last strike the turn they die? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Blood Talons(as mentioned above)? Yes!
Should Death Company get access to Storm Shields? Yes!
Should Death Company be T5? Yes! - These effectively become TWC for BA - albeit a different flavour

Should BA Assault Squads have access to all close combat weapon selections and stormshields? Yes
Should BA get Stormtalons and Stormhawks? YES!

That about does it. I made their codex competitive again. Bask in the glory. I want to buy this now

I like most of this stuff, but can meqs function against Tau/Eldar without grav cannons? That's a legitimate question. Without a Wolfstar or Wulfenstar, and no grav cannons, these improvements seem rather hollow. The Riptide and WK still stomp all over us.

DUDE!!! OMG

DID you not see I gave you monfilament guns that you could take on Jump infantry that is proven to waste MCs. Those same Jump infantry would now be able to all jump in and attack those MC's with AP 2 weapons.

Do you run a bot that auto replies about grav cannons and riptides?