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 Mr Morden wrote:


Well as a Daemon primarch he can likely be used by several factions and maybe even games set around 30k - after or during Prospero Burns.

As with Genestealer Cults its refreshing to see GW not navel gazing and making just more and more Marines - usually of the same old Chapters.

I would think that they will sell very well - better than say a box of different coloured marines

Did they sell many Nagashm or Glotkin? And thats for a whole range that was dying.

That's why I bring it up, I really think one of the reasons Fantasy was killed is GW invested too much in (very very nice) expensive kits that players would buy one of at best. The flying Vampire throne ghost army thing for example.

A box of (dare I say it?) Battle Sisters or new IG or something might only have the same number of buyers but those buyers would get 5, 10 or 20 of them. The thought process for Maguns would be:

Do I play 40k?
Do I play Chaos marines?
Do I play 1000 Sons?
Do I want this?
Can I afford it?
Will it be effective in a game?

So you might not even get all of the 1k Son players out there.

Now there will be some people whose process is:

Damn this is sweet
I will buy it
I will start a new 1000 Sons army

But will there be enough to make this profitable?

I dunno.

I'd say GW knows what they're doing but Age of Sigmar says (SCREAMS!) otherwise.

Is it just me or is there the edge of a second, square based miniature on the right hand side of the image? Magnus is so far off centre on the image that it has to be a two model kit or he'd be front and centre.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK I'll ask...

An all plastic giant unique special character for an obscure faction of a currently underpower unpopular army?

How much did they invest in this?

I just don't understand the logic.

Yeah he's the first primarch to come from GW since Leman Russ back in the day, yeah he'll look pretty sweet but...

Can they really make money with a kit like this? A plastic Lord of Change with an alternate Magnus head wouldn't work?

It's entirely possible that one of the sprues in this kit will indeed be used for a plastic Lord of Change (and hopefully Fatweaver) box set. Similar to how the Bloodthirster was released, then Skarbrand, both kits share a common sprue.
Looking at this model, I can see several elements that would go well for a plastic LoC.
Why GW releases these big character kits by themselves instead of in 1 combined kit is beyond me.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Well as a Daemon primarch he can likely be used by several factions and maybe even games set around 30k - after or during Prospero Burns.

As with Genestealer Cults its refreshing to see GW not navel gazing and making just more and more Marines - usually of the same old Chapters.

I would think that they will sell very well - better than say a box of different coloured marines

Did they sell many Nagashm or Glotkin? And thats for a whole range that was dying.

That's why I bring it up, I really think one of the reasons Fantasy was killed is GW invested too much in (very very nice) expensive kits that players would buy one of at best. The flying Vampire throne ghost army thing for example.

A box of (dare I say it?) Battle Sisters or new IG or something might only have the same number of buyers but those buyers would get 5, 10 or 20 of them. The thought process for Maguns would be:

Do I play 40k?
Do I play Chaos marines?
Do I play 1000 Sons?
Do I want this?
Can I afford it?
Will it be effective in a game?

So you might not even get all of the 1k Son players out there.

Now there will be some people whose process is:

Damn this is sweet
I will buy it
I will start a new 1000 Sons army

But will there be enough to make this profitable?

I dunno.

I'd say GW knows what they're doing but Age of Sigmar says (SCREAMS!) otherwise.

Lahimarian throne is a dual kit- So far bought 3 I think - might have 4? - may have to get another one or two for conversions - one is already being done as part of a Dark Eldar superheavy.

I assumed that they needed to make less big kits to make a profit than small unit boxes?

I think quite a few of GW customers have a thought process of:

Does it look cool? Yeah I want it yesterday. They sell plenty of Ltd Edition Codexes and even I don't buy them.

I will buy it to make a diorama with Leman Russ

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK I'll ask...

An all plastic giant unique special character for an obscure faction of a currently underpower unpopular army?

How much did they invest in this?

Obscure faction of an unpopular army? Bruh, Chaos Space Marines are the main bad guy of the narrative. They always have been, always will be, and despite what their tabletop performance might say, CSM is a main selling point of 40k as a whole. And as far as traitor factions go, Thousand Sons are no more obscure than any other one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd say GW knows what they're doing but Age of Sigmar says (SCREAMS!) otherwise.

Then you haven't been paying attention. 2016 GW is vastly different (and superior) to 2015 GW.

I like the model but wished they would have minimized the horn nipples. I'm no prude but I just find them odd and a bit out of place regardless of the old blanche art.

I do like the nods to the Del Toro creature asthetics though (which probably were in turn inspired in part from 40k... the circle of inspiration is complete!).

What's going on in that corner? Why is there so much room on the box?

 eauxlune wrote:


What's going on in that corner? Why is there so much room on the box?

First instinct says that it might be some sort of familiar that it comes with, like how Azrael has the Watchers in the Dark.

Requizen wrote:

 eauxlune wrote:


What's going on in that corner? Why is there so much room on the box?

First instinct says that it might be some sort of familiar that it comes with, like how Azrael has the Watchers in the Dark.

Arhiman?

nah..

It's either the edge of the box, with a shruken magnus.


or its an alternate build for magnus, maybe pre deamon hood?

Triszin wrote:
It's either the edge of the box, with a shruken magnus.


or its an alternate build for magnus, maybe pre deamon hood?

I can see that.

I wonder if we will be getting a plastic Leman Russ on top of the FW one?

Wow wow wow

We knew it was coming, but dayum big red looks good. Looking forward to seeing what else comes alongside him.

 Ghaz wrote:
If the pic is real, it would indicate that Thousand Sons are now their own Faction.

The part that throws me off is the faction symbol. Not only does it not match what you would expect, but the fact that there even is one is weird to me. Neither the blood thirster nor skarbrand have a faction symbol.

 Roknar wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
If the pic is real, it would indicate that Thousand Sons are now their own Faction.

The part that throws me off is the faction symbol. Not only does it not match what you would expect, but the fact that there even is one is weird to me. Neither the blood thirster nor skarbrand have a faction symbol.

Both of those are in Age of Sigmar style boxes, labeled for use in both AoS and 40K. Since Magnus is strictly a 40K model he's in a 40K style box.

Uh oh.

Gonna be buying that one... For sure.

I think it's the side of the Box with Part of the Base cut off so it looks like a rectangular base.
the Text is not in the Middleton of the Box like on the currently Kits, But the Background colo strongly implies that there is indem the edle of the cover

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK I'll ask...

An all plastic giant unique special character for an obscure faction of a currently underpower unpopular army?

How much did they invest in this?

I just don't understand the logic.

Yeah he's the first primarch to come from GW since Leman Russ back in the day, yeah he'll look pretty sweet but...

Can they really make money with a kit like this? A plastic Lord of Change with an alternate Magnus head wouldn't work?

Outside of game rules the Thousand Sons / Magnus are in many ways the most iconic of the patron specific legions. There are more books about them, and more interest in the backstory of Magnus using sorcery to warn the Emperor and the aftermath of all that than any of the other god specific legions have in the 40k setting. They are also from many standpoints the most benign topic of "chaos" to market to kids in the world today. Yeah they have the worst unit in the 40k book (rubric marines are just bad...) but that doesn't mean it will always be that way. With the upcoming 30k release and GW taking the past 30k releases and making many of the units usable in 40k officially, its very possible new units will have to be made for the 30k boxed game which will have to not be totally terribad and they will be ported to 40k. That with cults/daemons/formations could make for a decent 40k army kind of thousand sons version of KDK.

Interest in armies is mostly based on having good rules, the reason SMs sale so well is mostly driven by they have so many useful formations/units where some armies just plain don't. Anyone is more likely to sale models if the rules are good, than if you have bad rules(non competitive) where you will get hobbyists and people who really like the background for that army- but that's a small demographic.

imagine if GSC were released with a 7th edition codex which was more dark eldar/ork quality. You would get some people to buy them because background / new models. However you wouldn't get as many to buy them as if you realeased them with good rules.

The point of which is, from a background standpoint many people are interested in the thousand sons. From a game play standpoint, they aren't because there are few unit options and they are all bad outside of daemons. If you gave them good unit options, you have a good chance to have a well selling army.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
If the pic is real, it would indicate that Thousand Sons are now their own Faction.

The part that throws me off is the faction symbol. Not only does it not match what you would expect, but the fact that there even is one is weird to me. Neither the blood thirster nor skarbrand have a faction symbol.

Both of those are in Age of Sigmar style boxes, labeled for use in both AoS and 40K. Since Magnus is strictly a 40K model he's in a 40K style box.

I guess it might actually be legit then. Though that makes me wonder. We already saw the the art for the next fenris book. I can't imagine they would feature more tzeentch daemons in the book, nor can I see them introducing a new faction/codex in a campaign book.
So I wonder from when this picture is, assuming it's legit. And if this really means that we'd get a new codex. They don't seem to have a problem giving us new codices, so what does that mean for fenris part two?

Maybe TS rules in the Campaign Book AND a new Codex?

Feels odd having models for the Primarchs (demon or not) from GW. Time are changing.

Has anyone dismantled the QR code on that yet?

Is there a release schedule for this month rumored yet? That is from this week till the Prospero box at the end of the month? I wonder where ol Magnus fits in 2016.

I don't really like the model.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Well as a Daemon primarch he can likely be used by several factions and maybe even games set around 30k - after or during Prospero Burns.

As with Genestealer Cults its refreshing to see GW not navel gazing and making just more and more Marines - usually of the same old Chapters.

I would think that they will sell very well - better than say a box of different coloured marines

Did they sell many Nagashm or Glotkin? And thats for a whole range that was dying.

That's why I bring it up, I really think one of the reasons Fantasy was killed is GW invested too much in (very very nice) expensive kits that players would buy one of at best. The flying Vampire throne ghost army thing for example.

A box of (dare I say it?) Battle Sisters or new IG or something might only have the same number of buyers but those buyers would get 5, 10 or 20 of them. The thought process for Maguns would be:

Do I play 40k?
Do I play Chaos marines?
Do I play 1000 Sons?
Do I want this?
Can I afford it?
Will it be effective in a game?

So you might not even get all of the 1k Son players out there.

Now there will be some people whose process is:

Damn this is sweet
I will buy it
I will start a new 1000 Sons army

But will there be enough to make this profitable?

I dunno.

I'd say GW knows what they're doing but Age of Sigmar says (SCREAMS!) otherwise.

Your logic makes no sense to me. This is the kind of model that make people want to start a Thousand Sons Army. I already have plenty of started army and i'll have to start another one just because, plastic daemon primarch! People don't just play one army anymore, that's the ultra competitive people, which are now a minority imo.

This will do me I have an ever growing 30k Legion that I might use also in 40k....plus would make a great deamon prince for my Warriors of Chaos as well, nothing worse than rolling a 12 on the 'eye of the gods' table and not having a deamon!

That model is beautiful. I had low expectations about their ability to modernize the old daemon Magnus. They definitely pulled it off.

It would be funny if he had a little familiar with him that was similar to the old Epic model. Kinda then and now.

If they bring out a Daemon Mortarion, my wallet's going to hurt

Omg. Omg. Omg.

What kind of rules would he have? Mastery Level 9?