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I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

macluvin wrote:
I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

That would also potentially save the Champion if he rolled the 66 and became a Daemon Prince.

XD would that work with a melta bomb?.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

That would also potentially save the Champion if he rolled the 66 and became a Daemon Prince.

Would that work with a melta bomb? Still, a champion being slain, and in his dying breath upon the floor, only to punch some space marine captain in the crotch so hard he dies, watching as his vanquished foe arises, now more powerful than ever before… i can not get that image out of my head.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Why would that be?

King Pariah wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Just wait til you come across that one gak head who loads his dice. Abuse unlike any other.

People have to cheat playing with plastic toy soldiers? How pathetic.

Davor wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Why would that be?

King Pariah wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Just wait til you come across that one gak head who loads his dice. Abuse unlike any other.

People have to cheat playing with plastic toy soldiers? How pathetic.

I think if you have to account for your opponent being a cheating gak head, you already are prepped for losing.

Many Heads of the Hydra will lead to lots and lots of small squads of CSM. Which is exactly what the Alpha Legion would do. It is fluffy as hell while still being effective. It becomes crazy if you get Warlord traits that have single use abilities since you generate a new Trait each time the Warlord is replaced. It sounds fun as hell.

macluvin wrote:
XD would that work with a melta bomb?.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

That would also potentially save the Champion if he rolled the 66 and became a Daemon Prince.

Would that work with a melta bomb? Still, a champion being slain, and in his dying breath upon the floor, only to punch some space marine captain in the crotch so hard he dies, watching as his vanquished foe arises, now more powerful than ever before… i can not get that image out of my head.

Not sure what a meltabomb has to do with this?

It's the EC Legion rules - dies, strikes at the end of that current Initiative Step (which potentially overrides Unwieldy), kills character, rolls, Ascends.

Hell of an image and makes Emperor's Children champions a terrifying concept.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Davor wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Why would that be?

King Pariah wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Just wait til you come across that one gak head who loads his dice. Abuse unlike any other.

People have to cheat playing with plastic toy soldiers? How pathetic.

I think if you have to account for your opponent being a cheating gak head, you already are prepped for losing.

Many Heads of the Hydra will lead to lots and lots of small squads of CSM. Which is exactly what the Alpha Legion would do. It is fluffy as hell while still being effective. It becomes crazy if you get Warlord traits that have single use abilities since you generate a new Trait each time the Warlord is replaced. It sounds fun as hell.

Hah. Lots and lots of small squads of CSM is thinking too small.

"Many Heads of the Hydra" applies to any Character from an Alpha Legion Detachment or Formation.

Cultist Champions are Characters.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Davor wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Why would that be?

King Pariah wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
People are gonna abuse the hell out of that Many Heads of the Hydra rule, aren't they?

Just wait til you come across that one gak head who loads his dice. Abuse unlike any other.

People have to cheat playing with plastic toy soldiers? How pathetic.

I think if you have to account for your opponent being a cheating gak head, you already are prepped for losing.

Many Heads of the Hydra will lead to lots and lots of small squads of CSM. Which is exactly what the Alpha Legion would do. It is fluffy as hell while still being effective. It becomes crazy if you get Warlord traits that have single use abilities since you generate a new Trait each time the Warlord is replaced. It sounds fun as hell.

Hah. Lots and lots of small squads of CSM is thinking too small.

"Many Heads of the Hydra" applies to any Character from an Alpha Legion Detachment or Formation.

Cultist Champions are Characters.

Cultist Champion (Warlord) dies. You roll a 4+ for TLatD formation bonus, and a 4+ for ALIF detachment bonus. Two Cultist units go into reserve, both of whom can become Warlord.

This is going to become stupid.

Many Heads of the Hydra sounds absolutely nuts, and pretty fluffy too.

Jeez, that is going to be awesome! Neverending Warlords!

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
XD would that work with a melta bomb?.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

That would also potentially save the Champion if he rolled the 66 and became a Daemon Prince.

Would that work with a melta bomb? Still, a champion being slain, and in his dying breath upon the floor, only to punch some space marine captain in the crotch so hard he dies, watching as his vanquished foe arises, now more powerful than ever before… i can not get that image out of my head.

Not sure what a meltabomb has to do with this?

It's the EC Legion rules - dies, strikes at the end of that current Initiative Step (which potentially overrides Unwieldy), kills character, rolls, Ascends.

Hell of an image and makes Emperor's Children champions a terrifying concept.

I thought there was a rule in some obscure place for melta bombs saying you cant be trying to melta bomb certain units like infantry. I can be very very wrong on that though. The fact that a champion with a 5 point upgrade has just over a 25% chance of ID a T4 model… not accounting for invuln saves or eternal warrior, of course. Not a bad 5 point upgrade for a unit that wants to get into combat, like slaaneshi CSM squads.

macluvin wrote:
I thought there was a rule in some obscure place for melta bombs saying you cant be trying to melta bomb certain units like infantry. I can be very very wrong on that though.

If by obscure you mean in the rules for melta bombs which tell you what unit types the may be used against.

Requizen wrote:
Cultist Champion (Warlord) dies. You roll a 4+ for TLatD formation bonus, and a 4+ for ALIF detachment bonus. Two Cultist units go into reserve, both of whom can become Warlord.

This is going to become stupid.

Wait what? You can double roll for a destroyed cultist unit to get them to come back twice!?

Please someone confirm.

macluvin wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
XD would that work with a melta bomb?.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

macluvin wrote:
I just realized that an EC power fist champion can eat a challenge for your IC and leave a nasty surprise for your enemy :p not worth the points but it would be hilarious to watch a space marine IC take the challeng to get Instant Deathed by a lucky dying champions fist…

That would also potentially save the Champion if he rolled the 66 and became a Daemon Prince.

Would that work with a melta bomb? Still, a champion being slain, and in his dying breath upon the floor, only to punch some space marine captain in the crotch so hard he dies, watching as his vanquished foe arises, now more powerful than ever before… i can not get that image out of my head.

Not sure what a meltabomb has to do with this?

It's the EC Legion rules - dies, strikes at the end of that current Initiative Step (which potentially overrides Unwieldy), kills character, rolls, Ascends.

Hell of an image and makes Emperor's Children champions a terrifying concept.

I thought there was a rule in some obscure place for melta bombs saying you cant be trying to melta bomb certain units like infantry. I can be very very wrong on that though. The fact that a champion with a 5 point upgrade has just over a 25% chance of ID a T4 model… not accounting for invuln saves or eternal warrior, of course. Not a bad 5 point upgrade for a unit that wants to get into combat, like slaaneshi CSM squads.

Reread the original post.

Power Fist.

It's literally been quoted every single time.

Power Fist

With deathguard you have to give everyone who can take it, the mark of nurgle. Straightforward enough. However if I take typhus and want some plague zombies it says that I cannot upgrade the cultists at all. So no mark of nurgle, therefore no deathguard rules for my whole army.

Am I missing something?

Do I really have to pay an extra 70pts for my 35 cultists, then another 20pts for the artifact on another chaos lord in order to use my zombies that were supposed to be a free upgrade?

Anyone in a DG army that can take mark of Nurgle must do so, plague zombies can't take any upgrades including mark of Nurgle. Plague zombies aren't forced to take MoN because their rule means they aren't allowed to.

So you can take plague zombies in your DG army.

Also cultists dont get DG benifits since those are tied to VotLW

Throwing in my two cents
My only complaint about the new thousand sons models is the prices. I live in Australia so I have to pay three times what everyone else does. That Magnus model is worth more than my car

With these books being out now gonna lock this.

Related discussion can of course carry on in the appropriate board.