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I doubt my parents are going to be sticking with this one. It's hopefully a long ways off, but they want their ashes scattered here:



And I can't think of a better place.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Checked the "Donate Whole Body" on my driver's license...if they'll have it! Once you've moved on, who gives a feth what happens to the decaying bits. Also, my wife's a doctor, so I'm empathetic to helping out the medical sciences.

EDIT: I wonder what the church says about altruistic efforts regarding the corpus humanus? Eh, don't care.

I think that most of the main religions regard organ donation as something to be applauded. This is trying to remember way back to organ donation leaflets I read whilst waiting for hospital appointments, though

Pretty much yes. Either "go for it" or "it is up for the individual to decide whether he/she wants". Out of all religions I have studied don't know one that would have negative view on it.

tneva82 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Checked the "Donate Whole Body" on my driver's license...if they'll have it! Once you've moved on, who gives a feth what happens to the decaying bits. Also, my wife's a doctor, so I'm empathetic to helping out the medical sciences.

EDIT: I wonder what the church says about altruistic efforts regarding the corpus humanus? Eh, don't care.

I think that most of the main religions regard organ donation as something to be applauded. This is trying to remember way back to organ donation leaflets I read whilst waiting for hospital appointments, though

Pretty much yes. Either "go for it" or "it is up for the individual to decide whether he/she wants". Out of all religions I have studied don't know one that would have negative view on it.

Seen a couple medical drama episodes on this (House, Grey's Anatomy), but the only ones I can find are some Orthodox Jews, Gypsies, and some Muslims.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18555116

http://donatelifecalifornia.org/education/faqs/religious-views-on-organ-donation/

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I think that most of the main religions regard organ donation as something to be applauded. This is trying to remember way back to organ donation leaflets I read whilst waiting for hospital appointments, though

I'd say you're right anyways. There's a few fringe (Christian) cults that frown on it, but many of them think it's quite OK if one of their guys get a donated organ. Key being one of their guys - donating their own stuff to people like you and me is a big no-no.

Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

I'd guess it's cheaper, but also when the world floods due to global warming we won't have to swim through all the caskets like we constantly see in New Orleans.

Told my lot to "Dig a big hole in the garden, and put me in it. Then plant an apple tree there, with two benches." So they can sit there and talk to me. Might as'well bring me their troubles when I'm dead, as they do now.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

I'd guess it's cheaper, but also when the world floods due to global warming we won't have to swim through all the caskets like we constantly see in New Orleans.

Also you can still bury the remains after cremation but the plots are smaller so you can fit more into a cemetery.

This reminds me of the notion that barring non-Catholics from the Eucharist is offensive. Why does anyone not in communion with the Catholic Church feel entitled to or even desire to receive communion in the Catholic Church? I can't speak for other faiths, but being Catholic entails accepting a whole body of tradition that is much older, broader, and more significant than individual preferences or opinions. As to the particulars, these kind of rulings can be dispensed when they would result in some larger incongruence.

Tell some people that they can't do something, and all they want is to do it. *shrug*

 gorgon wrote:
Tell some people that they can't do something, and all they want is to do it. *shrug*

That's because the human species will always have those 'contrarian' elements...

Or...

“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”


― H.L. Mencken, Prejudices: First Series

ARRGH!

 gorgon wrote:
Tell some people that they can't do something, and all they want is to do it. *shrug*

No doubt that is true - but I think it is also a matter of misunderstanding things. How many folks understand that communion is more than a symbol of "togetherness" or whatever? (Even some Christians think that is far as it goes.) Similarly, how many folks understand Christian burial as an act of mercy and hope in the context of an ancient cultural vocabulary? - as opposed to, for example, yet another customizable "life event" focused on self-expression, like how many (most?) people treat weddings.

 Manchu wrote:
This reminds me of the notion that barring non-Catholics from the Eucharist is offensive. Why does anyone not in communion with the Catholic Church feel entitled to or even desire to receive communion in the Catholic Church?

Well, it's a pretty central ritual in all or most Christian denominations. As long as the ritual itself doesn't require you to do something Catholic-specific it would be both generous and polite to let other Christians take part. YMMV ofc.

 gorgon wrote:
Tell some people that they can't do something, and all they want is to do it. *shrug*

Like teenagers and smoking!

Spetulhu wrote:
As long as the ritual itself doesn't require you to do something Catholic-specific

But that's exactly what it is all about. As I mentioned,

 Manchu wrote:
How many folks understand that communion is more than a symbol of "togetherness" or whatever? (Even some Christians think that is as far as it goes.)

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

1. Its bloody cheaper. No hyper expensive casket. No hyper expensive plot. By cheaper I mean $5k - $10k cheaper.
2. No way someone's ing with you after. No one's digging you up to play with your bones. There's a mausoleum in downtown NO thats all torn to hell (thanks Katrina) with remains floating away. I had several generations of family in it.
3. Portable-you place the remains literally anywhere the person wanted.
4. You can make yourself into bullets to shoot at your enemies. From Hell's Depths I stab at THEE!
5. It beats freaking out the garbage crews with new "interesting" discoveries ("just leave me propped up on the curb. I won't care and it will scare the trash collectors" - Mamma Frazzled).

 Frazzled wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

1. Its bloody cheaper. No hyper expensive casket. No hyper expensive plot. By cheaper I mean $5k - $10k cheaper.
2. No way someone's ing with you after. No one's digging you up to play with your bones. There's a mausoleum in downtown NO thats all torn to hell (thanks Katrina) with remains floating away. I had several generations of family in it.
3. Portable-you place the remains literally anywhere the person wanted.
4. You can make yourself into bullets to shoot at your enemies. From Hell's Depths I stab at THEE!
5. It beats freaking out the garbage crews with new "interesting" discoveries ("just leave me propped up on the curb. I won't care and it will scare the trash collectors" - Mamma Frazzled).

You've at least got to give your skull to someone..."Alas, poor Frazzled! I knew him, Horatio..."

The Catholic Church is so removed from Christs teachings it's hard to even blink at silly rules like this one. They're a corporation looking to squeeze more cash from a shrinking following. Like GW!

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The Catholic Church is so removed from Christs teachings it's hard to even blink at silly rules like this one. They're a corporation looking to squeeze more cash from a shrinking following. Like GW!

As much as I enjoy bashing the Catholic Church, they're just a newcomer in a long line of con men. Religion has long been used to suppress and control people, going back to the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Macedonians.

It's great to be religious or spiritual, but be wary listening to anyone who claims to hear the voice of God.

sirlynchmob wrote:
scattering the ashes is so last millennia, now days your ashes can be turned into a jewel or even a tree. I like the tree option myself.

I would love to be tree food when i die. so i can come back and ruin everyones foundations..

also a diamond would be super cool.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Silly sods.
Making rules about ashes when it is clear that cremation itself is heretical!
For how will your body rise on Judgement Day when it is all burned up eh?



Okay, back to seriousness. Cremations seems to become more and more popular, so what are the reasons people would prefer cremation over burial? Just a question I am interested in.

I'd guess it's cheaper, but also when the world floods due to global warming we won't have to swim through all the caskets like we constantly see in New Orleans.

Also you can still bury the remains after cremation but the plots are smaller so you can fit more into a cemetery.

Frazzled wrote:
1. Its bloody cheaper. No hyper expensive casket. No hyper expensive plot. By cheaper I mean $5k - $10k cheaper.
2. No way someone's ing with you after. No one's digging you up to play with your bones. There's a mausoleum in downtown NO thats all torn to hell (thanks Katrina) with remains floating away. I had several generations of family in it.
3. Portable-you place the remains literally anywhere the person wanted.
4. You can make yourself into bullets to shoot at your enemies. From Hell's Depths I stab at THEE!
5. It beats freaking out the garbage crews with new "interesting" discoveries ("just leave me propped up on the curb. I won't care and it will scare the trash collectors" - Mamma Frazzled).

So, apart from remains washing away (which is not a problem outside of frequently flooded areas) it is mostly for reasons of economics? Interesting. I think it'd be interesting to see what the popularity of cremations is in rural areas vs urban areas, since in rural areas costs for burials are much lower.

Personally, I would want to be buried somewhere in the wilderness, along with some grave goods and a big grave hill on top. Let's mess with the archeologists

3. Portable-you place the remains literally anywhere the person wanted.

You forgot this. This allows a person to go where THEY want, and not just some graveyard.

 BigWaaagh wrote:

You've at least got to give your skull to someone...

The Blue Raja: Sorry, but am I to understand you've inserted your father's skull inside of that ball for bowling?
The Bowler: No, the guy at the pro shop did it.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The Catholic Church is so removed from Christs teachings it's hard to even blink at silly rules like this one. They're a corporation looking to squeeze more cash from a shrinking following.

 jreilly89 wrote:
As much as I enjoy bashing the Catholic Church, they're just a newcomer in a long line of con men.

You guys sound like teenagers explaining why you should get to sleep in on Sunday mornings.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I would want to be buried somewhere in the wilderness, along with some grave goods and a big grave hill on top. Let's mess with the archeologists

I saw a buddy of mine throw a fistful of pennies out of the car window into a ditch. When I asked why he did it, he replied "archaeology job creation."

To me, the economic considerations related to cremation seem ... dystopian. At the risk of sounding Swiftian, surely selling off the corpses of loved ones to a cat food factory could be even more cost effective/eco-friendly. One also wonders whether, if ashes scattering does become the principle means of disposing of the departed, whether regulations will eventually pop up, perhaps ultimately leading to some kind of land fill.

 Ouze wrote:
Just did an impromptu questionnaire at work, no one has ever heard of keeping the cremains (not that I'm saying there is anything wrong with it, it just seems uncommon).

We scattered my dad's ashes. We're not religious though. Seems like kind of a silly rule, but I guess that's what you get.

My mom, along with all of her siblingsm has two small urns with ashes from her father and mother, respectively. The rest of the ashes were buried near family members in Virginia.

Also, this:

 Manchu wrote:

To me, the economic considerations related to cremation seem ... dystopian. At the risk of sounding Swiftian, surely selling off the corpses of loved ones to a cat food factory could be even more cost effective/eco-friendly.

If the Church cares about human remains perhaps Holy Mother Church should fund the funeral and burial expenses of those adherents too poor to afford a proper Catholic burial. You know, so the poors don't have to go selling their corpses to Purina and such.

But no, that is all silly. Instead families should go into debt in order to placate the Vatican and put dead meat into the ground.

Dioceses and parishes actually do often help with burial expenses for the needy ...

 Manchu wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The Catholic Church is so removed from Christs teachings it's hard to even blink at silly rules like this one. They're a corporation looking to squeeze more cash from a shrinking following.

 jreilly89 wrote:
As much as I enjoy bashing the Catholic Church, they're just a newcomer in a long line of con men.

You guys sound like teenagers explaining why you should get to sleep in on Sunday mornings.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I would want to be buried somewhere in the wilderness, along with some grave goods and a big grave hill on top. Let's mess with the archeologists

I saw a buddy of mine throw a fistful of pennies out of the car window into a ditch. When I asked why he did it, he replied "archaeology job creation."

To me, the economic considerations related to cremation seem ... dystopian. At the risk of sounding Swiftian, surely selling off the corpses of loved ones to a cat food factory could be even more cost effective/eco-friendly. One also wonders whether, if ashes scattering does become the principle means of disposing of the departed, whether regulations will eventually pop up, perhaps ultimately leading to some kind of land fill.

You can't sell your relatives to the cat factory. I'd love it. I'd be so bitter their little cat heads would explain. SUFFER NOT THE CAT TO LIVE.

There are already laws in some jurisdictions. People pay them no mind.
Our church (catholic without the Spanish) has its own dustbin wall as I call it, and I'd proffer at least two hundred people have been off the cliff it overlooks or onto the grounds. Adds a little extra kick to the annual hotdog burn.

 Manchu wrote:
Dioceses and parishes actually do often help with burial expenses for the needy ...

That's good to know, but the word often suggests that it isn't a consistent practice, yes? So, I am still not impressed.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
the word often suggests that it isn't a consistent practice, yes?

I only say "often" because the Church provides a huge amount of aid of all kinds to all ages of people, yes even including dead ones, but it's not like a government grant, like Medicaid or something, and I suspect it is handled differently in different places with special emphasis on the particular circumstances in question. If you aren't impressed with the amount of services the Catholic Church provides, it is probably because you are ignorant of them - which doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on you, these things are not really advertised like most do-gooding. But just assuming the opposite is pretty shameful.