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Anyone else notice the Visarch has ears on his helmet?
I'm not sure if I like that or not.

I really like them.

I know some people don't like the avatar, but I like the whole archaic aspect. I've always been a fan of the dark eldar and the harlequins and the various surviving subsets of the eldar that still populate the webway, and I've never liked anything about the craftworlders, and the models are very dark/twilight looking.

I really like how the avatar is kinda necrotic and decaying, just like the eldar race.

If anything I like Malys the least, I just feel the sword is way too large, but I still can't wait to use all three of them in game.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Just a bunch of twiggy panzees.

Honestly, though, the one with all the green swirly crap looks too busy, and is falling into the AOS problem of looking nice, but being a nightmare to transport and use.

Lady with the cat looks a little plain, but the guy in red armor looks decent.

AoS problem?

B*tch please, that's been the Dark Eldar's thing since before AoS was a twinkle in a marketing managers' eye

Jokes of course

 Insectum7 wrote:
Not a big fan of the Avatar and the swirly powers.

The red guy is pretty classic Eldar Phoenix Lord looking, and I'm a fan.

The Cat Lady is really unexpected and different, but maybe in a good way? There's a certain gravitas to it that's growing on me.

Exactly my thoughts when I first saw them. 'Red guy looks decent, Avatar guy looks like a discordant mess, and initial reaction was I was intrigued by no-Malys but couldn't work out why'.

Then I saw that not-Malys was barefoot, walking across the battlefield on her tiptoes. I saw how quasi-daemonic the Avatar guy looked, and how well that fits with the nascent fluff.

They've massively grown on me and now I couldn't be more excited

 Galef wrote:
Anyone else notice the Visarch has ears on his helmet?
I'm not sure if I like that or not.

First thing I thought when I saw his pic is 'those weird bat-ear things are getting clipped right off...but otherwise he's really cool!'

 gummyofallbears wrote:
I really like them.

I know some people don't like the avatar, but I like the whole archaic aspect. I've always been a fan of the dark eldar and the harlequins and the various surviving subsets of the eldar that still populate the webway, and I've never liked anything about the craftworlders, and the models are very dark/twilight looking.

I really like how the avatar is kinda necrotic and decaying, just like the eldar race.

If anything I like Malys the least, I just feel the sword is way too large, but I still can't wait to use all three of them in game.

Yeah I love the little touches on the Ynneadvatar, and anything that makes the craftworld eldar look more alien (as they should be) is brilliant by me

He is a very busy model, but I'm convinced that with the right paintjob that will be a non-issue

The only thing I'm iffy about on not-Malys is the massive train on her dress. At the risk of ruining a model in a £50 box-set I think I'll try cutting it of...

As is said by a great many people who later end up in A&E: 'trust me, I have a plan!'

Not-Malys will make a good Malys. Pity she hasn't got rules any more Her dress is a little poof-y but the model is growing on my.

The Sword of Ynnead simply looks like a kitbash. I could make almost the exact same model with an Incubi, a Dire Avenger Exarch, the oblong harlequins masks that come with their vehicles and a greenstuff fur on any old cloak. Nothing about the model screams unique to me.

The Avatar has the problem that upon seeing it I thought it was a keeper of secrets. And with a little converting I could make a hell'a fancy Keeper of Secrets out of the model. But as an Eldar model I'm not sure it fits, it certainly wouldn't fit in alongside my Dark Eldar or my Harlequins.

Does anyone else think the Ynneavatar has a face that looks a bit like David Bowie?

I like them all - again being blown away with the direction here.

Worth to notice there is an Avatar on display right now at warhammer world wielding dual daggers, instead rune and swrod, so several build options may be a posibility.

Lord Perversor wrote:
Worth to notice there is an Avatar on display right now at warhammer world wielding dual daggers, instead rune and swrod, so several build options may be a posibility.

Which is encouraging for those thinking that Visarch is Yriel. Maybe an alternate hand comes with the kit that has the Spear of Twilight and GW just doesn't want to reveal that yet.

An interesting side note for me is that the Ynnead Avatar matches my Khaine Avatar conversion in size and pose:

I love the Visarch. He looks hardcore and I can't wait to see him knock some heads in the fluff.

Yvraine I was initially not sure about, but I've decided I really like how impractically-dressed she is for combat. It's great. "Imma just walk into battle in this giant dress with no shoes on and all you mon-keigh better get out of the way cos the swag queen is incoming." I mean, she even brought her cat into battle like some kind of cliché supervillain. I wonder if she likes to sit down and pet it menacingly while talking to people.

The Yncarne is very busy, but I like it, I think it'll look properly menacing if you give it a paint scheme with plenty of black and dark colours.

I like all three of them.. for some reason I look at the avatar as if it is captured in the process of manifesting itself..

 Iron Angel wrote:
I like all three of them.. for some reason I look at the avatar as if it is captured in the process of manifesting itself..

Exactly.

Also, maybe the reason the avatar looks like slannesh is not because the eldar are going to slannesh, but its because slannesh looks eldar-ey. They did create her after all

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Not-Malys will make a good Malys. Pity she hasn't got rules any more Her dress is a little poof-y but the model is growing on my.

The Sword of Ynnead simply looks like a kitbash. I could make almost the exact same model with an Incubi, a Dire Avenger Exarch, the oblong harlequins masks that come with their vehicles and a greenstuff fur on any old cloak. Nothing about the model screams unique to me.

The Avatar has the problem that upon seeing it I thought it was a keeper of secrets. And with a little converting I could make a hell'a fancy Keeper of Secrets out of the model. But as an Eldar model I'm not sure it fits, it certainly wouldn't fit in alongside my Dark Eldar or my Harlequins.

Oh 'not-Malys' is a jibe at the fact that it blatantly is Malys...but they've called her a different name because Shyamalan twist!

I'll agree with you on the kitbashy feel of not-Yriel, but I see absolutely no problem with that. He's supposed to be a character that's a blending of all three Eldar cultures (everyone neglects exodites :( ), so it's fitting that he looks like a blend of all their parts. I'd have liked to have seen a little more dynamism to the model, but that's my only gripe. However, given my views on the validity of kitbashes I might be the wrong person to talk to about that: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/715172.page#9154385

I still think the issue with the Ynneadvatar is the colour palette. Paint it in bleached bone rather than Slaaneshi pink and you've got your Avatar of the Dead 'til then, it would definitely make an awesome Keeper of Secrets

 Swabby wrote:
Does anyone else think the Ynneavatar has a face that looks a bit like David Bowie?

Haha! You're right! Someone has to paint him as Ziggy Stardust...

 Galef wrote:

Lord Perversor wrote:
Worth to notice there is an Avatar on display right now at warhammer world wielding dual daggers, instead rune and swrod, so several build options may be a posibility.

Which is encouraging for those thinking that Visarch is Yriel. Maybe an alternate hand comes with the kit that has the Spear of Twilight and GW just doesn't want to reveal that yet.

An interesting side note for me is that the Ynnead Avatar matches my Khaine Avatar conversion in size and pose:

Spoiler:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fZAnC2Uc1a8/V4qYhKU_B3I/AAAAAAAABVU/iQ8cxDJGoz0Z1KnFH_twWaSGu2zAFlNlwCLcB/s1600/children%2Bof%2BKhaine.jpg

Ahead of the curve very nice

I'm hoping there's an alternative weapon option with the Spear of Twilight. It's blatantly Yriel, would make no sense to magic up someone other than Yriel, and the Spear of Twilight is pretty integral to his character.

Question is, if the Ynneadvatar has weapon options, not-Yriel has weapon options, does that mean that not-Malys has too?

 Robin5t wrote:
I love the Visarch. He looks hardcore and I can't wait to see him knock some heads in the fluff.

Yvraine I was initially not sure about, but I've decided I really like how impractically-dressed she is for combat. It's great. "Imma just walk into battle in this giant dress with no shoes on and all you mon-keigh better get out of the way cos the swag queen is incoming." I mean, she even brought her cat into battle like some kind of cliché supervillain. I wonder if she likes to sit down and pet it menacingly while talking to people.

The Yncarne is very busy, but I like it, I think it'll look properly menacing if you give it a paint scheme with plenty of black and dark colours.

I'm with you on not-Yriel and the Ynneadvatar

Absolutely with you on the swag-queen as well there's actually tons of menace in her pose which is really nice I'm imagining her walzing up the battlefield, doing that weird sort of stop-step that brides do down the aisle. Then, when she gets close to the bewildered mon'keigh, she leaps forward in a hissing frenzy and dices them with her Huskblade

One of the things that's helping my suspension of disbelief re: the impracticality of the dress is that it could be quick-release walks up like a bride, and then leaps out of the dress like a screaming latex-clad, drug-fuelled, S&M space elf murder-ninja

Dude in the armour is cool, but the one in the hoop skirt and corset looks stupid. Steampunk fashions are supposed to be the humans' thing.

On the fence about the floaty one. Not enthusiastic enough about them to get the full box.

 gummyofallbears wrote:

 Iron Angel wrote:
I like all three of them.. for some reason I look at the avatar as if it is captured in the process of manifesting itself..

Exactly.

Also, maybe the reason the avatar looks like slannesh is not because the eldar are going to slannesh, but its because slannesh looks eldar-ey. They did create her after all

Yeah I love how deep the Slaanesh references run in eldar fluff. Makes for a fantastically compelling antagonist. No matter how far they run, they will never escape Slaanesh because the Prince of Pleasure is the eldar soul in its basest form.

Do the craftworlders truly believe their Path system sets them free from Slaanesh's grasp? Spending decades mastering each individual facet of their lives certainly sounds pretty Slaaneshi to me...

Do the Dark Eldar truly believe that revelling in their drug-fuelled hedonistic slaughter keeps them safe from Slaanesh? Certainly sounds like what Noise Marines do on a regular basis...

Their only hope of victory is manifesting the Eldar God of Death, implying that so long as eldar still live they will never be free of Slaanesh.

On the other side of things, I remember reading an excerpt somewhere about Cegorach's Grand Plan, which involved tricking Slaanesh into expending some of her power not to destroy the Eldar, but to save them. I ownder if that will come into play...

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

 Iron Angel wrote:
I like all three of them.. for some reason I look at the avatar as if it is captured in the process of manifesting itself..

Exactly.

Also, maybe the reason the avatar looks like slannesh is not because the eldar are going to slannesh, but its because slannesh looks eldar-ey. They did create her after all

Yeah I love how deep the Slaanesh references run in eldar fluff. Makes for a fantastically compelling antagonist. No matter how far they run, they will never escape Slaanesh because the Prince of Pleasure is the eldar soul in its basest form.

Do the craftworlders truly believe their Path system sets them free from Slaanesh's grasp? Spending decades mastering each individual facet of their lives certainly sounds pretty Slaaneshi to me...

Do the Dark Eldar truly believe that revelling in their drug-fuelled hedonistic slaughter keeps them safe from Slaanesh? Certainly sounds like what Noise Marines do on a regular basis...

Their only hope of victory is manifesting the Eldar God of Death, implying that so long as eldar still live they will never be free of Slaanesh.

On the other side of things, I remember reading an excerpt somewhere about Cegorach's Grand Plan, which involved tricking Slaanesh into expending some of her power not to destroy the Eldar, but to save them. I ownder if that will come into play...

The coolest part part about the eldar's culture is that we do not know where they go when they die. We know what they thing, but maybe spirit stones and the such don't actually work and Eldar souls are always given to slannesh but nobody knows. Although this theory is inicredibely tin-foil-hat-ey and probably completely incorrect to the fluff.

I really hope Cegorach gets some fun showcasing in whats about to go down, as I continuously engross myself into the harlequins fluff, the idea of some harlequin love is exciting.

I'm a bit disappointed we haven't gotten a veilwalker model...

It would be nice if the Avatar comes with a couple of heads like the new plastic Magnus. The horn is a bit much for me.

(I made an account just to contribute to this thread!)

I'm loving the Eldar Triumvirate!

As Ynneadwraith has said (great name, btw), one of the greater appeals of the Eldar fluff is the irony of their situation: they created a God through their vanity and arrogance, destroying their civilization, and their best chance of victory is creating another God. Their pantheon has parallels to the Chaos one (Khaine = Khorne, Tzeentch = Cegorach, etc.), and they're doomed to spiral into oblivion no matter what.

Regarding the models, a lot of people have pointed out how "daemonic" the avatar is looking, but to me it looks like the avatar is wearing a mask (like the Harlies). GW hinted the three flavors of Eldar were represented in the box, what if the Yncarnation is the Harlie representative? It's also standing on Eldar rubble, like all Harlie foot models, further suggesting it's corporeal form is Harlequin.

strepp wrote:
(I made an account just to contribute to this thread!)

I'm loving the Eldar Triumvirate!

As Ynneadwraith has said (great name, btw), one of the greater appeals of the Eldar fluff is the irony of their situation: they created a God through their vanity and arrogance, destroying their civilization, and their best chance of victory is creating another God. Their pantheon has parallels to the Chaos one (Khaine = Khorne, Tzeentch = Cegorach, etc.), and they're doomed to spiral into oblivion no matter what.

Regarding the models, a lot of people have pointed out how "daemonic" the avatar is looking, but to me it looks like the avatar is wearing a mask (like the Harlies). GW hinted the three flavors of Eldar were represented in the box, what if the Yncarnation is the Harlie representative? It's also standing on Eldar rubble, like all Harlie foot models, further suggesting it's corporeal form is Harlequin.

First, kudos on the first post! Welcome to Dakka

Second, I really think people are underestimating just how represented this Eldar box really is. I do not think it is as simple as Visarch = CWE, Emissary = DE, Avatar = Harlequin.
If some of the speculation turns out to be true, each one may have 2-3 ties to the other Eldar
If Visarch turns out to be Yriel, he is half CWE, half DE and has been guided by Veilwalker
Lady Malys is a DE that may have powers, or anti-powers, either fits, and was lead into an encounter (by Harlequins) with a mysterious entity (Cegorach or Ynnead) and now has its crystal heart
And of course, the Avatar represents all Aeldari.

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 Galef wrote:

First, kudos on the first post! Welcome to Dakka

Second, I really think people are underestimating just how represented this Eldar box really is. I do not think it is as simple as Visarch = CWE, Emissary = DE, Avatar = Harlequin.
If some of the speculation turns out to be true, each one may have 2-3 ties to the other Eldar
If Visarch turns out to be Yriel, he is half CWE, half DE and has been guided by Veilwalker
Lady Malys is a DE that may have powers, or anti-powers, either fits, and was lead into an encounter (by Harlequins) with a mysterious entity (Cegorach or Ynnead) and now has its crystal heart
And of course, the Avatar represents all Aeldari.

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Thanks for the welcome

I should mention that the Harlequins are my favorite of the Eldar, partly because their shtick is bridging the gap between Dark and Craftworld (their members are drawn from both). The aesthetic of this release is definitely mixing Dark and CW Eldar, which to me screams Harlequins, but I'm a bit biased

 gummyofallbears wrote:


The coolest part part about the eldar's culture is that we do not know where they go when they die. We know what they thing, but maybe spirit stones and the such don't actually work and Eldar souls are always given to slannesh but nobody knows. Although this theory is inicredibely tin-foil-hat-ey and probably completely incorrect to the fluff.

I really hope Cegorach gets some fun showcasing in whats about to go down, as I continuously engross myself into the harlequins fluff, the idea of some harlequin love is exciting.

I'm a bit disappointed we haven't gotten a veilwalker model...

Now that is cool never thought about that before. It's been 10,000 years since the Fall. How much do the present-day eldar actually know? We know how far the IoM have fallen, and there's no reason the eldar wouldn't have experienced something similar.

While i am certain that soulstones work (they use them to power wraith units, and they can call back souls from the infinity circuit so they can test whether it works).

Saying that' you're absolutely right that they have nothing to go on apart from myths, conjecture and the taunting words of daemons about what actually happens after they die. It's not as if anyone comes back to tell them...

Yeah i was hoping for a Veilwalker model too. I'll wait for the fluff to see if she becomes the Avatar but i doubt it somehow. Avatar's not overtly female, and designers tend to lean more towards the...chesty...end of the spectrum when it comes to teeny-tiny plastic space-boobs

The Turnip Master wrote:
It would be nice if the Avatar comes with a couple of heads like the new plastic Magnus. The horn is a bit much for me.

While i like the horned head, i'm all for variability

strepp wrote:
(I made an account just to contribute to this thread!)

I'm loving the Eldar Triumvirate!

As Ynneadwraith has said (great name, btw), one of the greater appeals of the Eldar fluff is the irony of their situation: they created a God through their vanity and arrogance, destroying their civilization, and their best chance of victory is creating another God. Their pantheon has parallels to the Chaos one (Khaine = Khorne, Tzeentch = Cegorach, etc.), and they're doomed to spiral into oblivion no matter what.

Regarding the models, a lot of people have pointed out how "daemonic" the avatar is looking, but to me it looks like the avatar is wearing a mask (like the Harlies). GW hinted the three flavors of Eldar were represented in the box, what if the Yncarnation is the Harlie representative? It's also standing on Eldar rubble, like all Harlie foot models, further suggesting it's corporeal form is Harlequin.

Thanks dude! And welcome! You'll like it here

You've hit the nail on the head with the irony of the eldar's situation it's even arrogant of them to even believe that they can beat something that's a manifestation of their very nature.

Interesting on the mask side of things. Can't wait to get the model and check that out

I'd agree that it's definitely harlequin in origin. You're right about the basing rubble. I wonder if the fluff reveals that Sylandri becomes the Yncarnation as you so eloquently put it

One of the most important things to notice it's that all the Eldar lore it's based in mythic cycles that repeat somehow.

Exarchs (or great heroes) surviving by just sharing their main memories and personality to further followers thus making a hundred of thousand individuals looks the same hero across history and of course their Mythic cycles.

We are so focused in the Doom of the Eldar that we often miss this is not the first time they doomed themselves to their angered gods. We can draw a huge similar line about Khaine past history with Eldar and Slaanesh.


One of the main aspects of Slaanesh it's pleasure and self indulgence, and in such Aspects Slaanesh will stop at nothing until she devours all of the Eldar but what happens next? Humanity it's nowhere comparable to the eldar in Raw power feeding her so it wouldn't be so rare that after the last Eldar dies and Slaanesh devours him she begins to vanish slowly. (think this may be related to Cegorach trick, making Slaanesh as become an accepted and controled part of Eldar psyche like the Avatar of Khaine is now instead a raw force of Chaos)


I think it's an important point to notice that maybe the Eldar aren't in a new situation (they are somehow on similar state as when Khaine waged war against them and Eldanash fought him) but all their lore and mythic have forgotten that point of history or retold somehow.

Just another theory to consider.

That's a very good point about the cyclical nature of eldar history.

I've noticed certain key similarities between the schism between the houses of Eldanesh and Ulthanash and their unification to face Khaine, and the schism between the Craftworld Eldar and the Dark Eldar and their pending unification against Slaanesh.

I've got a piece of headcanon that i love regarding the pre-fall expectation of Slaanesh. I doubt that the eldar would be ignorant of the birth of a new god. It's my belief that the pre-Fall eldar believed they were birthing an Eldar God of peace-time that would finally vanquish Khaine forever (bring everlasting peace to the eldar empire). However, they got more than they bargained for.

This echoes what i think they're doing now. Birthing a new Eldar God that will save them from the predations of the previous one. However, a God of Death doesn't sound like a saviour that will work out as planned.

Oh, and as for following Cegorach. He's a Trickster God. A Loki analogue. Can't think of anyone who trusted Loki ending up in a good place. He started Ragnarok if i remember correctly.

Seeing as how GW like rooting their mythologies in the events of real-world ones i wouldn't trust Cegorach further than i could throw him...

There's a couple stories where Loki's the good guy. My favorite mythology textbook lists 'the doer of good and the doer of evil' as his title, which is pretty apt for Cegorach I think.

 Stormonu wrote:
These models, for me, are not only a "pass" but combined with Wrath of Magnus, the fall of Cadia triumverate, it's a warning to get out of 40K now.

You are probably right. I just hope I can get my group play older editions time to time, when I am back home.

That emissary model is really cool. I'm really digging the whole pose and style of it. I'll get it at some point in the future, even if it's just to build it. The other two are nothing special. The avatar is actually kind of fugly. It's asymetrical, but not asymetrical enough to look good. It's stuck in no man's land.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
These models, for me, are not only a "pass" but combined with Wrath of Magnus, the fall of Cadia triumverate, it's a warning to get out of 40K now.

You are probably right. I just hope I can get my group play older editions time to time, when I am back home.

Why do you think that is the case?

 rawne2510 wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
These models, for me, are not only a "pass" but combined with Wrath of Magnus, the fall of Cadia triumverate, it's a warning to get out of 40K now.

You are probably right. I just hope I can get my group play older editions time to time, when I am back home.

Why do you think that is the case?

Déjà-vu in the story "progression" and questionable tastes in 2/3 of the models.

Take away three quarters of the flames / magic on the Avatar and I'd be happy with it.

Cat lady is ok. Pose is a bit static for my liking

The Sword is fething awesome

If I had to rank the 3 it would be:
1 - Visarch - detail and color scheme are awesome and the CWE/DE implications are great

2 - Emissary - no as big a fan (pun?) of the Victorian style dress, but more female Eldar are always welcome. Bonus points for having a familiar

3 - Avatar - my least favorite, though I don't hate it. Very dynamic and despite the overwhelming statement to the contrary, I actually don't think it is that busy. The "spirit swirl" is pretty crazy, but Ynnead himself is quite concise. I feel like a dimmer paint scheme could really do wonders to tone down the craziness. Maybe if the swirl wasn't so bright, Ynnead would stand out more.
I cannot remember who said this, but a more smokey color would make it look less busy and more "deathly"

I play Daemons too, so this Avatar could easily double as a Keeper of Secrets for me. (or more likely a Daemon Princess)

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 Jimsolo wrote:
There's a couple stories where Loki's the good guy. My favorite mythology textbook lists 'the doer of good and the doer of evil' as his title, which is pretty apt for Cegorach I think.

Yeah I love that Loki's got a duality to him, and I love that title for him it's definitely very fitting with Cegorach's role during the War in Heaven. Apparently he played both sides in the conflict, exactly as a Trickster God should.

I do think it's rather desperate for the Eldar to place their hopes in the Grand Plan of a warp entity known for being deceitful. It's not as if their pantheon has been unanimously kind to them in the past...

Almost as desperate as consciously birthing a new Chaos God of Death that they (mistakenly?) believe will save them. Worked really well the last time guys...