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 Brennonjw wrote:
in reguards to Custards, I know at the last Weekender they mentioned that Custodes will largely be getting buffs in book 7 from what they have now. Mostly in their wargear. I'm not all to worried as their point costs are rather high, and even with T: 5, legion lists have enough AP: 2 and weight of fire to do some damage.

That's really it. Even if they can cut down marines like wheat, as soon as someone puts the right unit or LoW down, the Custodes will get cut down themselves.

There's always a bigger gun in 30K.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:


Well the experimental points costs rarely change by much in the past. And we've been told by FW that the Custodes are getting a full list, so maybe stop being so hostile about everything and pay attention to what we do know.

Don't mean to be hostile, it was an honest question because Forge World has let books out before their release date to some people. I didn't know if you had one or not.

I'd beg to differ on the points costs changing on experimental units. Points and rules do change a lot on some of them. The Grav Tank is probably the best tank in the game at those points. If the final list allows them to be fielded in squads like other tanks... wow. Just wow.

Where/when did FW say the Custodes were getting a full list? I've seen them say a "playable army" in a dispatch and a passing reference in November's White Dwarf. But what's a playable army? I think I covered what we know fairly well:

1). Two units of Infantry with place holder rules
2). An OP Grav Tank with experimental rules
3). Another Grav Tank that is a Fast Attack choice, and we have no rules/points
4). A third grav tank, the biggest one yet, seen at a Forge World Open Day. All we know is that it's a transport. No rules, no points.
5). A Contemptor Dreadnought armed with what looks to be a large sword with a built in flamer, and a shield. No rules, no points.
6). A Forge World decal sheet
7). Another inferred infantry unit using bolters on the cover of Book VII. No models seen, no rumors, nothing about these guys.

And the final thing we know: The book will be released in February. I'm thinking at the Forge World Weekend Feb. 4th and 5th, 2017. No official word on that, but it's in line with other book releases and Forge World Weekend/Open Days.

So judging by what we know (very little) and that the book is possibly coming out in the next couple weeks, doesn't it make sense to say "what and get the book" before spending a lot of money on a bunch of unknowns?

 Tamwulf wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:


Well the experimental points costs rarely change by much in the past. And we've been told by FW that the Custodes are getting a full list, so maybe stop being so hostile about everything and pay attention to what we do know.

Don't mean to be hostile, it was an honest question because Forge World has let books out before their release date to some people. I didn't know if you had one or not.

I'd beg to differ on the points costs changing on experimental units. Points and rules do change a lot on some of them. The Grav Tank is probably the best tank in the game at those points. If the final list allows them to be fielded in squads like other tanks... wow. Just wow.

Where/when did FW say the Custodes were getting a full list? I've seen them say a "playable army" in a dispatch and a passing reference in November's White Dwarf. But what's a playable army? I think I covered what we know fairly well:

1). Two units of Infantry with place holder rules
2). An OP Grav Tank with experimental rules
3). Another Grav Tank that is a Fast Attack choice, and we have no rules/points
4). A third grav tank, the biggest one yet, seen at a Forge World Open Day. All we know is that it's a transport. No rules, no points.
5). A Contemptor Dreadnought armed with what looks to be a large sword with a built in flamer, and a shield. No rules, no points.
6). A Forge World decal sheet
7). Another inferred infantry unit using bolters on the cover of Book VII. No models seen, no rumors, nothing about these guys.

And the final thing we know: The book will be released in February. I'm thinking at the Forge World Weekend Feb. 4th and 5th, 2017. No official word on that, but it's in line with other book releases and Forge World Weekend/Open Days.

So judging by what we know (very little) and that the book is possibly coming out in the next couple weeks, doesn't it make sense to say "what and get the book" before spending a lot of money on a bunch of unknowns?

Ah then no, I dont have one of the early access books, wish I did. I highly doubt that the Caladus will have the option of being in Squadrons, though I base that on the Sicaran not being in Squadrons.

Im pretty sure I've seen it mentioned by Atia that it will be a full list, not like a HUGE. So lets look at what you've said we know and its almost enough for a CAD and some duplicate slots.

Spear Infantry - Troops
Bolter Infantry - Troops(?)
Sword and Board Infantry - Elites
Sword and Board Dread - Elites/maybe HS
Spear Dread - Elites/maybe HS
Grav Tank - Heavy Support
Light Grav Tank - Fast Attack
Grav Transport - Dedicated Transport or Heavy Support

Now we can assume they are likely to get some for of HQ Choice, maybe an HQ/Elites Squad and maybe a Special Character in the form of Valdor.

I was not going to buy anything before the release of the rules and seeing a preview anyway.
Just rather excited about the miniatures but it would be a turn off, if I could not field them as an "elite/outnumbered but never outgunned" force.
The list VictorVonTzeentch posted, seems rather like a full army to me though.

Add onto that Heralds, Sheild Captains, Valdor, Big E as the Lord of War (eventually) and MAYBE a 3-per-slot elite srgt. kinda section? That last one is mostly wish listing since 9-man squads bother me

What about sisters of slience. More units for them?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What about sisters of slience. More units for them?

Presumably the obsidian knight? IIRC they were a much simpler organization than Custodes were, at least with their units and whatnot.

I thought that the talk at the FW events mostly pointed to a proper army list for Custodes, and something more like an entry for SoS.