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Part of it is execs throwing things at the wall hoping something sticks but another part of it is people going to see them in enough numbers to justify making one; being good doesn't really help when it comes to blockbusters. If it were the recent Transformers franchise would have floundered a long time ago as it started mediocre and got worse from there yet it banks enough that they are on their fifth movie.

The large studios are certainly part of the problem but it isn't solely on them. I recall an article once that talked about the financial side more and how studios don't really know what works and try to get multiple projects going with the hope that one is incredibly profitable. As such you end up with a lot of clunkers that are paid for by the few successes. If I can find it I'll link to it.

Star Wars starting the merchandising fad didn't help either as then trying to figure how to make toys and such became a big part of movie making, going as far as having changes made to scripts/films so that it could work in merchandise.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

 Ahtman wrote:
Part of it is execs throwing things at the wall hoping something sticks but another part of it is people going to see them in enough numbers to justify making one; being good doesn't really help when it comes to blockbusters. If it were the recent Transformers franchise would have floundered a long time ago as it started mediocre and got worse from there yet it banks enough that they are on their fifth movie.

I don't think this is going to last forever, though - the only thing keeping that kind of stuff afloat is the Chinese appetite for spectacle over plot, and pretty soon they're going to want coherent stories too. The demand for more sophisticated stories there seems to have already started since Batman vs Superman failed there - exactly the kind of bad movie with high levels of visual that typically did very well in China, previously.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Fathom Events is having TPB in theaters this October. Mrs. SlavetoDorkness and I are fooking HYPED!

 welshhoppo wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

Staring Hugh Grant as Inigo Montoya.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

You say this like it would be awful. And it would. But the Holocaust Cloak would look AMAZING.

If it was just go in and fix the now horrendous CGI scenes and leave the rest alone, I'd be all for it.

The movies now don't really hold up at all. I know the movie is old, but still. Try and watch the movies on 1080P or up. Eesh, not good.





Princes Bride, Directed by: Tim Burton... of course with Johny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter. Haha. I'd rather have the explodey version.

Now that really is a horrifying idea. As much as I quite like Tim Burton, him re-making The Princess Bride would be a Bad Thing.

At least with Bay it'd be utterly forgettable.

and misogynistic and jingoistic.... the perfect snapshot movie of our times!

I would be interested if they were going to try to create new stories int eh matrix universe, but not just the same old story told again.

 Graphite wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

You say this like it would be awful. And it would. But the Holocaust Cloak would look AMAZING.

Why didn't you include that in our list of assets in the first place?

 Pacific wrote:
Reboot, rather than sequel?

Seriously. Feth. Off.

There is absolutely no way whatsoever they can improve on the original, or even come close to it, and I say that with more certainty than anything I have said in my entire life.

I feel rather strongly about this.

I agree with you. The matrix original is a masterpiece of sci-fi. Not only would a reboot fail to shock anyone as the original did. A reboot would be an insult to the originals brilliance.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Graphite wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

The Princess Bride. Now directed by Michael Bay.

You say this like it would be awful. And it would. But the Holocaust Cloak would look AMAZING.

Why didn't you include that in our list of assets in the first place?

Bravo, sir, bravo.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

Better not read the book if you feel this way.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, what's next? A Princess Bride reboot?

Don't you DARE give them any ideas!! They'd better not touch that piece of perfection that has literally nothing wrong with it!! It needs to remain unblemished and perfect and untainted!!

Better not read the book if you feel this way.

I thought the author once said he preferred the film to the book?

The film is much better than the book.

In fact,

I am a big fan of going to the movies. Maybe it is the masochist in me, but I find it enjoyable. Even though my wallet often hates me for it. There are not a lot of movies that I have seen in theaters and thought were just awful. However there are a few.

The a matrix 2 and 3 are definitely on my list of theater regrets. The first one would be on there aS well, but thank god I was too young to make that awful decision. Maybe they will make the series watchable. Imo, they can only make it better. (Not trolling, before I get accused. I legitimately think the whole series, including the first movie, is trash)

I think the first was a decent film but the sequels were indeed disappointments.

Trouble with the sequels is that they failed to follow up properly.

As Morpheus told Neo about dodging bullets 'when you're ready, you won't need to'....and as Neo continues to have to dodge, we can reasonably infer he's not the chosen one.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trouble with the sequels is that they failed to follow up properly.

As Morpheus told Neo about dodging bullets 'when you're ready, you won't need to'....and as Neo continues to have to dodge, we can reasonably infer he's not the chosen one.

That's because Agent Smith is the One.


Dun dun dunnnnnnnn!

It could also be that they essentially stole the original script and were on their own for their own for the sequels.

I always thought that Revolution and Resurrection weren't so much sequels, as remakes of the last two thirs of the first film; pretty unnecessary.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trouble with the sequels is that they failed to follow up properly.

As Morpheus told Neo about dodging bullets 'when you're ready, you won't need to'....and as Neo continues to have to dodge, we can reasonably infer he's not the chosen one.

He doesn't though... in Reloaded you clearly see him stop the bullets telekinetically in the fight with the Merovingian's henchmen.

He isn't The One at the start of the first film. Only after he comes back at the end of the first film is he The One, and right away he doesn't dodge bullets, he stops the ones the agents fire at him.

Morpheus was telling the truth.

...and then, Neo dies. He is replaced by Neville Longbottom, the real The One, who proceeds to stop bullets and kick Agent Smith's ass.

Hold on, didn't we get a long boring lecture explaining that 'The One' is part of a never ending cycle? Use this, have another sequence of the cycle either before or after the original matrix. It will still be an unnecessary and superfluous reboot, but at least use what's already there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He isn't The One at the start of the first film. Only after he comes back at the end of the first film is he The One, and right away he doesn't dodge bullets, he stops the ones the agents fire at him.

Morpheus was telling the truth.

Ooooooh. So it makes sense if you watch the film, then.


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 Mr Nobody wrote:
Hold on, didn't we get a long boring lecture explaining that 'The One' is part of a never ending cycle?

Kinda? That was more or less the upshot of the Architect's speech, but it's never explained how this cycle actually operates or why to any satisfying degree, nor does it matter to what takes place in the third film.

Basically I think that was the brothers making a bunch of gak up that sounded cool but without any real idea of what to do with it. And actually, that statement could easily apply to the trilogy overall.

I still say the whole thing makes much more sense if what humanity thinks is Zion is just another level of the Matrix and an illusion of freedom. It would explain why Neo has powers in 'reality', why Smith can travel there, and countless other things. But no, it seems clear enough that Neo has powers in the real world just because he does. *shrug*

A Matrix reboot has the potential to be much, MUCH better written. Just some food for thought.

 kronk wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Keanu is busy doing Bill & Ted 3 or so I've heard.

At least his heart is in the right place. Be excellent to each other!

I would rather they made a sequel instead of a reboot. Matrix 1 was great! 2 was meh. 3 sucked donkey dong.

That is exactly how I look at the trilogy. Love the first one, 2 has some cool ideas and plot points and number 3 is a number 2. And a steamer at that

Yeah, I never got the hype over the Matrix. The first was a decent sci fi movie with some good performances, but the entire premise was basically what you would expect from a weed induced philosophy discourse. The basic conceit of using humans for power was laughably bad. Likewise the whole Messiah/Zion angle was a little to obvious to be clever and was just gloss on a white guy power fantasy using a lot of clichés. It did crystalize the whole trenchcoat/sunglasses look, though, FWIW.

The sequels were rudderless messes of movies.

Should be a pretty easy remake since the plot and dialogue are nothing special, but I wonder at the payoff. Keanu Reeves has a certain charm and remakes have been floundering. I would much rather see a grittier take with an older, disillusioned Neo (sans super powers) who realized they misunderstood what the AI was trying to do and it was humans who broke the system for their own ends. Maybe the robots shuttered the humans to save them from ecological collapse that the humans blamed on machines. Would pretty much require throwing out 2 and 3, which is fine.


The idea that it was all just another layer (a security fail safe, if you will) is also a god one. Hell, maybe the security system basically lets humans drive the narrative in a closed loop until they either settle back in or beak themselves.

The original idea was that the machines would be using the captured humans' brains as the processors to run their AIs, rather than as batteries. Which is still daft, but not as painfully obviously so.

If we are to have a reboot, can the costumes be Hawaiian shirts and beach shorts, rather than black trenchcoats, please?

 gorgon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He isn't The One at the start of the first film. Only after he comes back at the end of the first film is he The One, and right away he doesn't dodge bullets, he stops the ones the agents fire at him.

Morpheus was telling the truth.

Ooooooh. So it makes sense if you watch the film, then.


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 Mr Nobody wrote:
Hold on, didn't we get a long boring lecture explaining that 'The One' is part of a never ending cycle?

Kinda? That was more or less the upshot of the Architect's speech, but it's never explained how this cycle actually operates or why to any satisfying degree, nor does it matter to what takes place in the third film.

Basically I think that was the brothers making a bunch of gak up that sounded cool but without any real idea of what to do with it. And actually, that statement could easily apply to the trilogy overall.

... ...

That was my takeaway from the whole thing.

Looked great, and was full of really cool scenes and dialogue, but the actual reality of the plot made no sense at all if you thought about it. For a basic point, it would be much easier to harvest geothermal energy than maintain a ghoulish body farm for so-called bio-electricity.

The sequels went further down the rabbit-hole in their superficial philosophy of reality.