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2017/05/03 23:55:37
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I thought the rich people who didn't like LAX just flew out of John Wayne..?
The ghost of John Wayne just picks them up and throws them, like a giant cowboy catapult.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/05/04 15:57:11
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
So the rich can afford something that provides a benefit to them that their financial station in life allows. So?
I used to travel ALOT for my career before I semi-retired. The vast majority of that travel was international travel which comes with all kinds of fun on top of the domestic travel nonsense everybody endures daily. When you're in a position where you have money, are making good money, etc., you learn that time is just as valuable as money itself and that you cannot afford to waste it. To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer. The whole "rich bad, arrrrgh" sentiment associated with stuff like this is ludicrous. Without turning this into a watered down US Politics thread, the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there.
2017/05/04 17:02:41
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
I went to Los Angeles International Airport on Monday morning, like I have on so many occasions, but this was an entirely different experience.
I didn’t have to deal with the usual crush of airport traffic, or people, or security headaches.
I navigated around all that madness and I breezed because this time, I traveled like a champ instead of a chump.
How?
I used a new A-list private terminal and platinum-class service called the Private Suite. It’s designed to pamper high rollers of all types. Corporate execs. Moguls. Tycoons. Celebrities. 2,200 footsteps vs. 70 — but at a cost
To be clear, I didn’t actually “use” the service, and I didn’t fly anywhere. But I was invited to sample the Private Suite, which is already operating but will go big in a couple of weeks, modeled on elite services at several international airports around the world.
As the Private Suite website puts it: “It typically takes 2,200 footsteps from car seat to plane seat. For members of The Private Suite, it’s 70 footsteps. And they are all peaceful footsteps.”
If you’re not sold yet, consider this: “Members of The Private Suite don’t wait in crowded lines because private [Transportation Security Administration] screening is done right in our building. Members don’t walk down long crowded concourses, or line up at ticket counters and boarding gates. They don’t deal with baggage. And they don’t deal with paparazzi.”
To join LAX's Private Suite, it costs $7,500 a year. So far about 1,200 people reportedly have signed up. (The Private Suite)
I believe you have to blow your own nose, but I could be wrong.
And what does all of this cost? To join, $7,500 a year. But it costs another $2,700, for up to four people, each time you use the service, or $3,000 for international flights. A non-member who wants to try this on the cheap can use a shared waiting-area suite for just $2,000, but who knows what kind of riffraff you’d have to sit next to?
So who’s going to pay that kind of money for the luxury of being treated like royalty for an hour or two?
Lots of people, apparently. Gavin de Becker, the international security consultant behind the Private Suite, said about 1,200 people have already signed up, including lawyers, entertainment executives and media types.
“I love it,” said Charles Wessler, a movie producer whose credits include “There’s Something About Mary” and “Dumb & Dumber.”
Wessler said he used the Private Suite recently after landing at LAX from New York.
“I walked out the door of the plane and there was a guy standing there with a little sign, come with me,” said Wessler.
“I go out the door, down the steps, right past the wing. Whatever the length of a wing is, what, 60 feet? We get into a car and drive on the taxiway, go out a gate and about three minutes later or less, I’m at the suites,” Wessler said. “I walked in and a woman at the desk said, ‘We have your rental car, it’s right here.’ I signed a piece of paper and I drove away.’”
Sounds terrific, but does Wessler think twice about paying thousands of dollars for a few minutes of extra convenience?
“It’s going to sound horrible, but no,” said Wessler, who lives in New York and flies in and out of LAX 20 times a year, including two annual trips to Sweden to go fly-fishing with friends.
Wessler predicted big stars could end up demanding the service and having it written into their contracts.
But is this costing you and me anything? I mean, if we’re waiting in security lines a mile long as TSA employees and customs agents, paid by taxpayers, are servicing Private Suite members, how’s that fair?
De Becker said his company is reimbursing the cost of Customs and Border Protection employees, and TSA employees will be used only as needed. He said airport police will have to respond to fewer disruptions when celebrities are hounded at the airport, and having fewer large clusters of people will be safer, given fears about LAX as a terrorist target. The Private Suite might also be used to process arrivals of international flight crews.
The Board of Airport Commissioners voted unanimously in 2015 to approve the project, and De Becker invested several million in it. Deborah Flint, chief executive of Los Angeles World Airports, said the Private Suite is a winner for the general public, with De Becker under contract to pay $34 million in licensing and fees over the next 10 years.
“LAWA sees this as a way to reduce congestion in terminals and to receive revenue that can be used to develop public facilities for our guests,” said Flint, including transportation and terminal upgrades.
An armed guard greeted me at the gate of the private terminal Monday morning, on the south side of the airport. He flipped a switch, the fortress doors opened, and I drove up to a mod blue-paneled building.
A snappy-looking gent in a blue blazer greeted me with a handshake and a smile. My concierge told me where to park, then escorted me 10 feet to my private suite. I was to relax there, as I would while awaiting my flight, or, in this case, while waiting to interview De Becker. Would you like a raw dark chocolate bar with sprouted almonds?
The suite was set up like a high-end hotel room with a view of the runway and the silver BMW 7 Series sedan that would ferry me across the tarmac to my jet. The suite was loaded with hors d'oeuvres, snacks and a full bar. Other suites are set up for children, and one is intended for Middle Eastern travelers, with prayer mats and a Koran.
If you’d like a glass of Marc Bredif Vouvray, they’ve got it, along with other wines and an assortment of cheese, meat and fruit trays. With the turn of a handle, you can empty the candy and nut bins, or enjoy a small batch of a raw dark chocolate bar with sprouted almonds. Then you could wash it all down with a Samuel Smith's Pure Brewed Organic Lager or a Belvedere and tonic and pass out on one of the two day beds.
After a few minutes, the phone rang and an operator informed me my concierge was waiting outside my door. He escorted me to another of the 13 suites, where De Becker appeared on a large flat-screen TV for our interview. He said he was in Maui.
On some flights, he said, some passengers pay $400 for a ticket and some pay $4,000 for a little more luxury. The Private Suite could be seen as something of a “celebrity tax” for even more comfort, he suggested.
If you’re headed to New York and an unexpected storm has just been forecast, De Becker said, the Private Suite will give you a raincoat. If you forgot your phone charger, no problem. They’ve got you covered.
He told me to walk across the room, pick up the phone, and tell the operator I just spilled something on my shirt. Just to see what happened.
I followed instructions. The operator asked if I wanted an attendant to knock before entering.
No, he can come right in, I said, adding, “It’s an emergency. There could be a stain.”
In about two minutes, a concierge wheeled in a cart with Banana Republic dress shirts, an Anne Klein blouse and Steve Madden shoes, among other items.
He left quietly and I stood there a moment, thinking I would have been better off not knowing how the other half — or one-tenth of 1% — lives.
Huh. Guess Ill be poor somewhere else
Edit: Can we please NOT quote giant posts, for one-line responses? --Janthkin
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2017/05/04 17:05:48
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
d-usa wrote: So LAX got a new general aviation terminal with really expensive fees? Did I get that summary right?
Pretty much.
Evidently it's like the worst thing ever...
*meh*
Yeah. I tried to give a feth, but my feth giver is broken.
Not THAT one, though. Obviously. To be perfectly clear.
*cries inside*
On the plus side, I have my Global Entry interview on Saturday so I can skip the line when I return to the states from International flights. Ha, ha! feth you, plebs! fething Ford Focus driving mother fethers. Real men drive Priuses (Priusi? Multiple Prius?)
*Cries some more*
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2017/05/04 17:16:34
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: So the rich can afford something that provides a benefit to them that their financial station in life allows. So?
I used to travel ALOT for my career before I semi-retired. The vast majority of that travel was international travel which comes with all kinds of fun on top of the domestic travel nonsense everybody endures daily. When you're in a position where you have money, are making good money, etc., you learn that time is just as valuable as money itself and that you cannot afford to waste it. To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer. The whole "rich bad, arrrrgh" sentiment associated with stuff like this is ludicrous. Without turning this into a watered down US Politics thread, the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there.
Nobody really cares that there's a new terminal in LAX for rich people. In the big scheme of things that's nothing. What it's being brought up as is representation that the rich (who have massive influence on government) simply do not engage with regular society; when the broader population gets screwed over by the latest measure to give the rich more tax cuts they don't see any of the pain they cause. Again, it's not the specific instance of an LAX terminal, its the trend it represents.
BigWaaagh wrote: To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer.
You can already do this. If you're flying your own plane (or a chartered plane), even out of major airports, there is no delay. You walk in, tell the person at the desk where you're going, and walk out to your plane. There's no security, no baggage check-ins, no crowds, etc, you can go from parking the car to boarding your plane in under 5 minutes, and most of that time is if your plane isn't parked close to the door. So this new terminal is adding nothing from a practical time-is-money point of view, it's just adding more luxury services like fancy food and personal servants to fluff up your ego. Whether or not you approve of wealth inequality let's not pretend that this is anything other than the super-rich finding more ways to show off their wealth.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 17:48:50
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: So the rich can afford something that provides a benefit to them that their financial station in life allows. So?
I used to travel ALOT for my career before I semi-retired. The vast majority of that travel was international travel which comes with all kinds of fun on top of the domestic travel nonsense everybody endures daily. When you're in a position where you have money, are making good money, etc., you learn that time is just as valuable as money itself and that you cannot afford to waste it. To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer. The whole "rich bad, arrrrgh" sentiment associated with stuff like this is ludicrous. Without turning this into a watered down US Politics thread, the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there.
Nobody really cares that there's a new terminal in LAX for rich people. In the big scheme of things that's nothing. What it's being brought up as is representation that the rich (who have massive influence on government) simply do not engage with regular society; when the broader population gets screwed over by the latest measure to give the rich more tax cuts they don't see any of the pain they cause. Again, it's not the specific instance of an LAX terminal, its the trend it represents.
Oh, I get that and that's exactly what I meant by my statement "the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there." The rich can get a tax cut, or not, and it's really not going to change the wealth cap substantially. Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment. You're right that this terminal bit is just another distraction to the core of the matter, but that issue isn't something people have shown a desire to address from a position of clarity or self-review.
BigWaaagh wrote: To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer.
You can already do this. If you're flying your own plane (or a chartered plane), even out of major airports, there is no delay. You walk in, tell the person at the desk where you're going, and walk out to your plane. There's no security, no baggage check-ins, no crowds, etc, you can go from parking the car to boarding your plane in under 5 minutes, and most of that time is if your plane isn't parked close to the door. So this new terminal is adding nothing from a practical time-is-money point of view, it's just adding more luxury services like fancy food and personal servants to fluff up your ego. Whether or not you approve of wealth inequality let's not pretend that this is anything other than the super-rich finding more ways to show off their wealth.
No, you're taking an extreme example, i.e. chartering or owning your own plane and using it to directly correlate to a more generally accessible means to avoid delays. A businessman travelling frequently can swing $7500. a year for this convenience significantly easier than having to incur the costs of a private or chartered plane. For the majority of business travelers, private or chartered plane service isn't an option. But someone who racks up some serious air miles in a year for his/her job, or simply has the disposable income, can swing this.
And bleeding heart aside, this isn't a "show off", it's a means to an end for people who can afford it. You want to stand in endless lines and eat crap airline/airport food, be my guest, but don't think for an instance that if someone can afford this that they're not going to give it a reall hard look and maybe go that route. A business opportunity was seen and acted upon, bravo! It's what built this country. Rich bashing is a ridiculous exercise.
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2017/05/04 18:12:30
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: A businessman travelling frequently can swing $7500. a year for this convenience significantly easier than having to incur the costs of a private or chartered plane.
No, they absolutely can NOT do that, because this terminal does not give access to the airline areas (and would be violating multiple federal regulations if they did). If you're flying out of there it's because you either have your own plane, or have a seat on a chartered/company plane. And it's also not $7500/year, it's $7500/year plus an additional $2700 every time you use the service.
And bleeding heart aside, this isn't a "show off", it's a means to an end for people who can afford it. You want to stand in endless lines and eat crap airline/airport food, be my guest, but don't think for an instance that if someone can afford this that they're not going to give it a reall hard look and maybe go that route. A business opportunity was seen and acted upon, bravo! It's what built this country. Rich bashing is a ridiculous exercise.
Again, the exact same service from a practical point of view already exists. I've used it every time I've flown my own plane out of a major airport, you walk in, tell the person at the desk which plane you're going to, and walk out to your plane. Total time from parking lot to plane? Under five minutes. The only difference between this new terminal and the existing general aviation terminal at LAX is that the old terminal doesn't offer your own private room with luxury food, servants to bring you new clothes, etc.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 18:17:01
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: So the rich can afford something that provides a benefit to them that their financial station in life allows. So?
I used to travel ALOT for my career before I semi-retired. The vast majority of that travel was international travel which comes with all kinds of fun on top of the domestic travel nonsense everybody endures daily. When you're in a position where you have money, are making good money, etc., you learn that time is just as valuable as money itself and that you cannot afford to waste it. To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer. The whole "rich bad, arrrrgh" sentiment associated with stuff like this is ludicrous. Without turning this into a watered down US Politics thread, the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there.
Nobody really cares that there's a new terminal in LAX for rich people. In the big scheme of things that's nothing. What it's being brought up as is representation that the rich (who have massive influence on government) simply do not engage with regular society; when the broader population gets screwed over by the latest measure to give the rich more tax cuts they don't see any of the pain they cause. Again, it's not the specific instance of an LAX terminal, its the trend it represents.
Oh, I get that and that's exactly what I meant by my statement "the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there." The rich can get a tax cut, or not, and it's really not going to change the wealth cap substantially. Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment. You're right that this terminal bit is just another distraction to the core of the matter, but that issue isn't something people have shown a desire to address from a position of clarity or self-review.
I meant in the sense that people are entitled to some degree of complaining about things that suck.
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BigWaaagh wrote: So the rich can afford something that provides a benefit to them that their financial station in life allows. So?
I used to travel ALOT for my career before I semi-retired. The vast majority of that travel was international travel which comes with all kinds of fun on top of the domestic travel nonsense everybody endures daily. When you're in a position where you have money, are making good money, etc., you learn that time is just as valuable as money itself and that you cannot afford to waste it. To be able to cut down on the absolute inefficiency associated with travel nowadays for a subscription fee, essentially, is an absolute no brainer. The whole "rich bad, arrrrgh" sentiment associated with stuff like this is ludicrous. Without turning this into a watered down US Politics thread, the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there.
Nobody really cares that there's a new terminal in LAX for rich people. In the big scheme of things that's nothing. What it's being brought up as is representation that the rich (who have massive influence on government) simply do not engage with regular society; when the broader population gets screwed over by the latest measure to give the rich more tax cuts they don't see any of the pain they cause. Again, it's not the specific instance of an LAX terminal, its the trend it represents.
Oh, I get that and that's exactly what I meant by my statement "the wealth gap owes just as much to the paradigm shift in the global economic marketplace as any other reason, excuse, or scapegoat being blamed, out there." The rich can get a tax cut, or not, and it's really not going to change the wealth cap substantially. Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment. You're right that this terminal bit is just another distraction to the core of the matter, but that issue isn't something people have shown a desire to address from a position of clarity or self-review.
I meant in the sense that people are entitled to some degree of complaining about things that suck.
People are always entitled to that, but one thing I've noticed in life is that complaining doesn't really accomplish as much as action to change does. Complaining is just easier, but unfortunately it usually does nothing to change the issue at the core of the complaint.
2017/05/04 18:24:20
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: A businessman travelling frequently can swing $7500. a year for this convenience significantly easier than having to incur the costs of a private or chartered plane.
No, they absolutely can NOT do that, because this terminal does not give access to the airline areas (and would be violating multiple federal regulations if they did). If you're flying out of there it's because you either have your own plane, or have a seat on a chartered/company plane. And it's also not $7500/year, it's $7500/year plus an additional $2700 every time you use the service.
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Where does it say that this is only available to individuals with a chartered/company plane?
I did some further digging and found this:
"The Private Suite" is a separate VIP terminal at LAX for first and business class travelers. After it opens on May 15, it will enable its premium guests to have a discreet and seamless traveling experience." -Business Insider
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2017/05/04 18:38:11
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Where does it say that this is only available to individuals with a chartered/company plane?
The part where it mentions things like having a private car drive up to your plane to get you. This would be in direct violation of FAA rules about airport security, where the airline sections of the airport are divided off into a secure area with strictly limited access. If they do give access to airline flights then the article is marketing fluff that conveniently fails to mention that you'll be going through the exact same security measures as all of the other passengers, even if you have a private security checkpoint with shorter lines.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 18:47:57
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Where does it say that this is only available to individuals with a chartered/company plane?
The part where it mentions things like having a private car drive up to your plane to get you. This would be in direct violation of FAA rules about airport security, where the airline sections of the airport are divided off into a secure area with strictly limited access. If they do give access to airline flights then the article is marketing fluff that conveniently fails to mention that you'll be going through the exact same security measures as all of the other passengers, even if you have a private security checkpoint with shorter lines.
Do you actually have knowledge of airport security regulations that you're basing this statement on, or are you just trusting the marketing hype?
Edit: I see, so the original marketing piece is a lie. It isn't "70 steps right to your plane", it's "wait in a luxury hotel room until you go through the same TSA checks as everyone else, and we pay someone to deliver your baggage to the same check-in as everyone else's baggage". And I'm still skeptical that this is going to survive, since the map in your second article shows the private terminal located far outside the secure area of the normal passenger terminal, meaning your trip between them would have to pass through unsecured areas. And, by federal regulations, you'd have to have a new security check once you tried to go back into a secure area.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 19:00:17
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
Do you actually have knowledge of airport security regulations that you're basing this statement on, or are you just trusting the marketing hype?
Me personally, no. But strangely enough I can read an article(s) and discern what is clearly spelled out. You stated only those using a private/chartered plane can use this service and you are patently wrong. Don't try and bail by saying it's "hype". That's weak sauce.
2017/05/04 19:04:35
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Me personally, no. But strangely enough I can read an article(s) and discern what is clearly spelled out. You stated only those using a private/chartered plane can use this service and you are patently wrong. Don't try and bail by saying it's "hype". That's weak sauce.
Strangely enough I do have some knowledge of airport security regulations, being a pilot who has gone through both the secured and unsecured areas, and read about the regulations involving that separation. I can do more than just read a fluff piece article on how awesome a new luxury thing is, I can think about what obstacles might exist to making this a successful business. After all, this wouldn't be the first "WOULDNT THIS NEW FLYING THING BE REALLY AWESOME" product to post a bunch of marketing hype and then get shut down by the FAA for blatant violations of FAA regulations.
And re-posting in case you missed my edit: I see, so the original marketing piece is a lie. It isn't "70 steps right to your plane", it's "wait in a luxury hotel room until you go through the same TSA checks as everyone else, and we pay someone to deliver your baggage to the same check-in as everyone else's baggage". And I'm still skeptical that this is going to survive, since the map in your second article shows the private terminal located far outside the secure area of the normal passenger terminal, meaning your trip between them would have to pass through unsecured areas. And, by federal regulations, you'd have to have a new security check once you tried to go back into a secure area.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 19:11:19
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Me personally, no. But strangely enough I can read an article(s) and discern what is clearly spelled out. You stated only those using a private/chartered plane can use this service and you are patently wrong. Don't try and bail by saying it's "hype". That's weak sauce.
Strangely enough I do have some knowledge of airport security regulations, being a pilot who has gone through both the secured and unsecured areas, and read about the regulations involving that separation. I can do more than just read a fluff piece article on how awesome a new luxury thing is, I can think about what obstacles might exist to making this a successful business. After all, this wouldn't be the first "WOULDNT THIS NEW FLYING THING BE REALLY AWESOME" product to post a bunch of marketing hype and then get shut down by the FAA for blatant violations of FAA regulations.
Yeah, but this isn't about your knowledge of airport regulations, or that you're a pilot, now is it? No, it's about your incorrect statement as to whether it will only be available to private/chartered planes...WRONG...and now you can't let go so let's try deflection and attack the marketing fluff. I'd really expect better from you. Also, I'm pretty sure...and by "pretty sure" I mean 100% sure...that this wouldn't be getting launched in just over a week at one of the country's busiest airports if the FAA hadn't already reviewed it's proposal and measures, and given it approval.
Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment.
Unless we put them against a wall of course. Revolutions are a real thing and I am surprised more haven't occurred since 2008.
EDIT: Wow, participants in this thread (not me actually) got hostile real fast, for no reason. I seem to have that effect.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/05/04 19:23:10
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment.
Unless we put them against a wall of course. Revolutions are a real thing and I am surprised more haven't occurred since 2008.
You're getting OT on your own post...bad doggie!
2017/05/04 19:23:32
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Yeah, but this isn't about your knowledge of airport regulations, or that you're a pilot, now is it? No, it's about your incorrect statement as to whether it will only be available to private/chartered planes...WRONG...and now you can't let go so let's try deflection and attack the marketing fluff. I'd really expect better from you. Also, I'm pretty sure...and by "pretty sure" I mean 100% sure...that this wouldn't be getting launched in just over a week at one of the country's busiest airports if the FAA hadn't already reviewed it's proposal and measure and given it approval.
Of course it's about my knowledge of airport regulations, because my statement that it will only be available to private/chartered planes is based on my knowledge of airport regulations. I'm not saying that they won't open it to airline passengers because their business model wants to keep the prestige of only allowing access to the super-wealthy with their private jets, I'm saying it because I can see blatant violations of FAA security regulations if they try to bring airline passengers through it.
And, again, the issue here seems to be marketing hype in a fluff piece. The original article bragged about "70 steps to your plane" and how you can bypass all that pesky security stuff, which can only happen at the much less secure general aviation terminal. But it turns out that "70 steps" is a lie, and passengers would be going through the exact same security process as everyone else.
You mean "here's some pretty CGI marketing material".
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 19:27:44
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: Yeah, but this isn't about your knowledge of airport regulations, or that you're a pilot, now is it? No, it's about your incorrect statement as to whether it will only be available to private/chartered planes...WRONG...and now you can't let go so let's try deflection and attack the marketing fluff. I'd really expect better from you. Also, I'm pretty sure...and by "pretty sure" I mean 100% sure...that this wouldn't be getting launched in just over a week at one of the country's busiest airports if the FAA hadn't already reviewed it's proposal and measure and given it approval.
Of course it's about my knowledge of airport regulations, because my statement that it will only be available to private/chartered planes is based on my knowledge of airport regulations. I'm not saying that they won't open it to airline passengers because their business model wants to keep the prestige of only allowing access to the super-wealthy with their private jets, I'm saying it because I can see blatant violations of FAA security regulations if they try to bring airline passengers through it.
And, again, the issue here seems to be marketing hype in a fluff piece. The original article bragged about "70 steps to your plane" and how you can bypass all that pesky security stuff, which can only happen at the much less secure general aviation terminal. But it turns out that "70 steps" is a lie, and passengers would be going through the exact same security process as everyone else.
You mean "here's some pretty CGI marketing material".
Well it does appear that you will have to go through a TSA check, but that this terminal will have its own TSA checkpoint, separate from the main terminals.
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2017/05/04 19:28:58
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment.
Unless we put them against a wall of course. Revolutions are a real thing and I am surprised more haven't occurred since 2008.
EDIT: Wow, participants in this thread (not me actually) got hostile real fast, for no reason. I seem to have that effect.
It must be the hypnotizing gaze of your adorable avatar.
BigWaaagh wrote: Yeah, but this isn't about your knowledge of airport regulations, or that you're a pilot, now is it? No, it's about your incorrect statement as to whether it will only be available to private/chartered planes...WRONG...and now you can't let go so let's try deflection and attack the marketing fluff. I'd really expect better from you. Also, I'm pretty sure...and by "pretty sure" I mean 100% sure...that this wouldn't be getting launched in just over a week at one of the country's busiest airports if the FAA hadn't already reviewed it's proposal and measure and given it approval.
Of course it's about my knowledge of airport regulations, because my statement that it will only be available to private/chartered planes is based on my knowledge of airport regulations. I'm not saying that they won't open it to airline passengers because their business model wants to keep the prestige of only allowing access to the super-wealthy with their private jets, I'm saying it because I can see blatant violations of FAA security regulations if they try to bring airline passengers through it.
And, again, the issue here seems to be marketing hype in a fluff piece. The original article bragged about "70 steps to your plane" and how you can bypass all that pesky security stuff, which can only happen at the much less secure general aviation terminal. But it turns out that "70 steps" is a lie, and passengers would be going through the exact same security process as everyone else.
And that "knowledge" utterly failed you in this case, as evidenced by your incorrect statement, so where does that leave you?
And again with the marketing attack. Now your going to, what, count steps...ridiculous...how did you calculate the correct step count, btw? It has exclusive...NOT NON-EXISTANT... private TSA screening, customs, and immigration processing checkpoints, avoids the ticket lines, baggage check and public concourse altogether and you're counting steps...yeah, okay. BTW, your statement is still wrong!
BigWaaagh wrote: Yeah, but this isn't about your knowledge of airport regulations, or that you're a pilot, now is it? No, it's about your incorrect statement as to whether it will only be available to private/chartered planes...WRONG...and now you can't let go so let's try deflection and attack the marketing fluff. I'd really expect better from you. Also, I'm pretty sure...and by "pretty sure" I mean 100% sure...that this wouldn't be getting launched in just over a week at one of the country's busiest airports if the FAA hadn't already reviewed it's proposal and measure and given it approval.
Of course it's about my knowledge of airport regulations, because my statement that it will only be available to private/chartered planes is based on my knowledge of airport regulations. I'm not saying that they won't open it to airline passengers because their business model wants to keep the prestige of only allowing access to the super-wealthy with their private jets, I'm saying it because I can see blatant violations of FAA security regulations if they try to bring airline passengers through it.
And, again, the issue here seems to be marketing hype in a fluff piece. The original article bragged about "70 steps to your plane" and how you can bypass all that pesky security stuff, which can only happen at the much less secure general aviation terminal. But it turns out that "70 steps" is a lie, and passengers would be going through the exact same security process as everyone else.
Those on top have the ability to maneuver and adapt to the dynamics of the economy to maintain, protect and grow their wealth versus the a large portion of the broader population that doesn't have the skills, education, inclination, etc. to adapt with a changing economic environment.
Unless we put them against a wall of course. Revolutions are a real thing and I am surprised more haven't occurred since 2008.
EDIT: Wow, participants in this thread (not me actually) got hostile real fast, for no reason. I seem to have that effect.
Hostile, nah. I just can't help but call out individuals who don't possess the ability to admit that, "Oh, I guess my statement was wrong."
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2017/05/04 19:48:03
Subject: Re:Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
BigWaaagh wrote: And that "knowledge" utterly failed you in this case, as evidenced by your incorrect statement, so where does that leave you?
My statement was correct. You will not just walk right out to your plane, you're paying $7500/year plus $2000/flight for the privilege of going through a private TSA line where you have the exact same security as everyone else. The original article presented blatant marketing hype, as if the new service will bypass all of the inconveniences of airline travel instead of just cutting the lines a bit.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's a quote from the OP:
I didn’t have to deal with the usual crush of airport traffic, or people, or security headaches.
That is blatant marketing hype because you will have to deal with security, unless you have a private/chartered plane. You will have the exact same security as every other passenger, you just pay $2000 per flight to have a shorter line to wait in. It's not going to be like having a private plane, where you can literally walk through the door with a bag full of unsecured guns and toss them in the back of your plane.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2017/05/04 19:56:03
Subject: Hollywood Wealthy Now Have Their Own LAX Terminal
Maybe "security headaches" refers to the fact that there is a 100% chance you won't get "randomly" selected (for further screening), even if you are a brown skinned guy.
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