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The extra problem with this question is blast weapons. If a large blast were to be d6 hits and a Destroyer weapon were to be 2d6 wounds that means a Revenant is tossing a potential 8d6d6 wounds downrange every turn (~55, after rolling to hit and to wound), at which point we start encroaching on the 666d6 zone.

Naaris wrote:
They may take all the eldar d weapons and modify them with different profiles as well.. The D Cannon on a WK should be stronger than the d cannon on a wraithguard etc...

I'm thinking that distort weapons might go back to something like they were before. High strength and AP and does Mortal Wounds on a roll of 6.

i am guessing Melta will be 1d6 Mortal wounds under half range and 1d6 wound over half range.

D weapons will just be 1d6 mortal wounds.

So the majority of damage in sigmar is actually either D3 or flat numbers. It's entirely possible that plenty of weapons will just do flat damage. And some weapons just go from random damage to flat damage if conditions are met.

For example, I would bet that melta would be d6 damage outside of melta range but just 6 within(or d3 and 3 depending on balance concerns) And I would say plenty of weapons, especially melee weapons will just do 2 or 3 damage.

Im pretty sure D weapons will just be a Stock 6 damage or potentially 6 + a D6.

or more

depending on the weapon.

Pancakey wrote:

Naaris wrote:
Who knows really.

Shadow war - has tau fusion blasters(melta) as +1 to hit from 0-9" and no bonus from 9-19". 1 Shot, Str8 / Dmg D6 / -5 to saves.

We could see Weapons that do D6 Shots and D6 dmg at high strengths. Weapons with Strength 20 potentially.

What we haven't seen are small blast weapon and large blast weapon profiles. Perhaps sm blasts will be replaced with 2d6 shots, 1dmg, Large blasts replaced with 3d6 shots with 1 or 2 dmg. Massive blasts at 4d6 shots? Apocalyptic blasts at 5d6 shots?

So many variables, so many weapons that need to be figured out.

My hope is that there is a viable place for all weapons in the game.

Really good points!

It looks like 8th could quite possibly the superest shootiest edition yet!

I don't think you know enough about how shooting or...anything else works to say that with any kind of surety.

ERJAK wrote:

Pancakey wrote:

Naaris wrote:
Who knows really.

Shadow war - has tau fusion blasters(melta) as +1 to hit from 0-9" and no bonus from 9-19". 1 Shot, Str8 / Dmg D6 / -5 to saves.

We could see Weapons that do D6 Shots and D6 dmg at high strengths. Weapons with Strength 20 potentially.

What we haven't seen are small blast weapon and large blast weapon profiles. Perhaps sm blasts will be replaced with 2d6 shots, 1dmg, Large blasts replaced with 3d6 shots with 1 or 2 dmg. Massive blasts at 4d6 shots? Apocalyptic blasts at 5d6 shots?

So many variables, so many weapons that need to be figured out.

My hope is that there is a viable place for all weapons in the game.

Really good points!

It looks like 8th could quite possibly the superest shootiest edition yet!

I don't think you know enough about how shooting or...anything else works to say that with any kind of surety.

we havent even seen the melee weapon equipment yet.

god knows what a power fist or chain fist is going to do.

I'll go with 4d6. The really Big Guns need some heavy punch. Also I am guessing there will be a possibillity for psychers to cast some insane 4d6 damage warpspell... :/

Covenant wrote:
I'll go with 4d6. The really Big Guns need some heavy punch. Also I am guessing there will be a possibillity for psychers to cast some insane 4d6 damage warpspell... :/

Thats a really good point! Maybe magnus himself could pull 5D6 from the warp and smight a knight titan with one blow!

I'll just leave this here....

Have a feeling melta will be 2d6 at half range

Apparently several people think melta might be 2d6, but I really don't think so. One of the ideas behind these wounds is no longer one-shotting vehicles and with 2d6 that risk is still way too big. I'm guessing something like D3 outside range and 2D3 inside range. And I voted 3d6 as max damage, which I still think is too high on the range it can damage in (3 - 18 damage). I'm thinking we'll be seeing less XD6 and more XD3 and/or XD3+Y, making the range (if that is the correct word?) of damage smaller (not 2 to 12, but something like 3 to 9, which is 3D3).

Jbz` wrote:
There's nothing forcing things to be limited to d6 rolls

Maybe Melta will be d6 normally and d3+3 under half range.

Similar could be done to current destroyer weapons.
Removes the chances of negligible damage from the sort of uber weapons they are without overpowering them in many cases (hopefully)

Yeah, people jumped hard on that D6 damage but even in Sigmar it's not super common. D3 and flate 2 or 3 are much more common. Several things even have flat 5 or 6 damage.

ERJAK wrote:

Jbz` wrote:
There's nothing forcing things to be limited to d6 rolls

Maybe Melta will be d6 normally and d3+3 under half range.

Similar could be done to current destroyer weapons.
Removes the chances of negligible damage from the sort of uber weapons they are without overpowering them in many cases (hopefully)

Yeah, people jumped hard on that D6 damage but even in Sigmar it's not super common. D3 and flate 2 or 3 are much more common. Several things even have flat 5 or 6 damage.

So we could see a template doing 2d6 hits with 5 or 6 damage per wound. WOW!

Naaris wrote:
Who knows really.

Shadow war - has tau fusion blasters(melta) as +1 to hit from 0-9" and no bonus from 9-19". 1 Shot, Str8 / Dmg D6 / -5 to saves.

We could see Weapons that do D6 Shots and D6 dmg at high strengths. Weapons with Strength 20 potentially.

What we haven't seen are small blast weapon and large blast weapon profiles. Perhaps sm blasts will be replaced with 2d6 shots, 1dmg, Large blasts replaced with 3d6 shots with 1 or 2 dmg. Massive blasts at 4d6 shots? Apocalyptic blasts at 5d6 shots?

So many variables, so many weapons that need to be figured out.

My hope is that there is a viable place for all weapons in the game.

Small blasts should only be d3 tbf and large blasts maybe d6+2. But Massive and Apocalyptic should be way more in comparison because as the radius increases the area increases by the scale factor squared when using templates. So 5" (radius) blast will cover 4 times as much area as a 2.5" (radius) blast, not twice as much.

I said 2d6, which may be used when melta hits a you it with vehicle keyword, for instance. With the potential for a great and/or variable number of hits (a la new flamers) and mortal wounds, there's no reason for this particular number to get too large when the best weapons can be a combination of all of the above.

However, if the Deathstrike isn't 4d6 auto hits, 2d6 auto hits on other units within d6" of the main target, 2d6 mortal wounds per hit after rolling a d6 to see if you can launch it, then there will be a noticeable lack of d6.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I said 2d6, which may be used when melta hits a you it with vehicle keyword, for instance. With the potential for a great and/or variable number of hits (a la new flamers) and mortal wounds, there's no reason for this particular number to get too large when the best weapons can be a combination of all of the above.

However, if the Deathstrike isn't 4d6 auto hits, 2d6 auto hits on other units within d6" of the main target, 2d6 mortal wounds per hit after rolling a d6 to see if you can launch it, then there will be a noticeable lack of d6.

Damn! Thats a lot of D6!

5d6 sounds about right for (warlord) titan mounted or ordinatus mounted volcano cannons. Reaver laser blaster might be 3d6 2d6w shots.

I'd imagine the weedier shadow sword variant might get 4d6.
Thunder Hawk and so forth probably in the same dice range.

Make the Exterminatus an option, how many damage would it deal then?

 Talamare wrote:
Make the Exterminatus an option, how many damage would it deal then?

in a d6 mile radius, 100 life to all magic players , DC 50 fort checks, 10,000 life points to the yu-gi-oh players, 40,000 mortal wounds to the AOS players, and forces the 40k players to lose d6 editions.

Youn wrote:
i am guessing Melta will be 1d6 Mortal wounds under half range and 1d6 wound over half range.

D weapons will just be 1d6 mortal wounds.

I think you're right. 2d6 and more would get out of hand way to quick for non apoc games.

Mortal Wounds are a new mechanic too – these cannot be saved by any means and punch straight through thick armour and even invulnerable saves! Ouch.

This makes me think D weapons will be d6 motal wounds.


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 Luciferian wrote:
I'll just leave this here....

Good old Vortex Grenade those were fun. But a bit too much for competitive games.

 Yarium wrote:
I think the biggest thing will be 4D6. I think that biggest thing will be a C'tan close combat ability. I think almost nothing else will reach that level of insanity outside Forgeworld (who will put it on every third model, and will have a 5D6 option for 5 more points). Most of the big stuff will be D6 (Meltas will probably be 1 or D3 at long range, and D6 at close range). Really big stuff, like most Reaper Chainswords and D weapons will probably be 2D6.

3D6 will probably be Vortex stuff; things that are just ungodly powerful, where trip-6's instant-kills almost anything.

Sorry. You reversed GW and FW. GW is the one putting out silly broken stuff all the time.

2d6 for what is now D would be my guess. Maybe some flat modifiers for really big ones.

Lot depends on wound count for titans. Would be silly if one requires lots of destroyer weapon level hits to take down.

lol @ 2D6 for D...

GW have stated that Nid MCs have around a dozen wounds, Knights have over 20.

Your average for D is thus 7 wounds.

If you're thinking 'the biggest weapons in 40K' (and they've stated all FW models will get rules, so we're looking at Warlord Titan weapons - Volcano Cannons, Defence Lasers etc), I'm expecting those to be able to one-shot a Knight fairly reliably.

zerosignal wrote:
lol @ 2D6 for D...

GW have stated that Nid MCs have around a dozen wounds, Knights have over 20.

Your average for D is thus 7 wounds.

If you're thinking 'the biggest weapons in 40K' (and they've stated all FW models will get rules, so we're looking at Warlord Titan weapons - Volcano Cannons, Defence Lasers etc), I'm expecting those to be able to one-shot a Knight fairly reliably.

Honestly, the fact that your biggest, baddest models whose paint jobs you're so proud of, etc., etc., could be destroyed in a single turn, perhaps by a single shooting attack, was one of the things that I, surely among many others, greatly disliked about 7th. Maybe fluff wise it makes sense for many models to be instantly annihilated by a significantly larger munition, but for the sake of fun and balance, it needs to really be toned back. A lot.

I think the new chacter rules are showing just how nasty shooting is going to be in 8th.

Not being able to target characters with less than 10 wounds seems like a clumsy/clunky solution to the new UBER shooting damage in 8th!


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 KommissarKiln wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
lol @ 2D6 for D...

GW have stated that Nid MCs have around a dozen wounds, Knights have over 20.

Your average for D is thus 7 wounds.

If you're thinking 'the biggest weapons in 40K' (and they've stated all FW models will get rules, so we're looking at Warlord Titan weapons - Volcano Cannons, Defence Lasers etc), I'm expecting those to be able to one-shot a Knight fairly reliably.

Honestly, the fact that your biggest, baddest models whose paint jobs you're so proud of, etc., etc., could be destroyed in a single turn, perhaps by a single shooting attack, was one of the things that I, surely among many others, greatly disliked about 7th. Maybe fluff wise it makes sense for many models to be instantly annihilated by a significantly larger munition, but for the sake of fun and balance, it needs to really be toned back. A lot.

I don't feel that an emotional investment in your paint job should influence balance or rules. A titan SHOULD be able to one shot units in 40k! (But not IC that are less than 10 wounds who are not The closest target unless you have sniper or your first name is Jeff)

Pancakey wrote:
I think the new chacter rules are showing just how nasty shooting is going to be in 8th.

Not being able to target characters with less than 10 wounds seems like a clumsy/clunky solution to the new UBER shooting damage in 8th!

Thats the first one I realy hate. Its just a complete dump idea. Especially when snipers ignore that.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
I think the new chacter rules are showing just how nasty shooting is going to be in 8th.

Not being able to target characters with less than 10 wounds seems like a clumsy/clunky solution to the new UBER shooting damage in 8th!

Thats the first one I realy hate. Its just a complete dump idea. Especially when snipers ignore that.

I know right? There will be some psychic powers that do the same thing and probably some wargear too. HERE WE GO AGAIN!

Pancakey wrote:
an emotional investment in your paint job

Curses! My critical weakness has been discovered! I need to contain the damage, conceal the truth, before-- [REDACTED]



In all honesty, I think our disagreement lies in what we view to be the desired scale of the game. Where you want massive, Apocalypse-sized games where maximizing destruction on the battlefield is the name of the game, I'd prefer a return to a more skirmish-level game. Not quite to the extent of Kill Team or SWA, but battles where infantry are more crucial than expendable, and where single tanks or monstrous creatures are significant threats. I think the centerpiece of an army should be a Leman Russ, or a Land Raider, or a Carnifex. Not an Imperator-class Titan. I feel this opinion would make for a good poll, to be honest.

You're free to disagree, of course, but I think there's a sweet spot in tactical depth, not as hugely in depth as SWA, which would take up far too much time and complexity in a 40k sized game, but not as absurdly simple as "Boom! Half your stuff's dead!" "Oh yeah?? Well, BOOM, half of your stuff is dead! Ha!"

 KommissarKiln wrote:

You're free to disagree, of course, but I think there's a sweet spot in tactical depth, not as hugely in depth as SWA, which would take up far too much time and complexity in a 40k sized game, but not as absurdly simple as "Boom! Half your stuff's dead!" "Oh yeah?? Well, BOOM, half of your stuff is dead! Ha!"

Which is exactly the kind of game I want to play - because securing a win with 1/2 of your army arbitrarily massacred on the outset requires serious thinking, and massive redundancy at list construction level.

 KommissarKiln wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
an emotional investment in your paint job

Curses! My critical weakness has been discovered! I need to contain the damage, conceal the truth, before-- [REDACTED]



In all honesty, I think our disagreement lies in what we view to be the desired scale of the game. Where you want massive, Apocalypse-sized games where maximizing destruction on the battlefield is the name of the game, I'd prefer a return to a more skirmish-level game. Not quite to the extent of Kill Team or SWA, but battles where infantry are more crucial than expendable, and where single tanks or monstrous creatures are significant threats. I think the centerpiece of an army should be a Leman Russ, or a Land Raider, or a Carnifex. Not an Imperator-class Titan. I feel this opinion would make for a good poll, to be honest.

You're free to disagree, of course, but I think there's a sweet spot in tactical depth, not as hugely in depth as SWA, which would take up far too much time and complexity in a 40k sized game, but not as absurdly simple as "Boom! Half your stuff's dead!" "Oh yeah?? Well, BOOM, half of your stuff is dead! Ha!"

You're pretty much spot on. I like to play massive HUGE games with multiple players per side that can take hours just to set up. Yeah. That's definitely my jam.