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JBSchroeds wrote: Looking at that facebook video the palette appears to be double-sided: both the bottom and the top are usable area. I don't see dimensions but eyeballing it looks like combined surface for both is close to letter/A4 sized.
$40 still seems like a lot for a palette, but I'm still intrigued and will an eye on this.
a4 sized isnt bad at all.
though would love a smaller sized one for my portable hobby box.
but the price is probably too high for something I can recreate myself even if it does mean replacing sheets of paper frequently
but i'll wait and see the actual ks before saying no thanks for certain
Yeah, the wet palletes I've made and used at home have done quite well, this is going to have to show me something really really special to convince me.
I'm keen, and I'll probably back, but two things I gotta say:
1) you've been previewing this for an awfully long time around the internet, and now it doesn't even launch until August. I'm kinda over the whole "coming soon!" thing, and..., well, it's not really coming that soon. It's just a wet palette, I think it's been just a *little* overhyped.
2) €35 is a rip-off, I think you know that. I get it - it's the best price you could do for the materials and manufacturing you want to use. I know you haven't set out to be expensive, but this really is expensive for what it is. But now I'm at an age where I'm happy to purchase anything hobby related that takes my fancy, I'll no doubt go in on this. But the temptation to save a wad of cash with a take-out container and a sponge will be too great for many I'm sure. Which is a shame. I hope you succeed guys, I really do, but you've set a challenging price point for yourselves.
Sincerely, good luck - from a near-certain backer.
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Caliginous wrote: I'm keen, and I'll probably back, but two things I gotta say:
1) you've been previewing this for an awfully long time around the internet, and now it doesn't even launch until August. I'm kinda over the whole "coming soon!" thing, and..., well, it's not really coming that soon. It's just a wet palette, I think it's been just a *litte* overhyped.
2) €35 is a rip-off, I think you know that. I get it - it's the best price you could do for the materials and manufacturing you want to use. I know you haven't set out to be expensive, but this really is expensive for what it is. But now I'm at an age where I'm happy to purchase anything hobby related that takes my fancy, I'll no doubt go in on this. But the temptation to save a wad of cash with a take-out container and a sponge will be too great for many I'm sure. Which is a shame. I hope you succeed guys, I really do, but you've set a challenging price point for yourselves.
Sincerely, good luck - from a near-certain backer.
I agree 100%.
I can also afford to pay 35€ just to have a better looking/cooler/slightly less bothersome wet palette. But if I was at a point where I had to choose between that and a box of minis, I would always go for the minis.
I like the idea of this, be interested by the reviews, my issue is the price is a bit high and things like spares, I have had sponges perish before and what the membrane will be like in a year or so from now.
Please upload the videos to YouTube as well as Facebook, for us oldsters who wont be caught dead with a social media account.
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JBSchroeds wrote: Looking at that facebook video the palette appears to be double-sided: both the bottom and the top are usable area. I don't see dimensions but eyeballing it looks like combined surface for both is close to letter/A4 sized.
$40 still seems like a lot for a palette, but I'm still intrigued and will an eye on this.
Hi, dimensions are 19cm x 14 cm (7.4 inch X 5,5 inch ) for one side and combined it's larger than A4
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Orlanth wrote: Please upload the videos to YouTube as well as Facebook, for us oldsters who wont be caught dead with a social media account.
Hi there, all video are on our website : www.redgrassgames.com you don't need a facebook account to watch them
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Thank you so much for all your comments (positive or not)
In a month or so, you will find independant reviews from pro-painters and youtubers, it will be easier for you to make a qualified opinion once the first reviews are out.
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Caliginous wrote: I'm keen, and I'll probably back, but two things I gotta say:
1) you've been previewing this for an awfully long time around the internet, and now it doesn't even launch until August. I'm kinda over the whole "coming soon!" thing, and..., well, it's not really coming that soon. It's just a wet palette, I think it's been just a *little* overhyped.
2) €35 is a rip-off, I think you know that. I get it - it's the best price you could do for the materials and manufacturing you want to use. I know you haven't set out to be expensive, but this really is expensive for what it is. But now I'm at an age where I'm happy to purchase anything hobby related that takes my fancy, I'll no doubt go in on this. But the temptation to save a wad of cash with a take-out container and a sponge will be too great for many I'm sure. Which is a shame. I hope you succeed guys, I really do, but you've set a challenging price point for yourselves.
Sincerely, good luck - from a near-certain backer.
Hello,
Creating something which haven't done before is quite challenging. Our membrane is not a mere "parchment paper" but a high-tech, reusable membrane. So yes it takes time to achieve a well done product. so we preferred to take the time necessary to be ready before the launch, leave time for independent reviews in July/August and actually shorten the delivery time at the end.
Thks Vivien
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Today, we wanted to show you, The FOAM. I'm sure , you don't like stinky wet palette, full of mildew and mold. Well, we don't like them either. That's why, our foam doesn't allow the growth of mold. The one, I'm using in this video, is 3 months old and it's still in mint condition.
Hi, I read you can use the lid as a wet palette aswell, how does that work as far as sealing it to keep the paint for the next session? Im guessing you have to wipe the lid one off?
Jonp wrote: Hi, I read you can use the lid as a wet palette aswell, how does that work as far as sealing it to keep the paint for the next session? Im guessing you have to wipe the lid one off?
Hello,
If you want to keep your everlasting wet palette for another session, in your fridge or not, you can only do it with the bottom wet palette. The top lid is only an additional wet palette than can be used in the same session. But with the bottom wet palette you already have a working surface larger than most wet palette in the market. V.
The manufacturer sent us the final 3D rendering.
Mold manufacturing are really expensive so it will start only if the campaign is succesful.
The manufacturer is currently making one prototype for validation, after that the box is ready for production.
Dimensions are 14cm x 19 cm x 2,6 cm High quality ABS plastic.
A lot of questions emerged regarding the airtight seal. The final prototype looks quite promising.
Once we have the final prototype in hand, we will conduct a series of test to determine if the seal is as tight as needs be and easily operable.
Yeah, I'm in the same space. $40 for something helpful isn't a big deal.
I'm a bit blue in the face over "the KS is coming soon" stuff.
I can't picture any stretch goals that would be very interesting.
So, I've been hearing about this thing for months. The KS will run for a month'ish, putting the end around mid Sept. I assume it will be made in China, so tack 6 months for delivery. I'd maybe get it in April. And I feel like I've been hearing about it for a long time, which makes the KS cycle seem longer to me.
Won't be backing because of the bad taste, but might buy one at my FLGS
The Kickstarter campaign will be postponed to September 19th at 7 PM CET.
After struggling for months with production constraints, we are unfortunately far from having the reusable membrane ready.
But don't worry, we will launch the campaign nonetheless, and without waiting for months. We had planned an entry pledge at 25€ without the membrane, but with 100 sheets of custom hydration paper instead. At this price, you will have all of our great features and most of the hydration performance thanks to the foam.
So be ready for the painter pledge at 25€ on Septembre 19th!
See the presentation video here.
Meanwhile, the test samples are being sent and we will keep you updated as soon as we have reviews!
A new beginning for Everlasting Wet Palette at 25€
As we stated in our previous newsletters, the box is great and the foam is bringing a lot of good to the setup, but we had been struggling with the membrane.
We had identified a very good membrane. It was however very fragile when used on its own, as it has limited tensile strength. We needed to add a backing to the setup to reinforce it.
Since then, we had been trying to obtain reinforced samples.
Unfortunately, after trying with a lot of different companies, the production samples we have received are far from meeting our expectations: hydration was negatively impacted as well as cleaning. And unless we committed to insane production quantities (worth 500 000 palettes...), the suppliers were unwilling to proceed to extensive tests with the exact setup we requested. Even if we committed, the suppliers would not give us any guarantee on the results.
All in all, our work ethic prevents us from collecting fund for something that we are not 100% sure to be able to provide to our backers, in a reasonable time frame.
We therefore decided to take one step at a time, and we will launch the Everlasting Wet Palette with the Painter Pledge only, with 100 sheets of hydration paper instead of the membrane. This allows us to provide you with the palette at a reduced price of 25€.
Painter pledge - 25€ :
- One of our great airtight case
- 2 of our very resistant and smooth foams in white/very light gray
- 100 sheets of hydration paper
- our wavy well palette and brush holder accessory for free
We know some of you will be disappointed, and you can imagine how disappointed we were.
But while not as ambitious as our initial objective, we realised that the resulting wet palette solves a lot of our common painters' problems and is softer on the price :
- a really airtight case
- improved ergonomics
- totally flat and better hydrated palette area
- possibility to double the painting area up to near A4 size
- no more mold or bad smell on the sponge
- innovative well palette
- a nice design
Of course, we have not given up on the reusable membrane! We will take the time necessary to find a solution. It could take a few month, or a year, but when it's available, every backers will have the possibility to order a membrane, compatible with its box, with free shipping!
A new launch day and time : Tuesday Septembre 19th - 7PM CET
The project was postponed a few weeks to let sufficient time for reviewers to post about the palette.
The Kickstarter will start Tuesday Septembre 19th - 7PM CET.
That is :
Paris time: 7PM/19:00
London time: 6PM
New York Time: 1PM
San Francisco time: 10AM
Tokyo time: 2AM(next day)
Sydney time: 3AM(next day)
We have a date, we have a time and we have palettes! Nothing can stop us now.
The test samples are being sent to reviewers!
The test samples are being sent, we will keep you updated as soon as we have any news to communicate on this front.
So compared to Army Painter palettes this thing turns out to be aprox. 50% more expensive. More if you actually want that special membrane which, imo, is the entire point of the thing in the first place.
I'm not overly excited about the Army Painter palette so I actually MIGHT back this, but the lack of the membrane is a real kicker.
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I was pretty disappointed when I saw the email.
The reusable membrane was the only selling point for me. Without it it's just a pretty tupperware.
In the end I don' think I'll be backing them.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - $40 for a basic wet palette without the special membrane (which I too thought was the point) is a no brainer hard-pass. Am sorry to say.
It's actually 25€. They lowered the price accordingly.
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My disappointment is amplified by the fact that I've been waiting for this KS for so long. But honestly, I've been waiting so long for this "coming soon" KS, that another couple of months to get the membrane issue sorted isn't really that big of a deal anymore.
Guys - I still wish you the best and I will still probably back. I know you must be disappointed too that you're not delivering the product you wanted to, but if you'd perfected your product *before* you plastered your "Coming Soon!" promos everywhere, you could possibly ave avoided this. Anyway, honestly, good luck, I hope you get funded.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - $40 for a basic wet palette without the special membrane (which I too thought was the point) is a no brainer hard-pass. Am sorry to say.
It's actually 25€. They lowered the price accordingly.
I thought it was that membrane which was the whole point of this. Without that, you're basically paying $30-ish for something you could make with some Tupperware, sponge, and waxed paper for $5 or less.
This whole thing seems like buying a foam tray from Battlefoam to carry your tools and paint pots in - there's no point, but people do it anyway.
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Yep, I basically agree.
The membrane was what set this thing apart from its competitors - now why should I wait several months for a an expensive product that I have no way of knowing if it works like promised if i can get a Sta-Wet or whatever its called for less?
Without the membrane, this thing is just a somewhat expensive variant of a wet palette that competes with established products.
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So the same sized wet pallet is $10 on amazon and would be about another $20 for 100 replacement sheets so $30 is what you could spend and get one right now but you'd be missing out on the lid being a pallet too.
Even if you make your own I really do like the sheets designed for wet pallets more then other material.
... This looks like something I'll most certainly be backing.
