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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

*Is there a German word for this?

Schadenfreude.

 dogma wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

*Is there a German word for this?

Schadenfreude.

No, that's how I feel when people who loved TFA for all the unanswered questions it raised discover that Abrams never planned to fill his mystery boxes at all.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

*Is there a German word for this?

Schadenfreude.

No, that's how I feel when people who loved TFA for all the unanswered questions it raised discover that Abrams never planned to fill his mystery boxes at all.

A different director made TLJ, not Abrams. We don't know what Abrams might have done to fill those mystery boxes and we never will.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

No, that's how I feel when people who loved TFA for all the unanswered questions it raised discover that Abrams never planned to fill his mystery boxes at all.

A different director made TLJ, not Abrams. We don't know what Abrams might have done to fill those mystery boxes and we never will.

Um....WHAT? Abrams was the exec producer of TLJ, so while not the director, he still has quite the influence. He is also set to direct IX, which could very well answer any supposed questions he set up in TFA

Not saying he will, just that you can't outright say that the opportunity for him to open those mystery boxes is gone.

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Well, he is doing the last one so he might fill in Snokes background (doubtful, and I really don't care) and have Rey's parents being losers just a lie by Ren.

 Galef wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

No, that's how I feel when people who loved TFA for all the unanswered questions it raised discover that Abrams never planned to fill his mystery boxes at all.

A different director made TLJ, not Abrams. We don't know what Abrams might have done to fill those mystery boxes and we never will.

Um....WHAT? Abrams was the exec producer of TLJ, so while not the director, he still has quite the influence. He is also set to direct IX, which could very well answer any supposed questions he set up in TFA

Not saying he will, just that you can't outright say that the opportunity for him to open those mystery boxes is gone.

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He was? Oh, I stand corrected. I thought he had no involvement with TLJ.

He has also stated that he creates mystery boxes to hook the audience, and he doesn't know or care what the answers are to the mysteries.

Why isn't Ice/Crystal fox/dogs an option!!

Because that's not a debate. :p That's an agreement.


As a sidenote, I thought the porgs were fine, I don't feel particularly strongly for or against them, I can totally see how people really love them, they were maybe kinda fun being there, I dunno.

So, yeah, team porg I guess.

Porgs got me like:

Porgs, because they're comic relief done right. They have their occasional moment of humor/cuteness, and then they disappear into the background. They aren't a major plot element like the ewoks, and we never have to watch them beating up stormtroopers.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
He has also stated that he creates mystery boxes to hook the audience, and he doesn't know or care what the answers are to the mysteries.

Which is why I am keeping any expectation of any real "answer" very low for IX.

OT, I still don't get why Chewie didn't just eat that Porg. It was already dead and cooked, just eat it and don't do it again.

Not a huge fan of either, but if forced to choose, Porgs, because they aren't actually part of the story.

Do people actually think Ewoks are cute? They always came across as more on the creepy side to me. Like a walking teddy bear, but not a cute teddy bear, a creepy one.

 Galef wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
He has also stated that he creates mystery boxes to hook the audience, and he doesn't know or care what the answers are to the mysteries.

Which is why I am keeping any expectation of any real "answer" very low for IX.

OT, I still don't get why Chewie didn't just eat that Porg. It was already dead and cooked, just eat it and don't do it again.

Then my statement didn't apply to you. I was talking about fans who knew what JJ was about, who have heard of Lost, legendary disappointment that it was, and still spent years building emotional investment into the idea that the mystery boxes would contain wonders. These were the same people who gushed about the film not because it was good on its own merits but because they were sure it heralded a return to Star Wars glory when that was very obviously the opposite of reality.

 RiTides wrote:
Voted Porg but wow, I didn't expect a 75/25 split!

I'm not surprised, like a few other folk have said - Porgs are obviously a marketing gimmick, they're there to get a few cheap laughs out of folk and sell plushies to the weans, but what makes them tolerable is they're not overused or given artificial importance or turned into a major plot point; they exist, they appear a few times to comic effect, they're done. Ewoks were in RotJ for exactly the same reason, but the plot of the film was twisted beyond all reason in order to try and push the toy sales just that little bit harder - rather than being the joke themselves, Stormtroopers were turned into a joke in a futile attempt to make Ewoks look cool by comparison.

If they'd made the Porgs that nested in the Falcon implausibly instrumental in the cattle on Crait, they'd be getting just as much hate as Ewoks.

Porg, because I too am with the crowd that's glad they're at least not part of the plot.

Make no mistake, if I get to play Star Wars Legion the only way I'm going against the Empire is if there's an Ewok army, but that is entirely based on their ridiculous contribution in the battle of Endor. I do silly armies like that on occasion.

But as far as the movies are concerned, I never particularly liked Ewoks, so this is an easy choice.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The whole family saw the film on Christmas, and we all pretty much fell in with team porg. My wife was undecided on the film until the scene where Chewbacca roared and then the porg imitated him. First she made a noise between a whimper, a coo and a squee, and then she spent the next whole minute laugh-crying* from cuteness overload. Now she needs to have a porg plushie.




*Is there a German word for this?

Not sure how much emphasis you're putting on the crying bit, but laughing uninteruptedly without the ability to stop is usually called Lachkrampf. Crying is optional.

That probably works, then. Thanks! Lachkrampf.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Not a huge fan of either, but if forced to choose, Porgs, because they aren't actually part of the story.

Do people actually think Ewoks are cute? They always came across as more on the creepy side to me. Like a walking teddy bear, but not a cute teddy bear, a creepy one.

I always thought they were carnivorous, myself. They tried to sacrifice and BBQ Han, Luke, Leia and Co. before Threepio stopped them. I've always wondered...what did they do with the bodies of the Stormtroopers they incapacitated or killed? They sure had a lot of Stormtrooper helmets for drums in the ending musical sequence.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

I always thought they were carnivorous, myself. They tried to sacrifice and BBQ Han, Luke, Leia and Co. before Threepio stopped them. I've always wondered...what did they do with the bodies of the Stormtroopers they incapacitated or killed? They sure had a lot of Stormtrooper helmets for drums in the ending musical sequence.

Well, I'm sure the Ewoks wouldn't have had a really good concept of the Empire, even after Threepio told them the story.

So what were they celebrating at the end? The abundant feast they just "won", that's what.

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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Not a huge fan of either, but if forced to choose, Porgs, because they aren't actually part of the story.

Do people actually think Ewoks are cute? They always came across as more on the creepy side to me. Like a walking teddy bear, but not a cute teddy bear, a creepy one.

I always thought they were carnivorous, myself. They tried to sacrifice and BBQ Han, Luke, Leia and Co. before Threepio stopped them. I've always wondered...what did they do with the bodies of the Stormtroopers they incapacitated or killed? They sure had a lot of Stormtrooper helmets for drums in the ending musical sequence.

Pretty sure the 'drum stick' is just blatantly a bone, and iirc, some of the drums were skulls. So, yeah. Ate them.

Neither - Kill them all.

For those who hate the Ewoks, there's some good news. Removal of the old EU puts the Endor Holocaust Theory back into play.

Endor Holocaust Theory? I'm terrified to ask.











And I'm also grateful that the Star Trek fandom doesn't get like this...

 Just Tony wrote:
Endor Holocaust Theory? I'm terrified to ask.

And I'm also grateful that the Star Trek fandom doesn't get like this...

I googled the theory, it's worth looking up You have to love star wars nerds and the stuff they come up with

and yes trekies are just as bad. they're still arguing who's better "kirk or picard" and they were also outraged at their loss of canon with their new movies.

 Just Tony wrote:
Endor Holocaust Theory? I'm terrified to ask.











And I'm also grateful that the Star Trek fandom doesn't get like this...

Oh? Go to a Trek board and ask why the Enterprise C on Picard's wall doesn't look like the one from Yesterday's Enterprise.

 Just Tony wrote:

And I'm also grateful that the Star Trek fandom doesn't get like this...

The fandom that brought us Kirk/Spock slash scripts decades before fanfiction was even a term? You poor innocent soul.

I've been spared the... seedier aspects of Trek fandom, that's for sure. My comment was more about the validity/invalidity of the EU stuff.

Arguing who’s weirder when the answer is both.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
He has also stated that he creates mystery boxes to hook the audience, and he doesn't know or care what the answers are to the mysteries.

So essentially he stated, on the record, that he makes the cinematic equivalent of clickbait: That explains a lot.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

*Is there a German word for this?

Schadenfreude.

No, that's how I feel when people who loved TFA for all the unanswered questions it raised discover that Abrams never planned to fill his mystery boxes at all.

Well, the truth is that a creator doesn't have to 'fill mystery boxes'. It's fine to leave questions unanswered or mysteries unexplained. The SW franchise certainly made hay with that approach in the early days. 40K fluff is built on the concept.



Team Porg for me. The Ewoks are a bigger stain on the franchise than Jar Jar.