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 rollawaythestone wrote:
If I was a SW player (and this was true), I would be salty about an evil mutated Leman Russ. However, I think this would make for an awesome twist.


Yeah, I'm not sure GW would be willing to annoy every Wolf player by having their primarch incapable of being fielded with them. That said, he could stay Imperial while still turning into some type of monster. Maybe like the cleric beasts from Bloodborne (but with more armor).
   
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Audustum wrote:


Yeah, I'm not sure GW would be willing to annoy every Wolf player by having their primarch incapable of being fielded with them. That said, he could stay Imperial while still turning into some type of monster. Maybe like the cleric beasts from Bloodborne (but with more armor).

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. A mutated monstrosity who deep inside still has some small glimmer of the man he once was remaining. He appears randomly from the warp to help his children (a bit like Sanguinor.)

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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/12/40k-no-leman-russ-isnt-a-daemon-primarch.html

So sad.

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 Crimson wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
This is so wrong! Everyone knows that if there is a supposedly loyalist Primarch siding with chaos it should be Lion!


Hah, yeah, that meme.

But seriously, The Lion had no part in the cult of secrecy that could be seen as traitorous that developed after he became comatose. Sure, a big chunk of his legion ended up following Luther to Chaos, but Lion ended up in trouble specifically because he was resolutely fighting the Chaos insurgence. He was devoutly loyal to humanity right up until being taken out of action.

It makes no sense to accuse the Lion of heresy, and honestly I don't think he's going to be very happy with a lot of what his Chapter have done once he wakes up.

That is just one version of the story. Maybe that's the lie the DA keep telling themselves? Maybe Lion was the traitor and Luther tried to stop him.

I always thought this would be way cooler. It would be a properly heavy dark secret.


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 von Hohenstein wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/12/40k-no-leman-russ-isnt-a-daemon-primarch.html

So sad.

Everyone spam GW's facebook with it anyway and maybe they'll steal it for their next big release.

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tneva82 wrote:

Lion's thoughts have been revealea. Loyal to core. Loalty is it's own reward.

As I already said, that is just one version of the story. It can be changed or reinterpreted. Wouldn't be the first time in 40K. 'Truth' is a flexible concept in this franchise. And most importantly, it would make a better story. As it is now, the DA's dark secret is pretty lame. Who cares if some of them went traitor 10 000 years ago? I'm sure there were traitors among other loyalist legions too, even if not in such great numbers. And apparently Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons or something, so no one really cares. Now, if they're trying to hide the fact that their primarch sided with the chaos then their secret has substantially more teeth.

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Full on chaos aligned Russ might be too much, but horribly mutated and insane monster Russ would probably work.


GW might be willing to take a giant dump on one of the more popular factions, but I doubt it. Yes everyone wants to see their favorite opponent taken down a peg or two. But this isn't "I'm mildly annoyed that Logan is Santa Claws, and that Wulfen are prancing ballerinas". This is much more frack you GW I'm never playing your crap again and badmouthing you to everyone I know stuff. I could be wrong, they could want to remove Space Wolf fans from their player base.

I'm not saying this because its Leman Russ, it would be the same for any faction. Seriously pick a faction, decide to turn that factions greatest hero into a bad joke. See how many players of that faction it endears. Old GW, I could see it, they didn't give a rats ass what you thought, it was their way or the highway. New GW is actively trying to please their customer base.
   
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Justyn wrote:
Full on chaos aligned Russ might be too much, but horribly mutated and insane monster Russ would probably work.


GW might be willing to take a giant dump on one of the more popular factions, but I doubt it. Yes everyone wants to see their favorite opponent taken down a peg or two. But this isn't "I'm mildly annoyed that Logan is Santa Claws, and that Wulfen are prancing ballerinas". This is much more frack you GW I'm never playing your crap again and badmouthing you to everyone I know stuff. I could be wrong, they could want to remove Space Wolf fans from their player base.

I'm not saying this because its Leman Russ, it would be the same for any faction. Seriously pick a faction, decide to turn that factions greatest hero into a bad joke. See how many players of that faction it endears. Old GW, I could see it, they didn't give a rats ass what you thought, it was their way or the highway. New GW is actively trying to please their customer base.

I like Space Wolves. It is not a joke, it is a tragic story. Perfect shiny hero returning and being perfectly heroic and saving the day is just nauseatingly lame (See: Guilliman.) Said hero returning as a monster, gripping to his last shreds of sanity, being feared and vilified, is cool. But what do I know, a lot of people seem to just want flawless shiny superheroes. I though this franchise was supposed to be about grimdark or something...


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Russ was never perfect or shiny, but that is a different debate.

If you take the Noble savage, and enhance the savagery at the expense of the nobility, that isn't grim dark its a caricature. A joke. Pathetic. Cool to you I guess. Pathetic and unneeded to me. There are already a pile of fallen Primarchs who have sacrificed the humanity they had to become monstrous, do we really need more?

And yes, people like heroes. People especially like heroes in their Grim Dark/Dystopian settings. Strange isn't it...
   
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You miss important part. That in my vision deep down in this mutated monster Russ there would still be a glimmer of that hero. That despite his flesh being twisted and his sanity failing, he would still fight for the humanity.

The primarchs of 40K absolutely must be drastically different than their 30K versions, otherwise there really is no point; you might just play Horus Heresy instead.

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 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Lion's thoughts have been revealea. Loyal to core. Loalty is it's own reward.

As I already said, that is just one version of the story. It can be changed or reinterpreted. Wouldn't be the first time in 40K. 'Truth' is a flexible concept in this franchise. And most importantly, it would make a better story. As it is now, the DA's dark secret is pretty lame. Who cares if some of them went traitor 10 000 years ago? I'm sure there were traitors among other loyalist legions too, even if not in such great numbers. And apparently Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons or something, so no one really cares. Now, if they're trying to hide the fact that their primarch sided with the chaos then their secret has substantially more teeth.


Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth

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tneva82 wrote:

Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth

That's absurd. It's a story, it's format doesn't make it any less or more true. Which you think is more accurate account of 5th century Britain, Le Morte d'Arthur or history books?

Besides, things can change. When the Necrons were first introduced the whole Eldar background got changed, and later the Necrons themselves got substantially altered. That the thing is one way in one book doesn't mean it cannot be in different way in another book if the writers think it will suit their purposes better.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Lion's thoughts have been revealea. Loyal to core. Loalty is it's own reward.

As I already said, that is just one version of the story. It can be changed or reinterpreted. Wouldn't be the first time in 40K. 'Truth' is a flexible concept in this franchise. And most importantly, it would make a better story. As it is now, the DA's dark secret is pretty lame. Who cares if some of them went traitor 10 000 years ago? I'm sure there were traitors among other loyalist legions too, even if not in such great numbers. And apparently Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons or something, so no one really cares. Now, if they're trying to hide the fact that their primarch sided with the chaos then their secret has substantially more teeth.


Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth


Is this revealed in the HH novels?

If so I agree with you. That stuff is still fresh, and they went to a lot more trouble than usual to make it all consistent with itself as a canon.

Not to say they couldn't retcon it eventually one day, but it certainly won't be any time soon.
   
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I think it makes for a lot better story if the Lion DA faction turned chaos, destroyed their homeworld and loyalists. Then Horus is killed before they can get into the fight, and Johnson was like "Ok guys, nobody was looking. Just act normal"
Because you figure the current forces really are loyal, so that gives the Deathwing a REALLY good motive to silence any witnesses.

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 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth

That's absurd. It's a story, it's format doesn't make it any less or more true. Which you think is more accurate account of 5th century Britain, Le Morte d'Arthur or history books?

Besides, things can change. When the Necrons were first introduced the whole Eldar background got changed, and later the Necrons themselves got substantially altered. That the thing is one way in one book doesn't mean it cannot be in different way in another book if the writers think it will suit their purposes better.


It removes all ambiguity if a book specifically states what the Lion is thinking though, there's no real wiggle room when we have a direct line straight to what the character actually thought at the time. Sure, it can be retconed later, but until then, it stands. Your example to ye olde time britain is doubly flawed since the people that wrote either weren't around at the time, nor did either have divine fiat over their subject with the power to categorically declare what actually happened.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the DA's "great shame" is as lame as the next person, but to argue that when we've been specifically told what a character thinks isn't concrete proof as to what the character thinks is just crazy talk.

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 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth

That's absurd. It's a story, it's format doesn't make it any less or more true. Which you think is more accurate account of 5th century Britain, Le Morte d'Arthur or history books?

Besides, things can change. When the Necrons were first introduced the whole Eldar background got changed, and later the Necrons themselves got substantially altered. That the thing is one way in one book doesn't mean it cannot be in different way in another book if the writers think it will suit their purposes better.



It's not absurd, we literally have his inner thoughts, we can can literally see what he was thinking, that is beyond first hand experience it is seeing the mid of the character in question, people so desperately want him to be a traitor to keep the meme alive that they will try all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it.

We have the word of a bitter, treasonous space marine with a god complex and I known as a manipulator, from the perspective of an interrogator Chaplin who has had the seed of doubt planted in his head by astelan.... I don't know how much more unreliable you can get, short of a daemon telling you it's true!

   
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 Formosa wrote:

It's not absurd, we literally have his inner thoughts, we can can literally see what he was thinking, that is beyond first hand experience it is seeing the mid of the character in question, people so desperately want him to be a traitor to keep the meme alive that they will try all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it.

We have the word of a bitter, treasonous space marine with a god complex and I known as a manipulator, from the perspective of an interrogator Chaplin who has had the seed of doubt planted in his head by astelan.... I don't know how much more unreliable you can get, short of a daemon telling you it's true!

What part of 'it's a story' you don't get? There are countless cases in 40K lore when a thing was told in one way in one book and in another way in another book. In such cases it is not 'really' in one way; it is fiction, it is not real. And whilst I really don't think GW would have balls to make Lion a chaos Primarch, if they thought it was a good idea they would not let some Black Library novel to stop them. Hell, they blew up an entire setting with decades of history in order to make way to their new vision; one book is nothing.

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 Crimson wrote:
 Formosa wrote:

It's not absurd, we literally have his inner thoughts, we can can literally see what he was thinking, that is beyond first hand experience it is seeing the mid of the character in question, people so desperately want him to be a traitor to keep the meme alive that they will try all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it.

We have the word of a bitter, treasonous space marine with a god complex and I known as a manipulator, from the perspective of an interrogator Chaplin who has had the seed of doubt planted in his head by astelan.... I don't know how much more unreliable you can get, short of a daemon telling you it's true!

What part of 'it's a story' you don't get? There are countless cases in 40K lore when a thing was told in one way in one book and in another way in another book. In such cases it is not 'really' in one way; it is fiction, it is not real. And whilst I really don't think GW would have balls to make Lion a chaos Primarch, if they thought it was a good idea they would not let some Black Library novel to stop them. Hell, they blew up an entire setting with decades of history in order to make way to their new vision; one book is nothing.


Yes there are stories that tell things a different way, but this isn't that, it has been a constant narrative from start to finish and has been consistent, and if or when games workshop decides to make him a traitor, that story had better be consistent or it will be rejected as trash by the fans regardless of source, exactly like gathering storm and all that tat with cawl / guilliman / primaris marines, but the point is moot, as gw has not made him a traitor, he has never been a traitor and the joke whist funny sometimes, is kinda getting old, mostly due to people not knowing the fluff.

It being "real" or not has no bearing on this fluff conversation.

   
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That's clearly a fake and thus does not deserve it's place in N&R.
But I would love to know howe they made this forgery, it would be very useful... Or is it just Photoshop?


No, it's Adobe Acrobat Pro

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When will this be officially released by GW?

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On a limb I am calling it now - Lorgar is going Loyalist and becomes the poster boy for the Ecclesiarchy and ushers in a resurgence in the Imperial creed like never before.

But hey....


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 Anna Suvorova wrote:
I am author of this fake. I can answer all your questions

When will this be officially released by GW?


When God falls from heaven.

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Stux wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
This is so wrong! Everyone knows that if there is a supposedly loyalist Primarch siding with chaos it should be Lion!


Hah, yeah, that meme.

But seriously, The Lion had no part in the cult of secrecy that could be seen as traitorous that developed after he became comatose. Sure, a big chunk of his legion ended up following Luther to Chaos, but Lion ended up in trouble specifically because he was resolutely fighting the Chaos insurgence. He was devoutly loyal to humanity right up until being taken out of action.

It makes no sense to accuse the Lion of heresy, and honestly I don't think he's going to be very happy with a lot of what his Chapter have done once he wakes up.


This is my take on things, almost to a tee.

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 Grimgold wrote:
The Dark angels codex set up the fallen to be the new chaos "Legion", by stating that Luther brought the DA on Caliban to legion strength before the lions arrival, and by having Luther escape. Whether or not GW follows up on a lost legions worth of space marines lead by a someone who can see the future and could go toe to toe with a primarch is an open question, but if I were picking the next traitor legion my money is there.


I'm expecting a campaign book, hopefully some time in 2018, that covers this.

I expect it to have The Lion and Luther as fieldable characters, as well as introducing Fallen as a Chaos Space Marine Legion, including Legion Trait, Strat, and a rule to allow them to take Fallen as Troops.

That much I'd stick money on.

I also don't expect Luther's Fallen to represent the totality of Fallen Dark Angels. Fallen are often shown to support the Imperium, and personally I wouldn't be surprised if Cypher is brought forward to be the leader of the 'loyal' Fallen faction. I could see Cypher being the one who awakens the Lion in order to fight Luther too. Perhaps the Lion, attempting to heal the divisions of his chapter, would bring Cypher and the good Fallen back in to the fold as redeemed Angels.


This would be damn sweet in my eyes, so I expect GW to do something different that's dissatisfying to pretty much everyone.

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tneva82 wrote:

Lion's thoughts have been revealea. Loyal to core. Loalty is it's own reward.

As I already said, that is just one version of the story. It can be changed or reinterpreted. Wouldn't be the first time in 40K. 'Truth' is a flexible concept in this franchise. And most importantly, it would make a better story. As it is now, the DA's dark secret is pretty lame. Who cares if some of them went traitor 10 000 years ago? I'm sure there were traitors among other loyalist legions too, even if not in such great numbers. And apparently Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons or something, so no one really cares. Now, if they're trying to hide the fact that their primarch sided with the chaos then their secret has substantially more teeth.


As far as the bolded goes, that is EXTREMELY subjective. I'd like to think that the whole GRIMDARKZ!!!1!!! edgelord 12 year old mentality stuff is behind us now. THAT was boring in my eyes.

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As a World Eaters player, IF this had been true, I would've spit at the feet of every Space Wolves player for being sons of Khorne's LESSER daemon primarch.

Top notch fake though, I was really excited for this! A good conversion with Forgeworld's "Samus" model would look awesome.

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Why not make Russ "The Grey Wolf".

Statblock with slight tweaks, allowing him to be used as a Loyalist or a Traitor, emphasizing different qualities depending on his allegiance (Loyalist is more cunning, Traitor is more savage). Have a model that has features of both - the right half the powerful (if not older and wisened) marine of olden days, the left (sinister) side a bestial wolf-like creature bursting from its armor and ready to savage foes.

Doubly interesting if you could play Wulfen as either Loyalist or Traitor as well...

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 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth

That's absurd. It's a story, it's format doesn't make it any less or more true. Which you think is more accurate account of 5th century Britain, Le Morte d'Arthur or history books?

Besides, things can change. When the Necrons were first introduced the whole Eldar background got changed, and later the Necrons themselves got substantially altered. That the thing is one way in one book doesn't mean it cannot be in different way in another book if the writers think it will suit their purposes better.


It's story but it's not fluxuating "this day it's this and that day it's this". That's like saying Sauron in LOTR wasn't interested in ruling middle earth despite book exclipitly saying that's what his aim was.

And besides this is our history book of HH. It's not myth or legend. We have it straight from horse's mouth. That's history book.


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tneva82 wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Lion's thoughts have been revealea. Loyal to core. Loalty is it's own reward.

As I already said, that is just one version of the story. It can be changed or reinterpreted. Wouldn't be the first time in 40K. 'Truth' is a flexible concept in this franchise. And most importantly, it would make a better story. As it is now, the DA's dark secret is pretty lame. Who cares if some of them went traitor 10 000 years ago? I'm sure there were traitors among other loyalist legions too, even if not in such great numbers. And apparently Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons or something, so no one really cares. Now, if they're trying to hide the fact that their primarch sided with the chaos then their secret has substantially more teeth.


Thing is your arqument holds water if we see it 3rd party view. We don't. We see it 1st party. Ie what Lion h#mself thought, no mystesy there. Jusw absolute truth


Is this revealed in the HH novels?

If so I agree with you. That stuff is still fresh, and they went to a lot more trouble than usual to make it all consistent with itself as a canon.

Not to say they couldn't retcon it eventually one day, but it certainly won't be any time soon.


They have just spent several books worth of dark angel story line. We have Lion muse things on his own. If we assume that's not true he's there not lying to some random dark angel etc to fool them but LYING STRAIGHT TO THE READER. The stories haven't been written as if characters are aware this is just fictional story so would be stupid to claim this is breaking 4th wall idea and it's there just saying stuff to fool reader.

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As a SW player, the idea is cool. Thought about it myself. Would be pissed, because i would then rather play evil space marine werewolves than obedient good space werewolves. Who would want to be the good of two identical twins in a war torn grim universe?

The reason i whole heartedly oppose it is, that GW needs LESS factions to increase balance, instead of more. So a big no to “dark wolves”. We, the players, would benefit from a smaller miniature range. So would GW, in every aspect but the financial (which is why it wont happen).
   
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 Jpogfreak886 wrote:
As a World Eaters player, IF this had been true, I would've spit at the feet of every Space Wolves player for being sons of Khorne's LESSER daemon primarch.

Top notch fake though, I was really excited for this! A good conversion with Forgeworld's "Samus" model would look awesome.


IF it was true, i would be breaking the nose of every World Eaters player spitting at my feet like a petulent child.

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Who would want to be the good of two identical twins in a war torn grim universe?

Then why aren't you a World Eaters player?

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To even suggest this is effing heresy.

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