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Be interesting to see how the Thrones crew can do without safety wheels, whilst I haven't minded the last two seasons its become a different show



This will only happen if the current films keep making sufficient money.
Me? I didn't see the last one and have no interest in the these further. I might see some of the ancillary movies if they look interesting, but new ones in the direct timeline don't even exist to me.


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 posermcbogus wrote:
Frankly I'm shocked that the same company responsible for like 8 marvel movies a year are taking it so slowly with star wars.


The Special Effects budget is probably 5x more, also takes longer to process? Just a wild ass guess but I'm sticking stubbornly to those guns.

Also, they should try a low budget star wars film. Like, instead of 12 Angry Men, we get 12 Angry Masters, where the Jedi Counsel debates Anakin's appointment to Master.

I'd watch that.

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Great film. If you can, catch it as a play. Its adds a new dimension to it.

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 Lance845 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rian Johnson will be doing a trilogy. So whether you liked TLJ or not, that's still happening. But if we could keep complaints about that particular film contained to it's own thread, that'd be t'riffic.

This is a separate one entirely.

I do wonder if they'll be delving into pre-Republic times. Korriban is back in Canon, as are the events there thanks to Star Wars Rebels Season 3 finale (and what a finale that was), so anything could happen.


To be clear, I REALLY like episode 8. I just think it would be great to move forward with the setting and see what comes next. I don't want to wallow in this era of SW forever.


Yeah but I am sure R2 and C-3PO and prossibly Chewy will still be around.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rebels were pretty human focussed too. Handful of Dressilians on Endor, and that was yer lot in the OT. None on Hoth, none on Yavin IV.
There were some mostly human focused scenes yeah, but we did get some pretty good indicators that aliens served a role in the rebellions ranks with the Mon Calmari helping in ship battles. Rogue One helped with this by showing several in the background as well.

It's more that the resistance had nearly no showing of aliens at all within the actual ranks. (Didn't help they decided to kill Ackbar offscreen)
   
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Dunno. Plenty of alien pilots - Ello Asty, Nien Nunb, the other bloke that looks like Ello Asty.

   
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That is true, and the Abednedo (the Ello Asty species) did get created for TFA.

I tend to forget about Nien for some reason, he doesn't tend to stand out much as a pilot.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I tend to forget about Nien for some reason, he doesn't tend to stand out much as a pilot.


And yet, assuming you count Starkiller base, he's got as many 'Death Star' missions under his belt as Wedge, and more than Luke or Han... Nien Numb is the unsung hero of the Rebellion!

 
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
That is true, and the Abednedo (the Ello Asty species) did get created for TFA.

I tend to forget about Nien for some reason, he doesn't tend to stand out much as a pilot.


There's also Whiskers McBuggalugs lurking around the base...

   
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 Paradigm wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I tend to forget about Nien for some reason, he doesn't tend to stand out much as a pilot.


And yet, assuming you count Starkiller base, he's got as many 'Death Star' missions under his belt as Wedge, and more than Luke or Han... Nien Numb is the unsung hero of the Rebellion!


He should have an amazing X-wing card!

If you read the X-wing series of books, I beleive there was one other pilot who had two Death Star runs, but the name escapes me.

The name was Tycho Celchu. However, he was not part of the first Death Star attack.

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 Easy E wrote:
 Paradigm wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I tend to forget about Nien for some reason, he doesn't tend to stand out much as a pilot.


And yet, assuming you count Starkiller base, he's got as many 'Death Star' missions under his belt as Wedge, and more than Luke or Han... Nien Numb is the unsung hero of the Rebellion!


He should have an amazing X-wing card!

If you read the X-wing series of books, I beleive there was one other pilot who had two Death Star runs, but the name escapes me.
He's already in X-wing, http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Nien_Nunb_(T-70_X-Wing)

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I think it's a good thing. The pair are responsible for arguably one of the most influential television shows in history. Why not hire someone with that kind of track record.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Frankly I'm shocked that the same company responsible for like 8 marvel movies a year are taking it so slowly with star wars.
Marvel Studios is in charge of Star Wars? Weird... I didn't know that.

And yes I know you meant Disney. But Disney do not make Star Wars films any more than they make Marvel films. Lucasfilm make Star Wars films. Marvel Studios make Marvel Studios films (and 21st Century Fox makes Marvel films and Sony make Marvel films). Marvel Studios mostly made 2 films a year and recently changed to 3.

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I’m very interested to see what these trilogies will cover.

As I’ve said many times before, Rogue One is probably my favourite of the current batch. I found its tonal shift to something a bit darker and grittier a welcome change. Whilst hardly an ‘adult’ themed film, it’s still a good distance from the others.

If we could get a trilogy like that, where it’s not afraid to kill off goodies, we might be in for a treat.

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As will the show runners of Game of Thrones.


Oh god, Star Wars is truly going down the trash can.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Jam Jar style aliens are a lot more expensive than Chewie, who is simply a tall guy in a furry jumpsuit, of course.


I suspect I’m not alone in saying that Chewie is all the better for it.

I’m not adverse to CGI or mo-cap, but I do prefer my practical effects. When it’s a person interacting with a real environment, CGI just can’t compete on its own. Though I do consider Maz Kanata a notable exception, she really worked. And being intentionally smaller is good reason to use CGI.

By all means use CGI to add some spit and polish to the practical effects, but please don’t just rely on it.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's a good thing. The pair are responsible for arguably one of the most influential television shows in history. Why not hire someone with that kind of track record.

Because they're better at adapting a storyline than writing one. The point at which the TV show outran the books is also the point at which the TV show took a nosedive.

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Lord Kragan wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


As will the show runners of Game of Thrones.


Oh god, Star Wars is truly going down the trash can.


I disagree.

They’ve done amazing things with their budget on that show. And crucially for me, know when to take their time. Season 8 was ‘due’ this year, but they’re giving themselves the breathing space, and holding off until next year for the finale episodes. And reports suggest they’ll be 1.5 hours each.

Give them three films to tell a story, and I’m confident it’ll be something I’m more likely than not going to enjoy. Of course that’s dependant on how much or how little studio oversight is involved.

   
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 AlexHolker wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's a good thing. The pair are responsible for arguably one of the most influential television shows in history. Why not hire someone with that kind of track record.

Because they're better at adapting a storyline than writing one. The point at which the TV show outran the books is also the point at which the TV show took a nosedive.


Massively disagree - they had take an increasingly turgid and sprawling mess of a story and try and make a show out it.

Most of it works, some doesn't (*) but its simply miles better than the most recent SOIAF books by GGR martin which are increasingly awful.

(*) Run and fetch Dany - arghhh

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Idk, the show isn't really much better. They are throwing a lot of stupid bs together. Like Jon Snow not getting on the fething dragon just so they have a contrived reason to have a zombie dragon.

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Wait this is the same director as TLJ?

Solid miss from me then, I have no faith in his directing skills, he is the Laury Goulding of the star wars universe.
   
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 Formosa wrote:
Wait this is the same director as TLJ?

Rian Johnson's making the fourth trilogy. D&D are making the fifth.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Marvel Studios mostly made 2 films a year and recently changed to 3.

Pardon my hyperbole.
My point is rather that both seem to have a 'quantity is job number 1' mentality.

Sure, it's 2/3 movies a year, but are any of them genuinely good or memorable? Fair enough if you enjoy every one of those films, have fun with what you like, but I doubt they'll be remembered as good cinema in 10 years time.

I think the same is probably gonna be the case with these Star Wars films. In total, we've had 9 releases - original trilogy, prequels, 2 sequels and a spin off.
Weren't cracks appearing in Return of the Jedi? Were there really that many good movies in A New Hope? I don't think anyone can say that all 9 were good.

And now we've got 9 more Star Wars movies in the pipeline? That's 18 Star Wars movies, and the sequel trilogy hasn't even been concluded yet. We might never get The Adventures of Jar-Jar 3: Return to the Planet Core but I'm sure we can get something just as awful.

Sure, maybe no-one at Mouse HQ is singularly to blame, and yeah, these are different studios, production teams, and even different individual writers working on a vast array of films, all of whom are probably passionate about what they're doing.
And credit where it's due, Disney itself in my opinion is capable of making really good movies. In terms of soundtrack and animation, they're fantastic, and as far as kids films go, the writing is good.

But I wanted to like the Force Awakens. A 3rd deathstar, 4 copy-and-paste 'lovable rouge with a smart mouth and a problem with authority' characters all onscreen at the same time trading badly-written quips, a 'surprise' I'm your dad moment, the pacing - it was just dissatisfying. In the same way that, to me, every Marvel movie I've watched has been completely dissatisfying too - the same poor scripts, the same unadventurous plotlines, the same unremarkable, underdeveloped characters, the same meaningless cameos. And there's no sign that either will change their strategies any time soon. Because the current formula pays off in a huge way.

I think it honestly says a lot about that film that a character fans thought stood out as being memorable was a storm trooper who just yelled "Traitor!" and did a little spinny move.

At the end of the day, the same rubber stamp that didn't flinch when it saw "Ant Man sequel" is going to be on Star Wars movies too. And I think it was entirely because of the main concern was profitability. Hence why I'm skeptical that this anything but a forecast for a slew of forgettable, rushed out, creatively bankrupt movies.

How many Star Wars movies do we really need? How many more Avengers sequels are we going to get before the ocean fills with different variations of Iron Man action figures and we all drown?
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 posermcbogus wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Marvel Studios mostly made 2 films a year and recently changed to 3.

Pardon my hyperbole.


Nope.

I see these kinds of argument a lot, primarily from film critics, and they don't seem to be motivated by anything other than a combination of jealousy that the kinds of films they want to watch are, in their minds, not being made because of "all these dumb blockbusters"(when of course the reality is if the preset crop of blockbusters wasn't being made, it would just be a different crop of blockbusters), and base snobbery towards the idea that people can be fond enough of particular settings to enjoy even more mediocre productions that use those settings. Given your "creatively bankrupt fnar fnar" closing remarks I'd wager the latter is the bigger issue for you.

I like Marvel. I like Star Wars. Why would I not want more of them? Variations on the theme, sure, experiment with it, why not, but frankly I'd far rather live in a world where there's a Star Wars movie every year and half of them are disposable or outright bad than a world where you get one trilogy of movies and then nothing new on screen at all for nearly twenty years.

Also, why do you care about action figures, are you their actual target market(ie, children, not bizarro-adult collectors who's homes are wall-to-wall unopened boxes)? I suspect not, in which case why do you care? And if you don't like MCU films, why does it matter to you that other people do? It can't really just a case of "stop liking what I don't like", surely.

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Rian Johnson got his trilogy only because TLJ made a lot of money, but it seems to me that movie burned up a lot of the good will TLJ and Rogue One built up. TLJ felt as if it was subversive just to be subversive - at the expense of plot, story, believability, and everything else.

Personally, I'll wait for reviews for the next StarWars movies. If they're stinkers, I'll consider myself demoted from "fan" to "not".
   
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SirWeeble wrote:
Rian Johnson got his trilogy only because TLJ made a lot of money, but it seems to me that movie burned up a lot of the good will TLJ and Rogue One built up. TLJ felt as if it was subversive just to be subversive - at the expense of plot, story, believability, and everything else.

Personally, I'll wait for reviews for the next StarWars movies. If they're stinkers, I'll consider myself demoted from "fan" to "not".


Actually, Arian Johnson’s trilogy was announced long before TLJ was released.

   
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 posermcbogus wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Marvel Studios mostly made 2 films a year and recently changed to 3.

Pardon my hyperbole.
My point is rather that both seem to have a 'quantity is job number 1' mentality.

Sure, it's 2/3 movies a year, but are any of them genuinely good or memorable? Fair enough if you enjoy every one of those films, have fun with what you like, but I doubt they'll be remembered as good cinema in 10 years time.

I think the same is probably gonna be the case with these Star Wars films. In total, we've had 9 releases - original trilogy, prequels, 2 sequels and a spin off.
Weren't cracks appearing in Return of the Jedi? Were there really that many good movies in A New Hope? I don't think anyone can say that all 9 were good.

And now we've got 9 more Star Wars movies in the pipeline? That's 18 Star Wars movies, and the sequel trilogy hasn't even been concluded yet. We might never get The Adventures of Jar-Jar 3: Return to the Planet Core but I'm sure we can get something just as awful.

Sure, maybe no-one at Mouse HQ is singularly to blame, and yeah, these are different studios, production teams, and even different individual writers working on a vast array of films, all of whom are probably passionate about what they're doing.
And credit where it's due, Disney itself in my opinion is capable of making really good movies. In terms of soundtrack and animation, they're fantastic, and as far as kids films go, the writing is good.

But I wanted to like the Force Awakens. A 3rd deathstar, 4 copy-and-paste 'lovable rouge with a smart mouth and a problem with authority' characters all onscreen at the same time trading badly-written quips, a 'surprise' I'm your dad moment, the pacing - it was just dissatisfying. In the same way that, to me, every Marvel movie I've watched has been completely dissatisfying too - the same poor scripts, the same unadventurous plotlines, the same unremarkable, underdeveloped characters, the same meaningless cameos. And there's no sign that either will change their strategies any time soon. Because the current formula pays off in a huge way.

I think it honestly says a lot about that film that a character fans thought stood out as being memorable was a storm trooper who just yelled "Traitor!" and did a little spinny move.

At the end of the day, the same rubber stamp that didn't flinch when it saw "Ant Man sequel" is going to be on Star Wars movies too. And I think it was entirely because of the main concern was profitability. Hence why I'm skeptical that this anything but a forecast for a slew of forgettable, rushed out, creatively bankrupt movies.

How many Star Wars movies do we really need? How many more Avengers sequels are we going to get before the ocean fills with different variations of Iron Man action figures and we all drown?


You might have a point if the Star Wars movies thus far produced where great quality and the Marvel ones not. - but the opposite its true

Marvel have produced a series of conencted films with great characters, good plots, great dialogue. and which are highly enjoyable.

Star Wars produced a fun film with a weak dubious plot and truely awful film in the same time as Marvels far superior output.

Make good films and people will keep going to see them - no matter how many therer are.

Make crap films and they wont

Personally, I'll wait for reviews for the next StarWars movies
Why? Do you think the critics reviews actaully reflected what we watched on screen.

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SirWeeble wrote:
Rian Johnson got his trilogy only because TLJ made a lot of money, but it seems to me that movie burned up a lot of the good will TLJ and Rogue One built up. TLJ felt as if it was subversive just to be subversive - at the expense of plot, story, believability, and everything else.

Personally, I'll wait for reviews for the next StarWars movies. If they're stinkers, I'll consider myself demoted from "fan" to "not".


But critics loved TLJ.

For me, I don't have a problem with "subversive" Star Wars - some of my favourite parts of the EU are ones that mow down sacred cows of the franchise like they're terrorists in an 80's action movie - I have a problem with stupid Star Wars, and that's why I disliked TLJ(90% of the character conflict in the film could have been solved by the supposedly superior/enlightened/super-duper smartypants new General just including her subordinates in her plans which in no way required any level of secrecy to work, and the core concept is silly and makes the First Order look like morons - *their* hyperdrives are working fine, but gah I'll stop before I get too pissy about that one again). But that's the great thing about Star Wars being a Disney megafranchise - I disliked TLJ; yes, so, and? Solo is this year, looks not bad. There's another Abrams movie the year after that to finish out this trilogy, so if he can steer the tone a little back towards TFA with better pacing than that film and less Plot Stupid than TLJ it should be a fun enough watch, and now we have two new trilogies on the way and hopefully more Anthology films as well.

Even if half of them are pish, we'll probably still end up with at least twice as many good Star Wars films in half the time than we got from Lucas, and growing up as a fan of GW games has given me plenty of practice ignoring the bits of franchises that I don't care for so long as there's still plenty there that I do.

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SirWeeble wrote:
Rian Johnson got his trilogy only because TLJ made a lot of money, but it seems to me that movie burned up a lot of the good will TLJ and Rogue One built up. TLJ felt as if it was subversive just to be subversive - at the expense of plot, story, believability, and everything else.
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If it was intended to be subversive, it failed at that, just like everything else. But the Johnson trilogy was announced months in advance of TLJ- that had no bearing on the decision. Someone in the corporate tree just likes him.

Given how unstable the Solo production seems to have been, they might yet come to their senses and yank it out from underneath him.

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Yeah, the Johnson announcement predated the release of TLJ, and it was a bit weird really, unless it was supposed to poison the well in the mind of people going to see TLJ? "This film must be good, they've already given him 3 more"... I suppose announcing it afterwards, given the film's divisive reaction, would have been stranger. Oh well.

I hope with this new announcement they're not moving away from the standalone 'stories' towards endless concurrent trilogies. Why does everything need to be a trilogy? Can't people tell a story in 2 hours any more?

I've always been a fan of Star Wars and since 1997 have been to see every cinematic release on the first day. I'm now thinking about just what it would take to change that. There are now more movies that I never want to see again than ones I actually like.

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So, I've got a new trilogy of Star Wars movies to look forward to.

Just in case the Star Wars franchise didn't have enough turds on its corpse, they're going to push out three more for us.

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I had thought TLJ was the worst film ever made, but apparently these new three are even worse.

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