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I doubt things they've made so iconic will be ditched. People going on about how they're 'terrible' are forgetting how little GW cares (or knows) about that kind of thing.

pm713 wrote:
I doubt things they've made so iconic will be ditched. People going on about how they're 'terrible' are forgetting how little GW cares (or knows) about that kind of thing.

I don't expect them to ditch the aesthetic of Terminators or Land Raiders or even Rhinos though. I expect Terminators to get upscaled and reproportioned to fit in with the Primaris line better, and eventually the transports to allow Primaris.

Intercessors already carry on the iconic look of a basic marine. Ultimately nothing is being lost here, just upgraded.

Stux wrote:


I don't expect them to ditch the aesthetic of Terminators or Land Raiders or even Rhinos though. I expect Terminators to get upscaled and reproportioned to fit in with the Primaris line better, and eventually the transports to allow Primaris.

Intercessors already carry on the iconic look of a basic marine. Ultimately nothing is being lost here, just upgraded.

Yep. I'm eagerly waiting the Primaris Terminators.

Martel732 wrote:
The dumpster.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Their status is - you should play another army.

Classic.

Model-wise Tacs are not going anywhere.

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phydaux wrote:
With the advent of Primaris marines, where does that leave "regular" Space Marines? Do we have valid reason to believe that GW will discontinue those box sets?

Their status is that GW hasn't said anything about them, and GW hasn't released non-Primaris kits recently. Some people have taken that to mean that GW is going to discontinue and stop selling all older Space Marine kits.

pm713 wrote:
I doubt things they've made so iconic will be ditched. People going on about how they're 'terrible' are forgetting how little GW cares (or knows) about that kind of thing.

GW wants to sell stuff. I'm expecting a few years of promoting primaris units and then a rebirth of regular marines. Regular marines won't disappear in 40k, lots of people love them. And GW's politics is about selling imperium and chaos models. What will it happen after marines 2.0? Marines 3.0 as big as dreads? Maybe, my guess is marines 1.0 once again.

Unsupported armies, I mean armies with no new units since 15+ years, are still on the site. Yeah, I'm talking about sisters, which still have metal infantries. Ok they got a new celestine, but it's not a new unit (just the bodyguards actually) and she was released in a time when GW wanted to promote imperium supreheroes, especially the ultramarines one.

I can't see GW stopping their most popular line and fluff wise I doubt they'd ever be killed off, they'd have to be insane to get rid of Regular Marines. It's not impossible, it's just it would be a wildly silly move on their part. Killing the cash cow isn't something I expect GW to try.

 Blackie wrote:

GW wants to sell stuff. I'm expecting a few years of promoting primaris units and then a rebirth of regular marines. Regular marines won't disappear in 40k, lots of people love them.

Just no. If you think the regular marines have any sort of future besides being a legacy army with token support, you're delusional. It is already written in the fluff too, just like there will be no new minimarine models, there will not be new minimarines made in the setting, and have not been for a century. They will literally die out, unless the method of upgrading minimarines into Primaris that Pete Foley slipped in one interview actually materialises, and they will fluff-wise upgrade the remaining minimarines.


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 Lion of Caliban wrote:
I can't see GW stopping their most popular line and fluff wise I doubt they'd ever be killed off, they'd have to be insane to get rid of Regular Marines. It's not impossible, it's just it would be a wildly silly move on their part. Killing the cash cow isn't something I expect GW to try.

Most people who like marines are fine with buying bigger, better looking marines. Only people who are not fine with this are some people who have extensive collections of old models, but those people were never gonna buy a lot of new stuff anyway.

Most people who like marines are fine with buying bigger, better looking marines. Only people who are not fine with this are some people who have extensive collections of old models, but those people were never gonna buy a lot of new stuff anyway.

From my perspective as a more gaming-focused 40k collector, I'm not nearly as interested in the Primaris as I am in the other Marines because the Primaris marines aren't currently that powerful. None of them are standout units I will build around and the characters are pretty much all worse than standard characters.

 meleti wrote:

From my perspective as a more gaming-focused 40k collector, I'm not nearly as interested in the Primaris as I am in the other Marines because the Primaris marines aren't currently that powerful. None of them are standout units I will build around and the characters are pretty much all worse than standard characters.

Sure, but given time there will be more Primaris stuff so this will change.

Probably here to stay, for at least a long while.

Also, I don't think tacticals are bad, though scouts are better. I wish my Grey Hunters could take Lascannons, but I guess we traded our Lascannons for Storm Bolters, and it's a trade I'm happy to make. Especially since I can't outflank storm bolters and plasmaguns on T1 anymore, Grey Hunters and tanks might become a more relevant part of my list.

Land Raiders cost too many points, especially for something that can't shoot while in close quarters/falling back.

Status: In a relationship with Primaris but looking for something serious in a rulebook relationship...

Orientation: Undecided but willing to experiment with various positions and command points. Jack-of-all-trades but not really excelling at anything.

Fun if you're a vanilla kinda person

 Crimson wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

GW wants to sell stuff. I'm expecting a few years of promoting primaris units and then a rebirth of regular marines. Regular marines won't disappear in 40k, lots of people love them.

Just no. If you think the regular marines have any sort of future besides being a legacy army with token support, you're delusional. It is already written in the fluff too, just like there will be no new minimarine models, there will not be new minimarines made in the setting, and have not been for a century. They will literally die out, unless the method of upgrading minimarines into Primaris that Pete Foley slipped in one interview actually materialises, and they will fluff-wise upgrade the remaining minimarines.


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 Lion of Caliban wrote:
I can't see GW stopping their most popular line and fluff wise I doubt they'd ever be killed off, they'd have to be insane to get rid of Regular Marines. It's not impossible, it's just it would be a wildly silly move on their part. Killing the cash cow isn't something I expect GW to try.

Most people who like marines are fine with buying bigger, better looking marines. Only people who are not fine with this are some people who have extensive collections of old models, but those people were never gonna buy a lot of new stuff anyway.

I'm not delusional, I can't stand marines Primaris or regular ones, it doesn't make any difference. I only like the furry guys, especially things like wulfen or TWC, but I'm mostly a collector and I own two other armies, I'd be 100% fine if my space wolves will be completely phased out. Of course I hope not because variety is a quality but I'd still keep the army because I like the models, which is more important than playing the game IMHO .

"Better looking" is entirely subjective, IMHO primaris are the worst miniatures (along with the deathguard) since 15 years at least. Not a single dude that I know, even kids and beginners to the hobby, prefers the aesthetics of the primaris over regular marines, they just buy them because buying the most recent stuff is a safer investment and rulewise more competitive (maybe).

As you said it's written in the fluff and there won't be new regular marines, I agree, but for how long? I don't think they'll disappear, they can even be unsupported for 10 years but GW mostly sells marines and after tons of primaris new releases they'll have to figure out new SM stuff. The fluff is not the bible, GW can completely change it in a second if doing so means promoting and selling new models.

 meleti wrote:

Most people who like marines are fine with buying bigger, better looking marines. Only people who are not fine with this are some people who have extensive collections of old models, but those people were never gonna buy a lot of new stuff anyway.

From my perspective as a more gaming-focused 40k collector, I'm not nearly as interested in the Primaris as I am in the other Marines because the Primaris marines aren't currently that powerful. None of them are standout units I will build around and the characters are pretty much all worse than standard characters.

I disagree with most of that. Sure, most Primaris units are not exactly Tier 1 or whatever in most Space Marine armies. But neither are any of the old scale basic marines. The stand out units are usually certain flyers, Laserbacks, Primarchs, and so forth.

Comparing like for like, Primaris come across pretty darn favourably. Intercessors give Tacs a run for their money, Aggressors arguably have more of a niche than Terminators at the moment, Hellblasters can do more work than Devs depending on the matchup, and since their price drop Plasma Inceptors are great too.

Even the characters, it's really only the lack of transportation/deployment options that hold them back, which is something likely to change over time. Take the Librarian: for just 5pts extra you get +1W and +1A. That's an amazing deal!


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 Blackie wrote:

"Better looking" is entirely subjective, IMHO primaris are the worst miniatures (along with the deathguard) since 15 years at least. Not a single dude that I know, even kids and beginners to the hobby, prefers the aesthetics of the primaris over regular marines, they just buy them because buying the most recent stuff is a safer investment and rulewise more competitive (maybe).

Of course aesthetics are highly subjective, but saying not a single person you know likes them just says to me that you have a very insular group that is not at all representative of the wider opinion.

I don't have a breakdown of the overall opinions of all 40k players, but I do have my own anecdotal experience to counteract yours. That says that everyone I know in my circle of friends who play the game are very much in to the aesthetics of the Primaris kits, we all think they look great.

Yeah, a lot of people (understandably) dislike their fluff, but I've never met a single person in real life who do not like the models. Online opinions too seem to be overwhelmingly favourable to the models.

Well at some point surely they will say Primaris can go in Land Raiders?

Their problem is that they are monopose with just a few options. I own 80ish SW infantries and not a single model looks alike another one. Tons of different heads and also weapons options. Primaris have same pose, the same head and just two weapons to chose from.

Many players are also interested in the hobby part and monopose infantry models are never widely loved. Sure kids like then, people that are obsessed with true scale marines as well, but I think those models are mostly liked becausr they're the new releases. To make them survive through years GW should re-do them with multiple poses, heads and more options.

From what I’ve heard Primaris are selling quite well. There is a vocal minority that don’t like Primaris. Then there are those that don’t like Marines but still play them and complain.

I don't buy primaris as apart from fluff(bad) they are also too big. They are about size of custodians which are supposed to be head taller than marine.

phydaux wrote:
With the advent of Primaris marines, where does that leave "regular" Space Marines? Do we have valid reason to believe that GW will discontinue those box sets?

The story of 40k will progress with time.
The renaissance is at the gates, the dark age will transit into a brighter age.
The Primaris Marines are the first witnesses that such a transition takes place.

I actually don't know a single person who plays marines and owns numarines.

hobojebus wrote:
I actually don't know a single person who plays marines and owns numarines.

Here we have a guy (not a f*one) who fields a full Primaris army and is like 50:50 in winning.

I've met several people who own Primaris. I do too and really like their models, but that doesn't mean I don't like the regular marines and as someone else said, variety is a great thing. On the table Tac marines are good and cheaper than Intercessors. But Primaris make a good speartip for a force. I think they both have their uses so it would be a shame to lose the older marines.

For me, regular marine boxes are now just bit boxes I raid to upgrade my Primaris bodies. Currently making some devs to make use of the faq change on HB & ML strats.

 wuestenfux wrote:

phydaux wrote:
With the advent of Primaris marines, where does that leave "regular" Space Marines? Do we have valid reason to believe that GW will discontinue those box sets?

The story of 40k will progress with time.
The renaissance is at the gates, the dark age will transit into a brighter age.
The Primaris Marines are the first witnesses that such a transition takes place.

Ah, that bright moment before half the primaris turn traitor and the rest decide to fight oppression with oppression. You cannot escape the GrimDark. It sits there, always out of sight, laughing at your minor chaos 'gods' and plot fluff. In the end it will eat everything you ever loved about the game, chortling in the sound of rasping plastic and broken dreams.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people (understandably) dislike their fluff, but I've never met a single person in real life who do not like the models. Online opinions too seem to be overwhelmingly favourable to the models.

They look great, they just look weird next to the other hundreds of models I own.

to be fair on the giving normal space marines "new kits" they already have more variety then any other army if I recall the count correctly. I doubt they will discontinue any of those kits and will likely redo kits as they age to keep up with quality and detail in other lines. That said with Primaris I hope they eventually spin them off into their own codex with a bunch of new kits (read transports) and can balance both classic marines and primaris as standalone armies.

I hate primaris because I'm in the camp they are going to replace the guys I've painted and collected over the last 20 years.

I do like the sculpts. They are so much easier and fun for me to paint, but I agree that the mono-pose is sooooo boring. I like the reiver models but they are sooooo bad on the table.

I think that once they get another round of price cuts, the rest of the primarchs, cheaper/better transports, some decent strats, primaris termies/bikers/more heavy weapon options and a flyer they may actually belong on the table (still pissed that the deepstrike changes gutted by plasma ceptor bomb...) so 9th edition?

I think GW will have issues replacing all of the special characters but I don't think they won't try (grimaldus and helbrecht look really funny smaller than all of their troops...)

I hope they just adjust the old school marine statline and at least let me field them as chaff or go the other way and make all of them exalted veterans with bs 2+...

I hate Primaris, because they decide the Codex was a mistake.

I loved the flavor of a 5-man unit having small arms plus one special or heavy, and a 10man having one of each. And ASM squads. And Dev squads.

Primaris feel like DOWIII. It's just not what I want from my Marines.

I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...