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Bharring wrote:
I hate Primaris, because they decide the Codex was a mistake.

I loved the flavor of a 5-man unit having small arms plus one special or heavy, and a 10man having one of each. And ASM squads. And Dev squads.

Primaris feel like DOWIII. It's just not what I want from my Marines.

Having one of each weapon looks like garbage on the table because it doesn't look cohesive, and is stupid for crunch and fluff.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people (understandably) dislike their fluff, but I've never met a single person in real life who do not like the models. Online opinions too seem to be overwhelmingly favourable to the models.

They look great, they just look weird next to the other hundreds of models I own.

True. This is why I retired my minimarines.

Bharring wrote:
I hate Primaris, because they decide the Codex was a mistake.

I don't see it that way. The codex is what Guilliman believed was best based on resources available at the time (up to a few centuries post heresy, so we're talking nearly 10k years ago!).

Guilliman is a smart cookie, and recognises that times have changed, and also that his Primaris project has come to fruition. The codex was never meant be taken as gospel, as commandments written in stone. It was simply what Guilliman decided was best at that time now distant in the past.

Him changing it now doesn't mean it wasn't valid then, it's a recognition that things have changed.

 grouchoben wrote:
I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

 Crimson wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people (understandably) dislike their fluff, but I've never met a single person in real life who do not like the models. Online opinions too seem to be overwhelmingly favourable to the models.

They look great, they just look weird next to the other hundreds of models I own.

True. This is why I retired my minimarines.

And why I wont be buying Primaris.

Also, basically every Primaris unit that is not a Intercessor or Hellblaster looks like butt imo. Aggressors, Interceptors etc. are a no-go for me.

Using Intercessors as a base and then doing them up as a Tac squad is something I'd be interested in seeing, but then they're gonna look weird next to Bikes, Land Speeders and probably all the tanks since they either use the old sizes literally as crewmen, or are sized semi-appropriately with the old models. That said, if anyone has pics of primaris as Tacs, I'm still interested to see how they look.

The intercessors look amazing. Gravis armor is extra bulky but it's supposed to be - it's not going to look as nice. Inceptors I have to agree look stupid - kind of reminds me of a flying turtle somehow.

 Xenomancers wrote:
The intercessors look amazing. Gravis armor is extra bulky but it's supposed to be - it's not going to look as nice. Inceptors I have to agree look stupid - kind of reminds me of a flying turtle somehow.

Yeah I'd wager Inceptors are the only bad ones, but otherwise I'd totally do Primaris Marines if I weren't obsessed with the older Mk armors. Did you know I hate The aquila on the chest so much I almost never bought Marines? It just looks so silly!

What?!? You must not be a super man fan.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

They're incredibly boring.

pm713 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

They're incredibly boring.

I really can't understand how someone can look at that image and call it boring, it just baffles me. Unless you just don't like the Marine look in general?

The form of these newer models is simply stunning imo.

I mean, it is all opinion of course. But I can see how some people don't like the Gravis models. I just don't understand how anyone can look at that and not recognise the progress that is constantly being made in refining the basic marine design.

What looks interesting about it? It's all flat plates of yellow. The only bits that aren't empty are the aquila and the helmet. The helmet is just a heresy helmet but admittedly I've hated that helmet since day 1.

pm713 wrote:
What looks interesting about it? It's all flat plates of yellow. The only bits that aren't empty are the aquila and the helmet. The helmet is just a heresy helmet but admittedly I've hated that helmet since day 1.

See, I think flat plates of metal can look good. This is gorgeous, and is literally a box with wheels and guns.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What looks interesting about it? It's all flat plates of yellow. The only bits that aren't empty are the aquila and the helmet. The helmet is just a heresy helmet but admittedly I've hated that helmet since day 1.

See, I think flat plates of metal can look good. This is gorgeous, and is literally a box with wheels and guns.

They can. In the case of Primaris they don't.

pm713 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What looks interesting about it? It's all flat plates of yellow. The only bits that aren't empty are the aquila and the helmet. The helmet is just a heresy helmet but admittedly I've hated that helmet since day 1.

See, I think flat plates of metal can look good. This is gorgeous, and is literally a box with wheels and guns.

They can. In the case of Primaris they don't.

Subjectivity is a wonderful thing!

I assert that they do, and I love the primaris models. Fite me!

pm713 wrote:
What looks interesting about it? It's all flat plates of yellow. The only bits that aren't empty are the aquila and the helmet. The helmet is just a heresy helmet but admittedly I've hated that helmet since day 1.

The shapes, curves, form. They're frankly beautiful. Space isn't an inherently bad thing, just as too much intrecasy can be a very bad thing. To me they are perfectly balanced.

I'm clearly in the minority finding it boring then. Agree to disagree I suppose.

pm713 wrote:
I'm clearly in the minority finding it boring then. Agree to disagree I suppose.

They have a lot less bling. That's actually a good thing. Bling is bad

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'm clearly in the minority finding it boring then. Agree to disagree I suppose.

They have a lot less bling. That's actually a good thing. Bling is bad

I like some bling. But too much is definitely bad.

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'm clearly in the minority finding it boring then. Agree to disagree I suppose.

They have a lot less bling. That's actually a good thing. Bling is bad

I like some bling. But too much is definitely bad.

I like almost no bling, so I "get" Primaris HQ dudes a little bit better. I like making all my own dudes though so I don't care for any of the recent character models GW has done.

That said, the regular Primaris kits really aren't monopose.

Ill be buying Start Collecting! Space Marines soon just in case. I want an old school SM army with Indomitus, Corvus and Aquila pattern armour...

I honestly don't think old marines will die, if they kill them off they loose one of the major crossover points into 30k.
I suspect that normal marines may become more heresy focused but I do like forgeworld anyway just wish they could get some sort of intelligent way to get some synergies between what GW and FW are upto.

Personally, I'm not a fan at all of the Primaris lot, either aesthetically or conceptually, while I like the old marines just fine. But I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to claim I'm objectively correct in this – a lot of people, demonstrably, disagree with me.

I can't imagine they'll do away with the "classic" marines entirely, although I wouldn't be surprised if there were no further kits. Maybe they'll stop doing the kits eventually, but I would imagine there'll be rules of some sort that are compatible with them.

GW: "We have done the first batch of Primaris Marines basic to allow us design space to make the next batches of them more blinged, and not end up in "metal-nipples" territory as fast as in the past". (They actually said something in the line of this in one of those videos they did at the start of 8th. Not the metal-nipples part.)

"SM Fans": "Omg, primaris look so BLAND AND BORING!"

Yeah ,if you compare an Intercessor with a Wolf Guard or a Sanguinar Guard. But compared with a Tactical marine, they are equal on blandness. The Tacticals have just the mix of different armour types to make them stand out. But thats not a problem for 95% of the armies of the game where all of their models wear the same style of armour, even space marines with Terminators units have it that way.

(This is not apost agaisnt everyone that dislikes primaris. Theres many reasons to dislike them, or just to prefer the older models, but being bland isn't a sensible reason. Agressors and Intercessors aren't more boring than normal Terminators or Tacticals)

I mostly like the new Primaris. I dislike the look of the Inceptors, but other than that I like how they look.

I can't wait until GW releases some new units for Primaris and you know oldmarines won't be getting any.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

It's very well painted but... how can you like a model like that????? It's ugly. Maybe with a bare head (I can't stand the helmet) and the cut of those wings and halo from his jump pack he may be ok.


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 Galas wrote:

Agressors and Intercessors aren't more boring than normal Terminators or Tacticals

I agree, in fact I've always been a supporter of independent SM chapters and never like vanilla ones, especially ultramarines.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I hate Primaris, because they decide the Codex was a mistake.

I loved the flavor of a 5-man unit having small arms plus one special or heavy, and a 10man having one of each. And ASM squads. And Dev squads.

Primaris feel like DOWIII. It's just not what I want from my Marines.

Having one of each weapon looks like garbage on the table because it doesn't look cohesive, and is stupid for crunch and fluff.

Squad having different weapons is actually very realistic and been part of GW fluff so fluff is bad arqument...


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 Xenomancers wrote:

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

Too big. They arent' space marine scale anymore. I want space marines. Not some new type of units. I can't even use them as count as space marines because for that the scale is off.

Around half marine players switched to primaris here. They do indeed look and feel like true marines should. And rules are about right for them.

tneva82 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I hate Primaris, because they decide the Codex was a mistake.

I loved the flavor of a 5-man unit having small arms plus one special or heavy, and a 10man having one of each. And ASM squads. And Dev squads.

Primaris feel like DOWIII. It's just not what I want from my Marines.

Having one of each weapon looks like garbage on the table because it doesn't look cohesive, and is stupid for crunch and fluff.

Squad having different weapons is actually very realistic and been part of GW fluff so fluff is bad arqument...


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 Xenomancers wrote:

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

Too big. They arent' space marine scale anymore. I want space marines. Not some new type of units. I can't even use them as count as space marines because for that the scale is off.

Nothing about 40k should be realistic. Even my military friends think the Tactical Marine weapon system is garbage.


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 Blackie wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
I think the bodies are superb; the actual full boxes offer good poseability; shoulderpads, helmets, packs and weapons all scale up well (arms can work but can look too short). I think GW did a really good job in terms of allowing us to mod the basic body with all the gubbins we need to make them Our Guys ...

Easily the best looking marines ever produced in plastic. Anyone that doesn't like them is just but hurt or was anti marine in the first place. How could you not like these models?

It's very well painted but... how can you like a model like that????? It's ugly. Maybe with a bare head (I can't stand the helmet) and the cut of those wings and halo from his jump pack he may be ok.


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 Galas wrote:

Agressors and Intercessors aren't more boring than normal Terminators or Tacticals

I agree, in fact I've always been a supporter of independent SM chapters and never like vanilla ones, especially ultramarines.

Bare heads are the worst thing about any HQ model in the game.

I'm currently running purely Primaris marines, it gave 40k a new lease of life and It's more a hobby project more then anything.