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I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.

Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.

If we were going to start seeing more and more upgrade sprues to distinguish between clans etc, then, it would likely have started a long time ago with all the other factions. I believe, as it stands, on the Space Marine factions that have independent codices have upgrade packs to help distinguish them from “standard” Marines. (from GW at least – FW do have other upgrade packs)

Codex, tactical objectives and dice are all but a given. Not sure about the datacards, as they’ve only made an appearance for Knights so far (If they get released for SWs before Orkz, then, this will also be highly likely).

A new Ghaz model is a potential, but, it all depends on what GW want to do to him game and lore wise. If nothing really changes, then, I think the chances of a new model from nowhere are on the low side.

Might expect to see a snap fit, easy build Boyz box come out though.

 Jidmah wrote:
Upgrade sprues do make sense though. All plastic kits use the same boyz models (warbikers, lootaz, burnas, even the ork gunners on the battle wagon and the pilots in the jets).

On top of that, we know that GW has a hard time shifing their boyz since so many AOBR boyz are floating around. It would be win-win for them to just make tank bustas and kommadoz (plus something new?) upgrade sprues for a box of boyz.

Do you have a direct qoute on that about the boyz? Last time i spoke to a dev they told me things like Ork and Chaos sell just fine regardless of how well they do. This was like 2 years ago though.

tneva82 wrote:
Except there's no kit "nob bikers" and GW has been very sparse in letting units in codex without specific kit on sale.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Ork-Nob-Warbikes

Be careful with absolutes.


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 lolman1c wrote:
Do you have a direct qoute on that about the boyz? Last time i spoke to a dev they told me things like Ork and Chaos sell just fine regardless of how well they do. This was like 2 years ago though.

I really don't have the time to dig for the quote, but I'm very, very sure it was talking about boyz box only, maybe koptas as well. If anything, other kits were sold more often due to AOBR, not less. Haven't seen as many ork players around as in 5th ever again, and currently there are primaris, DG, ad mech, necron and knight armies everywhere. New players tend to go for the 2 army boxes.

Honestly, i think the majority of ork boyz now come from the starter set and all the other crap they shoved them into.. like that trukk bundle and kult of speed bundle... mostly all of mine are a mixture from stuff i got from bundles, stuff i mixed with fantasy, the £6 ork boxs i got on a sale for £4 each and old stuff from the 90s. My nobz come from both modern and black reach, koptas black reach, warboss is face rippa and black reach. That's about 120 boyz i own (i play mek list so don't need too many) and 60 of them come from old, 60 come from new. If a ugrade kit did come out to allow for kommandos and stuff i probably would spend like £60-100 on boyz and upgrade kits. But i wouldmdo from a place with 20% off so I ould get a few extra kits or boyz in.

I also own 12 big shootas i think come from the balck reach set. I won them for liek £2 by accident on ebay (basically i saw them, didn't feel like buyign them but put the start £2 bid down... and somehow won them. They're solid models and great to add when I'm low on boyz and points).

I have it from a reliable, anonymous and totally not made up source that a friend of his has said that Orks will be getting the same sorts of thing that other codex releases have had, and maybe some other stuff.

Kdash wrote:
I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.

Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.

The burnas/lootaz kit is literally an upgrade kit with 4 boyz included. Kommadoz used to be an upgrade kit for boyz sold by FW. And I bet most tank bustas that are seeing play today are just the heavy weapon boyz from boyz boxes, and not the 5 per box tank bustas with rokkit pistols and tankhammers. And 'ard boyz are just regular boyz with the 'ard boy parts from four other boxes glued to them. Warbikers are three bikes with three boyz in the same box.
Of course, most of those boxes have some unique torsos and heads, but every ork infantry units is either boyz+stuff or nobz+stuff.

They could create new units by just releasing sprues with weapons on them and printing "combines with a box of ork boyz!" on them.

Codex, tactical objectives and dice are all but a given. Not sure about the datacards, as they’ve only made an appearance for Knights so far (If they get released for SWs before Orkz, then, this will also be highly likely).

Datacards are the Powers+Objectives+Stratagem cards, every army has those.

Might expect to see a snap fit, easy build Boyz box come out though.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Ork-Boyz-4-models

Been there, done that.

They did an upgrade sprue for the flyer too, remember, Wazboom.

Maybe an upgrade kit for Trukks, with big guns and an enclosed cab to make gunwagons and armored Trukks? I know FW makes those, but it feels like they are slowly phasing out their Ork kits.

Haha, yeah they're the ones i got to practice painting my boyz when i got back i to orks. I bought i think 2 packets for £8... I can't see a whole force made of them but they're great for practice of colour schemes and for adding in different posed orks. The secret to a good ork force in lots of models from all different tiem periods of GW's production. There is honestly not much difference between them. Look here, these are all from the first plastic ork sets, old metal ones and new ones and I don't see any difference compared to my new orks unless I look in super close details (which won't ever happen when there is 100+plus).



I apologise for the sloppy scheme but i like my orks rushed and dirty XD but yeah... it is hard to tell up close the new from the old. So i coukd see the sale of new orks as a big problem.

As for the other stuff. Yeah i feel gw purposefully made it so orks are super easy to interchange... it's like lego... maybe theybhad this big plan but the higher ups stopped it at the ladt second.

*posts awesome ork pictures*

"Sorry for the bad painting"

I'll be over there, smashing my models with a hammer.

 Mousemuffins wrote:
I have it from a reliable, anonymous and totally not made up source that a friend of his has said that Orks will be getting the same sorts of thing that other codex releases have had, and maybe some other stuff.

Incredible, I made that same rumor up just now! So it is confirmed! The usual codex stuffs and something extra confirmed! Rejoice for there is great times ahead!

The thing is though, GW has put a lid on all rumor sources so everything you read (especially on BolS) is just made up gak. GW will announce all this stuff themselves in due time.

So, I just talked to my local GW manager, who, unlike every other GW manager, knows everything about the upcoming release. He let me flip to through the codex he got because reasons, and I can clearly tell you this:
- Awesome new fluff about Ghazghkull Tharkka
- Point reductions for many things
- Rules for Goff, Death Skulls, Bad Moons, Evil Suns and more!
- Five new warlord traits to chose from, one additional one for each clan
- There is a picture of model that looks new to me in there (might be wrong tho)
- At least 12 new stratagems, some have been seen in other codices
- Fully developed weird boy psychic discipline
- Tactical objective that involves charging things
- Ork dice
...
(Dont bother to put this on the rumor tracker)

Upgrade packs could simply be Ork Clan packs, similar to Space Marine Chapter Upgrade packs.

Or they could be larger sprues of bitz to convert 5 Ork Boyz models into 5 Tankbustas, 5 Kommandos, 5 Skar Boyz, etc. I hope we don't get half-assed this way though. I would prefer fully unique kits for such units.

GW could put a new additional sprue of Big Gunz bits into the overpriced Mek Gun kit...for the SAME price.

If these rumors turned out to be an *initial* release, that would be nice, but it should be followed up with plastic kits for things like an 'OOGE Squiggoth, Squig Rida's, a proppa tank, and units we've never had in plastic (and that everyone wants), such as Tankbustas, Kommados, etc.

I don't think clan sprues are especially implausible. All of them could have a few icons etc, Deathskulls could get chains of teef and flashier weapons, Goffs could get some pointier helmets calling back to the 2nd ed models, Snakebites more rustic looking weapons and hair shirts etc.

 Jidmah wrote:
So, I just talked to my local GW manager, who, unlike every other GW manager, knows everything about the upcoming release. He let me flip to through the codex he got because reasons, and I can clearly tell you this:
- Awesome new fluff about Ghazghkull Tharkka
- Point reductions for many things
- Rules for Goff, Death Skulls, Bad Moons, Evil Suns and more!
- Five new warlord traits to chose from, one additional one for each clan
- There is a picture of model that looks new to me in there (might be wrong tho)
- At least 12 new stratagems, some have been seen in other codices
- Fully developed weird boy psychic discipline
- Tactical objective that involves charging things
- Ork dice
...
(Dont bother to put this on the rumor tracker)

Yeah! He lso told me that there would be some relics! And Clan also would have one unique for each other.
Also he said that ork now would have a rule that makes troops objective secured.
And some new cool artworks.

Damn, forgot the relics.

One of them gives a psyker +1 to smite!

Kdash wrote:
I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.

Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.

Replace as in in old sprues? Nope. Too expensive to pay for new mold just to replace few parts.

If we were going to start seeing more and more upgrade sprues to distinguish between clans etc, then, it would likely have started a long time ago with all the other factions. I believe, as it stands, on the Space Marine factions that have independent codices have upgrade packs to help distinguish them from “standard” Marines. (from GW at least – FW do have other upgrade packs)

Actually GW is well known for changing styles midway. 8th ed is surpringly coherent in that term but even there mindset changing midway is visible. It's not as bad as in 7th ed for example when suddenly decurions came around leaving codexes without those in trouble. Or was it partway 4th where first rather modest codex style and midway again power upped dramatically leaving dark angels in jealously when shortly after marine codex(and others) were in new design parameters and kicked the crap out of codexes that had came before...



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 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Except there's no kit "nob bikers" and GW has been very sparse in letting units in codex without specific kit on sale.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Ork-Nob-Warbikes

Be careful with absolutes.

Ah yes now where's codex entry for warhound titan?

FW model kits don't translate into GW codex entries. GW treats FW models as non-existant.

Nice try buddy but epic fail.

Presumably the new Codex will include a load of special rules that all cause Mortal Wounds but they'll be worded slightly differently and all have different names.

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Except there's no kit "nob bikers" and GW has been very sparse in letting units in codex without specific kit on sale.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Ork-Nob-Warbikes

Be careful with absolutes.

Ah yes now where's codex entry for warhound titan?

FW model kits don't translate into GW codex entries. GW treats FW models as non-existant.

Nice try buddy but epic fail.

No fail. "there's no kit "nob bikers"" is an objectively wrong statement. You were wrong. Wroooooong. Wroooooooooooooooooooong.

 Jidmah wrote:
*posts awesome ork pictures*

"Sorry for the bad painting"

I'll be over there, smashing my models with a hammer.

I never said it was bad just my ork boyz are sloppy and rushed. Very oily, lots of washes to fill in mistskes ect. maybe i just am critical of my work more. XD but yeah, they're repainted 20 year old models. So i can see how people would look for cheaper alternatives.

 Jidmah wrote:

No fail. "there's no kit "nob bikers"" is an objectively wrong statement. You were wrong. Wroooooong. Wroooooooooooooooooooong.

http://games-workshop.com/ <- show me where in here kit is.

Epic fail #2 for you. How many are you willing to do it?

Gw doesn't provide rules for kits they don't sell. GW sells no nob biker kit. Period.

Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?

 zend wrote:
Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?

Yup. all nob bikers are "officially" is using the nob you get with your bikers as a separate unit.

Now if Tneva can just produce kits for....

space marine lieutenant
space marine ancient
space marine chapter champion
imperial guard company commander
adeptus mechanicus cybernetica datasmith
Imperial Guard conscripts
imperial guard tempestor prime
tyranid neurothrope
Sisters of Battle icon bearer
Grey Knights company champion
Dark Angels ravenwing ancient
Tau Firesight Marksman

oh you can't? oh, taking models from a particular kit and making rules for them as a variant unit is an extremely common thing GW does and has continued to do in 8th edition?

 zend wrote:
Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?

Yes but it's 1 nob. You can't really sell kit as "nob biker" if it makes up 1 out of 3 nob.

As for compatibility...Lots of stuff GW has dropped could be made with compatible parts. The whole space marine range is huge case of that and it used to be reason why marines are so popular. It's kit basher's wet dream. Well until GW started creating mono pose models with unique ways they are assembled. But despite tons of interchangability allowing to make various stuff by combining kits across multiple ranges you end up with rules being removed.

Thanks Chapterhouse!

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

No fail. "there's no kit "nob bikers"" is an objectively wrong statement. You were wrong. Wroooooong. Wroooooooooooooooooooong.

http://games-workshop.com/ <- show me where in here kit is.

Epic fail #2 for you. How many are you willing to do it?

Gw doesn't provide rules for kits they don't sell. GW sells no nob biker kit. Period.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving-the-Goalposts

Wrooooooooooooong.

It's not moving the goalposts. Of course we're not factoring in FW and only talking about the products that GW proper makes.

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

No fail. "there's no kit "nob bikers"" is an objectively wrong statement. You were wrong. Wroooooong. Wroooooooooooooooooooong.

http://games-workshop.com/ <- show me where in here kit is.

Epic fail #2 for you. How many are you willing to do it?

Gw doesn't provide rules for kits they don't sell. GW sells no nob biker kit. Period.

They sell nob bikers in the biker pack. 1 can be turned into an ork nob biker. Buy 3 packs and you got options for 3 nobz and 6 boyz which is a pretty standard old list. Saying this doesn't count would be saying units like big mek in mega armour will go because you can only get him from a pack and not alone.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Warbiker-Mob

'This boxed set contains 3 multi-part plastic Ork Warbikes, and includes options for an Ork Nob on Warbike, a variety of wargear options and extra details.'

So stop being rude to the guy and have a real debate, yah nob.

I don't know if they will remove nob bikers. They removed company veterans in bikes for SM so its a possibility.

What I'm sure they are gonna remove are HQ's in bikes.

You can build two nobz out of one warbiker kit. It has two nob torsos and heads, and two big choppas (one held over the head and one held in one hand). Warbiker nobz share their legs with boyz.

It all depends on how anal GW wants to be. If they want to be dumb and say they don't have a nob biker kit even though their own rules state that nothing is stopping you from counting the normal bikers as nobs too, then they'll remove the codex entry.

I have a little faith in GW, enough to believe they won't do that. I don't expect them to make rules for looted vehicles without making very specific and expensive kits for them though.

Anyways, I want an Armageddon theme for the Space Wolves/Orks releases. Box set with plastic Steel Legion (troops, special weapons, heavy weapons) would be delightful.

I’m more concerned about the Big Mek (and possibly also Warboss, although the FW model may save it) on bike, as there is clearly no such model. There isn’t even a regular, non MA, big mek with KFF any more. Would be a shame if I couldn’t use my old metal one.