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2018/06/27 21:07:55
Subject: Ork speculation/chat - [new rumour p75 and in OP-Clan Warlord Traits]
Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch.
Summary is as follows;
Release with codex; - ork codex + datacards
- ork codex includes rules for looted vehicles
- ork dice
- a gak load of upgrade packs for ork units (vague) and possibly vehicles (maybe looted wagons kit)
- a clampack warboss
- plastic Ghazkull Thraka model (no mention of size)
Release post codex; - Buggies/Trakks
- Koptas
Bring your salt, I would cry tears of Orky joy if this were true. What're your thoughts?
I have no association with the maker of the Youtube video, Kirioth.
According to Kirioth (guy who did video in OP) someone sent him the names of the Kustom Boosta-Blasta and Shokkjump Dragster (or whatever they're called) in advance of the announcement from Warhammer Community.
The person also gave the name of 3 other vehicles that he believes are coming. Bring but also pray, because some of these sound incredible;
"Boom-Dakka Snazz Wagon"
"Mega Trakk Scrap jet"
and my personal favourite;
"Squig Buggies"(!!!!!)
Bad Moons :4+ invulnerable save
Blood axes: if your warlord is on the battlefield, roll a dice for every command point used. On a 6 that command point is refunded
Deathskulls: warlord re rolls 1s when attacking a vehicle. Enemy characters can be targeted with a shooting attack by this warlord even if they are not the closest unit.
Evil sunz: evil suns units within 6” of the warlord can charge even if they fell back earlier in the turn.
Freebooters: reroll hit rolls of 1’s for attacks made by friendly freebooter models while within 6”s of this warlord.
Goffs: add 1 to this warlords attack characteristic
Snakebites: re roll morale for snakebite units when they are 6”s from this warlord. Gretchin auto pass morale when they are within 12”s of this warlord.
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Kinda skeptical about the upgrade packs for Orks. If that implies new wargear I'd be ecstatic, though I have a bad feeling it's just bitz to flash out our guys, which, while nice, would be a missed opportunity.
I feel that if there are rules for looted vehicles, it would be similar to the lines of the open play rules that SM got for their custom versions of Land Raiders. Again, it'd be great if it was made for matched play but I have a sinking feeling it would be more of a narrative/open addition rather than competitive.
The bigger question is whether or not the clampack warboss will at least have 2 weapons options: Big Choppa and Power Klaw or just one?
I doubt they'd go down the upgrade pack route (and upgrades for what Boyz? Nobz? something else?)
buggies keep getting mentioned and may well be true (although it's been so long since the original sources talked about them they could have been shelved as not something they want to run with as other stuff they've designed and not released)
Koptas make sense as the AoBR ones are gone, and Orks really need them in plastic if they stay in the codex
New Ghazkull lets them make a big(ger) kit so that makes sense
but overall i'd say this is a compilation of stuff from the web rather than a leak from anybody who's seen/talked about stuff with somebody from GW
Upgrade packs seem unlikley, especially if they plan on expanding the size of the individual ork miniatures (as rumored previously) Since Orcs wear so little armor, it'd be hard to make an upgrade pack that would suit the new and old models.
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Sorry to be clear - someone messaged the video maker with these rumours claiming they had seen the codex from someone who was under NDA. They did not name the person under NDA apparently.
I read the upgrade sprue as potentially a new unit. Possibly 'Ard Boyz?
I have no idea how likely those rumors are, but I'd be pretty happy with them. (Standard caveats about quality of execution apply.)
If they decide to keep the existing format for Boyz (and Lootas, Burnas, Warbikers, etc.) then upgrade packs might make a lit of sense. They could get rid of the expensive finecast Kommandoz and Tankbustas and give us upgrade packs that work with the regular Boyz kit. They could also bring back 'Ard Boyz and other units that have been cut over the years. There's also plenty of new stuff that could be added (Big Choppas as a special weapon choice for Boyz, for instance).
I really, really doubt this is a legitimate leak, but possible upgrade packs could include:
Nob bikers, a laFW's ones.
Character bikers, either riders for the warbiker kit or bikes which can attach to new characters.
'Ard boyz (not really needed so long as you have a lot of boyz kits)
Kommandos (backpacks, new heads, knives)
Tankbustas (lots of rokkits, more TB bombs, bomb squigs, tankhamma, rokkit pistols)
New infantry units (skarboys, madboyz)
Cybork bits (either as their own unit or a generic upgrade)
Clans
Bits to convert new models into special characters
There are loads of options for vehicle upgrade packs as well. If they release a wartrakk kit, there might be a skorcha upgrade sprue. They could add another sprue to the stompa to make big mek stompas or some other variant. Looted wagon kit. All kinds of possibilities.
What I would actually expect though would be something more like:
Grukk repackaged as generic warboss.
Biker nob / biker painboy / biker mek kit.
Gaz / other prime-ork dual kit.
Biker warboss.
Buggy / new vehicle dual kit.
Wartrakk / new vehicle dual kit.
Tankbusta / new infantry unit dual kit.
That would be comparable to recent big releases like Death Guard.
Rules for looted wagons in chapter approved. They are already going to sell the codex to every ork player, might as well make sure they buy CA as well.
Back in second editions the different clans had very different looks and it was not only colour. That's what the upgrade packs could be, and it would be awesome if they were... Orks have needed that character back.
Imagine how awesome a freebooterz kit could be
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I know a community leader who has a copy of the Codex (in hilariously shoddy PDF form... it was my first time seeing what WiPGW books look like), and while he gave me a minute with it, the only thing I outright saw was that Orks do indeed pick a Clan the way Marines/Chaos pick their Chapter/Legion.
Rubenite wrote: I remember there was this tidbit late last year. As no-new Sisters vehicles ever surfaced, this could perhaps lend credence to the idea that new Ork vehicles are indeed coming soon?
Chikout wrote: I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Someone more dedicated than I could scour his twitter account for further clues.
As this was waaaaayy before the big survey and decision to do Sisters, I'd say he was definitely working on Ork vehicles. Combined with this still unsolved rumour engine a new buggy kit is almost certainly happening.
I was just playing DOW2 Retribution yesterday and realized how much armor the regular BC nobz wear in that game (by ork standards anyway). Lots more armor on the chest/shoulders. Would be really cool if these rumored upgrade packs (if true) let us beef nobz up a bit more especially since they have a 4+ save (eavy armor) by default now
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Eh, seems like completely unsubstantiated rumors to me.
On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
Overall, I don't think it's valid.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it does happen to be accurate, I'd likely only be interested in the clampack warboss and new ghaz. And possibly dice.
I'm still buried in deffkoptas, and unless something drastic happens with buggies, I doubt I'd be interested, especially since I have some already.
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"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." Words to live by.
New koptas would be nice, I never got any from AOBR and now they’re fairly expensive since they’re not the current set (assuming they’re any good now)
Off the top of my head they still have a BW deffrolla one and some other bits, and there used to be a conversion pack to covert a standard LR to a LRC or LRR but idk if that exists anymore
Space Marine chapters have primaris upgrade sprues, so it could be a trend for nobs or bosses.
I couldn’t see a boys upgrade kit unless it was just ard boys armour. Like that old metal mess they had ages ago (with 7 shoulder pads - or something - and a head).
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Whether or not this is legitimate, no one can say. I will say this: Except for the upgrade sprues and the warboss kit, everything in that rumor has already been in rumor circulation for some time. It might be legit.
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Most of these rumors have been circulating for awhile now, I think the only new ones are Ghaz and the upgrade sprue. Most of it seems reasonable, though I'd think they would have a much bigger release and we'd have heard more about it if Ghaz was really lined up for a release soon.
Kap'n Krump wrote: Eh, seems like completely unsubstantiated rumors to me.
On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
Overall, I don't think it's valid.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it does happen to be accurate, I'd likely only be interested in the clampack warboss and new ghaz. And possibly dice.
I'm still buried in deffkoptas, and unless something drastic happens with buggies, I doubt I'd be interested, especially since I have some already.
Well, there are several for the main Space Marine chapters, other than that the main one I can think of is the Genestealer Cult sprue that you can get for Guardsmen. In the former, I believe it is mostly shoulder pads, with one or two weapons and a head, and in the later it was heads, knives with cult symbols on them, and a few designs to put on vehicles.
For a theoretical Ork kit, I'm not sure what it would include - new weapons? Symbols for a specific clan? Maybe a group of torsos and shoulder pads to turn regular Boyz into 'Ard Boyz?
It's interesting about the delayed release of buggies & koptas, if true. This would be one of the first rumors of any kind about what GW will be doing in the fall or next year.
The Sisters release can only keep them busy for a few weeks...what else are they going to be doing in the fall & spring?
Orks still have quite a bit that needs converted over to plastic.
Characters:
Generic warboss (grukk could fill that role)
Warboss in mega armor (possibly combo kit with Ghazkull
Warboss on bike
Wyrd boy
Big mek with kff Nob with waaagh banner
endtransmission wrote: What if the upgrade packs are klans, like we have chapter and cult sprues?
Or characters. Upgrade boyz to characters. This way orks wouldn't lose tons of their HQ options...Might be one way they solve that rather than release like half a dozen+ new character model.
I have lots of doubts but honestly if it was all true then this would be more than enough for me to be happy woth orks for once. The ability to have more options would be great even if they all sucked... i would rather have a unique bad army than a good ine that's just a clone of every other army in the world.
For me the most credible thing about this rumour is that it isn't too outlandish. I could imagine GW doing the different things because they are relatively simple and easy to do. As others have said it also ties in with other rumours.
Regardless, at least it gives us something to talk about 40k related! :-D
An Actual Englishman wrote: For me the most credible thing about this rumour is that it isn't too outlandish. I could imagine GW doing the different things because they are relatively simple and easy to do. As others have said it also ties in with other rumours.
Regardless, at least it gives us something to talk about 40k related! :-D
Haha, i get yah. The idea that GW makes a smart idea and goes "Hey! Ork players! Here are some rules for you to buy every single model we own to make us more money!" Is too smart and beyond GW line of past thinking. Also breaks all their rules so far...
I think these are more likely to get cut than anything else, much like the 'Elite' Dark Eldar units that no longer exist because they don't make specific kits for them.
Upgrade sprues do make sense though. All plastic kits use the same boyz models (warbikers, lootaz, burnas, even the ork gunners on the battle wagon and the pilots in the jets).
On top of that, we know that GW has a hard time shifing their boyz since so many AOBR boyz are floating around. It would be win-win for them to just make tank bustas and kommadoz (plus something new?) upgrade sprues for a box of boyz.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Kap'n Krump wrote: On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
They could do another weapon sprue for the battlewagon, or convert the FW Trukk kits to plastic (Enclosed Cab / Halftrakk).
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MajorWesJanson wrote: Orks still have quite a bit that needs converted over to plastic.
Characters:
Generic warboss (grukk could fill that role)
Warboss in mega armor (possibly combo kit with Ghazkull
Warboss on bike
Wyrd boy
Big mek with kff Nob with waaagh banner
That is all before any other potential units they could add.
I don't think big guns will be in the new codex, mek guns have replaced them.
Also note that nob bikers are build by eiither building two nobz out of one box of warbikers, or by combining a box of nobz with two warbiker kits, the nobz models have been made to fit warbikes. So we basically have plastic nob bikers.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
but also pray, because some of these sound incredible;
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