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 SickSix wrote:
What about MkVI? That armor would have huge crossover potential. Much more than MK II. People scour bits sites just to be able to build whole squads of MK VI. That would be a much better choice overall than MK II in my opinion.

But it's looking bleak for 30k right now. The BL is starting siege of Terra and there is only really one legion left for major release (Although we are still missing 3 primarchs).

I just don't see another big boxed game for HH coming out.

A smaller Start Collecting box is far more probable.

My money is on Mk 5, and it'll be Siege of Terra based. All of the invading Legions were extremely battle tested at this point, as were all of the defenders, sans Imperial Fists. Everyone was wearing patchwork armor scrounged together from whatever they could find at that point. It would jive with the phase of the story they're entering, and be a very versatile kit that they could release.

Pancakey wrote:
I thought GW was in the process of officially killing of 30k.

Yes, hence why this is a rumor.

I don’t think we will get any new models using the old scale except maybe for resin stuff that has already been in development.

It would be neat if FW took their Legion torso CAD and applied it to the Primaris torsos. They would move a lot of those.

 djones520 wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
What about MkVI? That armor would have huge crossover potential. Much more than MK II. People scour bits sites just to be able to build whole squads of MK VI. That would be a much better choice overall than MK II in my opinion.

But it's looking bleak for 30k right now. The BL is starting siege of Terra and there is only really one legion left for major release (Although we are still missing 3 primarchs).

I just don't see another big boxed game for HH coming out.

A smaller Start Collecting box is far more probable.

My money is on Mk 5, and it'll be Siege of Terra based. All of the invading Legions were extremely battle tested at this point, as were all of the defenders, sans Imperial Fists. Everyone was wearing patchwork armor scrounged together from whatever they could find at that point. It would jive with the phase of the story they're entering, and be a very versatile kit that they could release.

The whole patchwork armor thing isn't necessarily true. For example, the Imperial Fists were extremely well supplied and had a somewhat limited involvement during the Heresy in preparation for the siege. The featured armor (at least for the loyalist side) that would make the most sense is MK 7, as it was developed on Mars and hastily shipped off to Terra and Luna before the siege. As much as I would rather not see standard 40k Tactical squads in a 30K box, it would actually be a lore friendly thing.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The whole patchwork armor thing isn't necessarily true. For example, the Imperial Fists were extremely well supplied and had a somewhat limited involvement during the Heresy in preparation for the siege. The featured armor (at least for the loyalist side) that would make the most sense is MK 7, as it was developed on Mars and hastily shipped off to Terra and Luna before the siege. As much as I would rather not see standard 40k Tactical squads in a 30K box, it would actually be a lore friendly thing.

Is there a recent source for that? I know that's what WD129 says, but that's been contradicted a few times now - Mechanicum states it was "twelve thousand suits of Mark IV armour" the Fists evacuated from Mars, for example.

I might be in the minority, but I'd love to see MkV armour.

I still think they need to do mk II in plastic. The mk II isn't available in resin anymore last I checked. And that armor was the iconic late crusade/early heresy look.

 Fifty wrote:
I might be in the minority, but I'd love to see MkV armour.

No, I'll second that - I was excited when they released the Praevian in Mark V.

beast_gts wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The whole patchwork armor thing isn't necessarily true. For example, the Imperial Fists were extremely well supplied and had a somewhat limited involvement during the Heresy in preparation for the siege. The featured armor (at least for the loyalist side) that would make the most sense is MK 7, as it was developed on Mars and hastily shipped off to Terra and Luna before the siege. As much as I would rather not see standard 40k Tactical squads in a 30K box, it would actually be a lore friendly thing.

Is there a recent source for that? I know that's what WD129 says, but that's been contradicted a few times now - Mechanicum states it was "twelve thousand suits of Mark IV armour" the Fists evacuated from Mars, for example.

It might get a mention in an upcoming novel if any of the authors consider it sufficiently interesting, I suppose.

Personally I'd like mark 6. ideally mark 5 and mark 6, but that's unlikely, I think. Mind you, I think a new box set is unlikely, so I might as well wish for the best.

If they would move to not support 30k, would they at least make the 30k models valid in 40k?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
If they would move to not support 30k, would they at least make the 30k models valid in 40k?

Most of the 30k models you can't use in 40k are Mechanicum. Of the Legion units almost all the wargear either still exists in 40k or has an easy equivalence; off the top of my head the only models that have absolutely no rules are Recon units and the jetbikes.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
If they would move to not support 30k, would they at least make the 30k models valid in 40k?

I bet 40k loses non-primaris marines first.

 Thargrim wrote:
I still think they need to do mk II in plastic. The mk II isn't available in resin anymore last I checked. And that armor was the iconic late crusade/early heresy look.

Yea I'd like to see this too, if you want to set games in the Great Crusade you kinda need the main armour type!
As far as I understand it, the Mk.III armour was specialist breacher equipment and not in general use.

I'd personally rather have a plastic assault squad or Breacher squad rather than getting a third bolter-Tactical squad, whatever the armour mark.

most of legion specialist units also cant be used in 40k....a lot of the special terminators have options you cant use in 40k.....

Even if you wanted to use terminators in 40k lol.

chaos45 wrote:
most of legion specialist units also cant be used in 40k....a lot of the special terminators have options you cant use in 40k.....

Even if you wanted to use terminators in 40k lol.

Most of them are semi-functional proxies where they're about the right size/shape and most of the loadouts exist (ex. to turn a Sekhmet squad into a Scarab Occult squad you take out the powerfists and add the rotor cannon/missile launcher back in, either with magnetized arms or spare models). A few are really easy direct swaps (Dark Furies are just VV with lightning claws, for instance), but very few have no use in 40k. Even the battle-automata could be used as Helbrutes if you squint sideways at them long enough.

If you are playing a WYSIWYG tournament you are flat out wrong and giving people misguided information AnomanderRake.

I own lots of 30k models which are now useless outside of 30k games or have to be proxies that would not be useable in a WYSIWYG event.

Almost all the special units have weapon load outs that are not allowed in 40k.

The one you specifically point out is one of the few that is completely useable, while the majority are not.

Yes if you have vanilla marine units with standard load outs you can swap between 30k and 40k to an extent....but again as my statement said its the special units that do not convert well at all.

Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

Im hoping for:

-30 MKII Tactical

-3 Rapier Teams (multiple options)

-20 MKII/IV/V Assault or 20 MKIII Breachers

-5 of either Cataphracti or Tartaros Terminators

-Centurion or Praetor

I really wish for Saturnite terminators. They'll be so big.

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

Because that was one of the major selling points of the first game system to start with, especially for people who live in areas where most people played the second one.

beast_gts wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The whole patchwork armor thing isn't necessarily true. For example, the Imperial Fists were extremely well supplied and had a somewhat limited involvement during the Heresy in preparation for the siege. The featured armor (at least for the loyalist side) that would make the most sense is MK 7, as it was developed on Mars and hastily shipped off to Terra and Luna before the siege. As much as I would rather not see standard 40k Tactical squads in a 30K box, it would actually be a lore friendly thing.

Is there a recent source for that? I know that's what WD129 says, but that's been contradicted a few times now - Mechanicum states it was "twelve thousand suits of Mark IV armour" the Fists evacuated from Mars, for example.

In WD129 MkVII was not produced on Mars, the design team was evacuated when the planet fell and they finished their work on Earth where the armour was rushed into production shortly before the Siege of Terra. Mechanicum contradicts WD129 by having Mars fall at the very beginning of the Heresy when MkIV was still in production rather than near the end when it was MkVI. The modern narrative makes MkVII more likely since now MkVI had undergone full field tests prior to the Heresy whereas in the original fluff it was developed from scratch after the Heresy broke out - this means they have even longer for MkVI to evolve in MkVII.

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

You are playing same rules as game you are already playing, wanna have a game with your buddy with his army from 40k? No problem, it's compatible..wanna play some 'unification wars xeno game' vs orks, eldar etc.. no problem, you play it vs your buddy. Can't do that any more.

Anyone interested from 40k, can much more easily switch to it if they are interested. As we saw when those boxes were released.

OP

I would love to see:

Plastic Mark 2. Would actually start a new heresy army if they did that.

Plastic Breachers (As an aside I can imagine a Primaris equivalent soon)

Plastic assault marines

Plastic Demos (Although if the Sisters Demos Rhino has the option to be “plain” then you should be able to use that)

 smurfORnot wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

You are playing same rules as game you are already playing, wanna have a game with your buddy with his army from 40k? No problem, it's compatible..wanna play some 'unification wars xeno game' vs orks, eldar etc.. no problem, you play it vs your buddy. Can't do that any more.

Anyone interested from 40k, can much more easily switch to it if they are interested. As we saw when those boxes were released.

Well, no actually, you can still do that. Easily. The models are still there, the rules still exist, most folk will still have them unless they're one of those crackpots that just chucks the whole previous edition/s in the bin as soon as a new one rolls around. Many of those 40K players who prefer 8th as a system just don't want to.

That's unfortunate for anyone who's stuck with nobody else to play but it's not a problem with 30K, it's a problem with some folk being too selfish to put a tiny smidge of effort in for the sake of a gaming buddy.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

You are playing same rules as game you are already playing, wanna have a game with your buddy with his army from 40k? No problem, it's compatible..wanna play some 'unification wars xeno game' vs orks, eldar etc.. no problem, you play it vs your buddy. Can't do that any more.

Anyone interested from 40k, can much more easily switch to it if they are interested. As we saw when those boxes were released.

Well, no actually, you can still do that. Easily. The models are still there, the rules still exist, most folk will still have them unless they're one of those crackpots that just chucks the whole previous edition/s in the bin as soon as a new one rolls around. Many of those 40K players who prefer 8th as a system just don't want to.

That's unfortunate for anyone who's stuck with nobody else to play but it's not a problem with 30K, it's a problem with some folk being too selfish to put a tiny smidge of effort in for the sake of a gaming buddy.

Switching back and forth from similiar gaming systems is annoying and can mess with ones head.
I am never going back to 7th and I nly have a small HH force that is waiting for it to convert to 8th, like Alan Bligh Intended

 Yodhrin wrote:
Well, no actually, you can still do that. Easily. The models are still there, the rules still exist, most folk will still have them unless they're one of those crackpots that just chucks the whole previous edition/s in the bin as soon as a new one rolls around. Many of those 40K players who prefer 8th as a system just don't want to.

That's unfortunate for anyone who's stuck with nobody else to play but it's not a problem with 30K, it's a problem with some folk being too selfish to put a tiny smidge of effort in for the sake of a gaming buddy.

You can still do as you describe if your opponents are up for playing 7ed, with their old 7ed codexes. I mean, you COULD all play 3ed if you still have the books, right? But if you make the decision to do that you'll probably get less games and play less often, because most 40k players don't want to play 7ed any more.

Realistically, the better option for people without huge HH communities is just to give up playing Heresy and use their models as 40k Marines or 40k Chaos Marines, shelving any models that don't fit. This is objectively a worse system for retaining players than the previous one (HH and 40k have compatible rules).

As an aside, many players I know are short on space and aren't sentimental about keeping old gamebooks. I don't think I have any 7ed codexes any more - gave them away to clear shelf space.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do units for 1 game/system need to be compatible and used in another separate game/system?

You are playing same rules as game you are already playing, wanna have a game with your buddy with his army from 40k? No problem, it's compatible..wanna play some 'unification wars xeno game' vs orks, eldar etc.. no problem, you play it vs your buddy. Can't do that any more.

Anyone interested from 40k, can much more easily switch to it if they are interested. As we saw when those boxes were released.

Well, no actually, you can still do that. Easily. The models are still there, the rules still exist, most folk will still have them unless they're one of those crackpots that just chucks the whole previous edition/s in the bin as soon as a new one rolls around. Many of those 40K players who prefer 8th as a system just don't want to.

That's unfortunate for anyone who's stuck with nobody else to play but it's not a problem with 30K, it's a problem with some folk being too selfish to put a tiny smidge of effort in for the sake of a gaming buddy.

Switching back and forth from similiar gaming systems is annoying and can mess with ones head.
I am never going back to 7th and I nly have a small HH force that is waiting for it to convert to 8th, like Alan Bligh Intended

When did Bligh intend to convert the game to 8th? In all honesty it's a shame that never happened.

With book 8 coming out and a bunch of unreleased demon models (also sigmar demons coming out now) I'm kind of hoping for a Blood angels v demons box with a "Fear to Tread" skirmish game.

I'm pretty sure they've said they are sticking with 7th.