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Elbows wrote: Come on...we also know if a unit akin to Chaos Knights ever showed up for AoS it'd have a suitable absurd name: Akaric Slaughterborn Bloodkin Baleriders, or some awful crap.
That sounds pretty metal honestly....
But here's to hoping. Have we seen any other indications of cnights soon?
what now we've seen a regimental standard article about chaos knights, a specific callout to chaos knights in the Knights faction focus, and a apocylpse datacard for the new chaos knight. this is a lot of information all considered, which suggests to me they're damned close.
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Elbows wrote: Come on...we also know if a unit akin to Chaos Knights ever showed up for AoS it'd have a suitable absurd name: Akaric Slaughterborn Bloodkin Baleriders, or some awful crap.
That sounds pretty metal honestly....
But here's to hoping. Have we seen any other indications of cnights soon?
what now we've seen a regimental standard article about chaos knights, a specific callout to chaos knights in the Knights faction focus, and a apocylpse datacard for the new chaos knight. this is a lot of information all considered, which suggests to me they're damned close.
And as an aside? Traitor Command for BSF is also up for pre-order (arrrh! Right in the wallet!). Now, check out this wording....
This expansion contains two brand-new models, which will initially only be available in this set – a Traitor Commissar and his bodyguard, a Chaos Ogryn.
Given they’re not currently usable outside of BSF, having no Codex? Have GW just tipped us off that we’ll be seeing full Renegade Guard?
I for one bloody hope so!
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True, it's possible they just got rid of the Forgeworld minis because these came out, and it's feasible they didn't want to do anything proper with them. We shall see.
2019/06/30 18:08:59
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
Elbows wrote: True, it's possible they just got rid of the Forgeworld minis because these came out, and it's feasible they didn't want to do anything proper with them. We shall see.
Interesting point.
I for one have my fingers crossed I’m correct, because Renegades would be a much welcome, and far too seldom seen, addition to the game
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*Loyalist leg envy intensifies*
Funny how quickly some things change. Remember when IK first appeared in 40k, and there background said that the Throne Mechanicum brainwashing made traitor knights super rare? Glad to see that's been well and truly dumped(along with all the pilots being male).
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2019/06/30 19:09:14
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
Fluff marches on all the time. The brainwashing is still present, but thankfully it has been tweaked to be less idiotic.
They did say that some of these houses date back to the Heresy, so the ingrained loyalty is still very much present, but more directed towards the Warmaster and Dark Mechanicum than the Imperium and Mechanicus.
I'm hoping that the OG "modern" Renegade Knight, the one featured in both boxed sets, is also in the codex and maybe given some background as to how it has fallen to Chaos.
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2019/06/30 20:13:08
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
Well, the idea that anything is "super rare" is a little silly in a game like 40K where millions of people play Space Marines, tiny, nearly insignificant collections of super soldiers numbering less than half the students of my old high school.
That and things like Primarchs showing up in nearly every game, etc. There could be a dozen Renegade Knights in existence and logically they'd appear in every game as well
I often enjoy the bizarre "there is only war" claim about all the Grimdark when the reality is that at any one point in time, 99.85% of the Imperium's planets are just enjoying the daily struggle of putting calorie-paste on the table for their family etc. No war, no nothing. They might be producing armaments or foodstuffs for the greater Imperium...but "most" Imperial citizens would logically go through their short, miserable lives without seeing so much as the occasional rebel or street gang.
2019/06/30 20:17:03
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
GoatboyBeta wrote: *Loyalist leg envy intensifies*
Funny how quickly some things change. Remember when IK first appeared in 40k, and there background said that the Throne Mechanicum brainwashing made traitor knights super rare? Glad to see that's been well and truly dumped(along with all the pilots being male).
As a confirmed Sad Old Git? That was the first and indeed only mention of such nonsense.
Now, what happen when a Retcon is Retconned? I dunno!
But then, I’m so deep into Sad Old Git territory that I can remember when the Chimera was an adaptation of the Baslisk chassis!
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Traitor Knights are certainly still super rare in the background.
Hell, Chaos Space Marines are super rare.
Normal Space Marines are super rare.
Even more elite guard stuff like Tempestus Scions, etc.. are super rare.
And having some Knight households turn traitor in the good ol' Heresy days, etc.. would certainly make for a pretty good reason to up the loyalty brainwashing for regular Knights (also super rare), even if nobody in a given galactic segmentum has seen a Traitor Knight in, say, 2000 years or so (which is nothing in 40K timescale, and just think of how technology, society, customs, politics, religions, etc.. moved on just one tiny planet called Earth in a measly 2000 years).
2019/06/30 20:23:37
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
yeah super rare doesn't mean it can't have a codex. I mean, Space Wolves full numbers have been estimated as being ~1500-2000 Marines. so 2500 of something in the galaxy... and that warrents it a codex. Meanwhile Black Templars, another chapter that proably at best was only a few thousand strong. warrented a codex.
if they warrent a codex then yeah chaos knights can get one too. GW has never done codices based on what was rare or not. otherwise we'd have a lost and the damned codex, which is the most common force of chaos you see (CSMs showing up is a rare and terrifying thing)
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2019/06/30 20:34:01
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
BrianDavion wrote: yeah super rare doesn't mean it can't have a codex. I mean, Space Wolves full numbers have been estimated as being ~1500-2000 Marines. so 2500 of something in the galaxy... and that warrents it a codex. Meanwhile Black Templars, another chapter that proably at best was only a few thousand strong. warrented a codex.
if they warrent a codex then yeah chaos knights can get one too. GW has never done codices based on what was rare or not. otherwise we'd have a lost and the damned codex, which is the most common force of chaos you see (CSMs showing up is a rare and terrifying thing)
Think of the table top game as the Olympics/World Cup/Super Bowl of 40k. All the battles against cultists armed with bolt action rifles or feral orks with spears or Planetary Forces with lasguns and jeeps are long over. They got knocked off early. Now it's down to the Chaos Knights, the Marine Demi Companies, the Custodeus, the literal Eldar God of War etc.
Nothing but the best.
2019/07/01 01:33:51
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
BrianDavion wrote: yeah super rare doesn't mean it can't have a codex. I mean, Space Wolves full numbers have been estimated as being ~1500-2000 Marines. so 2500 of something in the galaxy... and that warrents it a codex. Meanwhile Black Templars, another chapter that proably at best was only a few thousand strong. warrented a codex.
if they warrent a codex then yeah chaos knights can get one too. GW has never done codices based on what was rare or not. otherwise we'd have a lost and the damned codex, which is the most common force of chaos you see (CSMs showing up is a rare and terrifying thing)
Think of the table top game as the Olympics/World Cup/Super Bowl of 40k. All the battles against cultists armed with bolt action rifles or feral orks with spears or Planetary Forces with lasguns and jeeps are long over. They got knocked off early. Now it's down to the Chaos Knights, the Marine Demi Companies, the Custodeus, the literal Eldar God of War etc.
Nothing but the best.
that and the table top game features fights that are going to be close 90% of the battles in the 40k universe are proably one sided curb stomps,mbuty we rarely hear about those, and never see them on the table top because they're boring
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2019/07/01 02:50:31
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
that and the table top game features fights that are going to be close 90% of the battles in the 40k universe are proably one sided curb stomps,mbuty we rarely hear about those, and never see them on the table top because they're boring
Perhaps after Warhammer Apocalypse GW can make Warhammer Last Tuesday where the only armies allowed are IG with a grenade launcher, feral orks with a power klaw and Culitsts with a flamer.
I'd buy it.
An optional unit would be a single tactical marine who takes on both armies.
2019/07/01 06:24:57
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
that and the table top game features fights that are going to be close 90% of the battles in the 40k universe are proably one sided curb stomps,mbuty we rarely hear about those, and never see them on the table top because they're boring
Perhaps after Warhammer Apocalypse GW can make Warhammer Last Tuesday where the only armies allowed are IG with a grenade launcher, feral orks with a power klaw and Culitsts with a flamer.
I'd buy it.
An optional unit would be a single tactical marine who takes on both armies.
ya know, a small one shot pack about movie Marines could be kinda fun,
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2019/07/01 07:19:09
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
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2019/07/01 07:21:28
Subject: Re:Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
Traitor Knights are certainly still super rare in the background.
Hell, Chaos Space Marines are super rare.
Normal Space Marines are super rare.
Even more elite guard stuff like Tempestus Scions, etc.. are super rare.
And having some Knight households turn traitor in the good ol' Heresy days, etc.. would certainly make for a pretty good reason to up the loyalty brainwashing for regular Knights (also super rare), even if nobody in a given galactic segmentum has seen a Traitor Knight in, say, 2000 years or so (which is nothing in 40K timescale, and just think of how technology, society, customs, politics, religions, etc.. moved on just one tiny planet called Earth in a measly 2000 years).
Well, they surely aren't as rare as Custodes, so...
2019/07/01 08:18:40
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
Imperial Knights are easy to manufacture and maintain, especially due to being meant as something colonists could construct should the need arise. Not as cheap or easy as say, a Sentinel, but certainly not as massive an invest of resources, knowledge and time as even the smallest of titans.
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2019/07/01 08:23:31
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July
BrookM wrote: Imperial Knights are easy to manufacture and maintain, especially due to being meant as something colonists could construct should the need arise. Not as cheap or easy as say, a Sentinel, but certainly not as massive an invest of resources, knowledge and time as even the smallest of titans.
in fairness EVERYTHING the IoM uses was built for colonists. that's the point oif the entire STC system.. which is kinda humbling when you think of it, the mighiest weapons the IoM has, are all essentially likely the tools of planetary militas from the golden age
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2019/07/01 15:01:22
Subject: Chaos Knights up for preorder 6th of July