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pm713 wrote:
The Indomitus Crusade rocking up could have been that. It doesn't really hype up Chaos if they do the equivalent of "mwahahahahaa we'll get you next time Blood Angels!".

Its actually slightly worse than that, as these daemons of Khorne basically rescued the blood angels by stomping on the hive fleet. And then... left. So they basically brought the fighting to a halt and stopped the blood flowing, which seems pretty at odds for daemons of Khorne. Its less 'we'll get you next time' and more 'Hey, buddy, looks like you need a hand. Peace out!'

Its also very confusing, since the daemons were on one of the moons and not any of the others and had no space presence, so its completely unclear why this stopped the hive fleet in any way at all, let alone how it stopped the 'nids who were literally coming over the fortress walls on a different planet when the narrative fades to black around Dante.

Sgt_Smudge wrote:There's nothing stopping anyone else from playing their own campaigns in the galaxy of trillions of sentient beings which have nothing to do with the Primarchs.

Who cares what GW focus on?

What GW focuses on determines what tools people have when crafting their own campaign. It's hard to design a DW v. tau campaign where there is very little information on what tau civilian infrastructure looks like. Would you be fighting in hive-like cities or suburbs or what?

the_scotsman wrote:It'd be real real real real cool if the 40k fluff where there's a galaxy full of trillions of sentient beings could not entirely center around 12 omnipresent marty stues.

I don't think you're wrong here, I'm just annoyed that I think your fan theory is completely realistic considering GW's recent fluff obsession with the fething primarchs.

It does make complete sense based on everything we known about the nids, BA, etc. This doesn't necessarily mean Sangunius is coming back. He could either get ferried somewhere else (assuming the nids are repulsed entirely and never come back), the BA could vaporize his body to keep it from falling into enemy hands, he could be consumed by the nids and become a tyrannid-primarch, or elf-voodoo magic can bring him back at the last minute. The middle two are certainly the most compelling, but I think your right that GW will pick the first or the last.

I don't it's bad that the primarchs are coming back, they're a part of 40k lore and it's interesting to see how they react to the current state of things. We already know what the galaxy was like without it and anything big enough to hope to change the current way things are going will have to be primarch level. It's why I consider 40k to be a separate setting from 42k.

pm713 wrote:Anyone who likes reading black library? Focusing on your dudes is all well and good but it's really tiring when the output is marine marine marine marine marine bad eldar book marine marine marine marine marines but with some tau marine marine marine.

You can always choose not to read it, in all fairness, but I see what you mean about there being a lack of other things - that is a problem.

However, the post I was replying to was talking about the Primarchs specifically, who are far easier to ignore.

Eipi10 wrote:

Sgt_Smudge wrote:There's nothing stopping anyone else from playing their own campaigns in the galaxy of trillions of sentient beings which have nothing to do with the Primarchs.

Who cares what GW focus on?

What GW focuses on determines what tools people have when crafting their own campaign. It's hard to design a DW v. tau campaign where there is very little information on what tau civilian infrastructure looks like. Would you be fighting in hive-like cities or suburbs or what?

In the absence of GW stuff, make your own lore! Who can tell you you're wrong if you do? And if GW come back later and say "well, actually, T'au civilian infrastructure is like X", and yours is like Y, that's fine too! Maybe your T'au civilians have a different style to the standard. Even the T'au now have room to expand outwards, and aren't quite as small and contained as we once had them.

Basically, do what you want for your own games and campaigns. Be imaginative, take as many cues and ideas from GW's own lore, but don't be afraid to ignore or make up stuff if that's what suits you best.

Guard also feature a decent amount, but that shou;dn't be a suprise, GW's going to focus on novels about a human protagionist. This is the norm for fantasy and sci-fi both.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
In the absence of GW stuff, make your own lore! Who can tell you you're wrong if you do? And if GW come back later and say "well, actually, T'au civilian infrastructure is like X", and yours is like Y, that's fine too! Maybe your T'au civilians have a different style to the standard. Even the T'au now have room to expand outwards, and aren't quite as small and contained as we once had them.

Basically, do what you want for your own games and campaigns. Be imaginative, take as many cues and ideas from GW's own lore, but don't be afraid to ignore or make up stuff if that's what suits you best.

It's a lot easier to have something pre-built for you. And even then, having stuff premade give you inspiration to be even more creative and in-depth than you otherwise would, it's the difference between what you can do with oldcron lore and newcron lore.

Voss wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The Indomitus Crusade rocking up could have been that. It doesn't really hype up Chaos if they do the equivalent of "mwahahahahaa we'll get you next time Blood Angels!".

Its actually slightly worse than that, as these daemons of Khorne basically rescued the blood angels by stomping on the hive fleet. And then... left. So they basically brought the fighting to a halt and stopped the blood flowing, which seems pretty at odds for daemons of Khorne. Its less 'we'll get you next time' and more 'Hey, buddy, looks like you need a hand. Peace out!'

Its also very confusing, since the daemons were on one of the moons and not any of the others and had no space presence, so its completely unclear why this stopped the hive fleet in any way at all, let alone how it stopped the 'nids who were literally coming over the fortress walls on a different planet when the narrative fades to black around Dante.

The Daemonic Legion arrived on one of the moons. They had intended to arrive on the planet itself, but Mephiston messed it up for them. The rift opening gave them the power to manifest, but it wasn’t what it should have been and they knew they would only last a few days at most before fading. Their original plan was to arrive on Baal itself and corrupt the Blood Angels and successors by giving them the power to fight Leviathan off.

Having missed the target, they contented themselves attacking the feral Tyranids who were suffering from the Synapse web being temporarily broken by the rift opening, so they were easy prey for the Daemons. They killed everything on the moon, and then had no means of getting off the moon and ran out of energy.

The Hive Fleet itself was a) battered by the rift opening, b) battered by the Blood Angels fleets, c) large chunks were sucked into the warp (and spat out elsewhere) and d) the Indomitus Crusade Fleet arrived and finished the survivors in space and on the ground. The rift caused massive time dilation. The majority of Devastation takes place as Cadia falls, but then the rift opens and puts the area in a time bubble so that when the rift passes after a couple of days 100+ years have passed elsewhere.

 Eipi10 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
In the absence of GW stuff, make your own lore! Who can tell you you're wrong if you do? And if GW come back later and say "well, actually, T'au civilian infrastructure is like X", and yours is like Y, that's fine too! Maybe your T'au civilians have a different style to the standard. Even the T'au now have room to expand outwards, and aren't quite as small and contained as we once had them.

Basically, do what you want for your own games and campaigns. Be imaginative, take as many cues and ideas from GW's own lore, but don't be afraid to ignore or make up stuff if that's what suits you best.

It's a lot easier to have something pre-built for you.

Oh, absolutely, but it's still totally possible to do what you feel is good for you!

And even then, having stuff premade give you inspiration to be even more creative and in-depth than you otherwise would, it's the difference between what you can do with oldcron lore and newcron lore.

It's actually quite good you mention the oldcron/newcron lore, because the newcron lore, for all it's issues people have with it, still allows for open doors and *more* personalisation than oldcrons, which is what I think you were saying!

Sure, we're actually given some degree of knowledge and characterisation, and for the people who didn't like that being part of their Necrons, they still have the option in lore of being a dynasty that has some kind of defection or personality trait that makes them behave just like oldcrons did. On the other hand, if you wanted your Necrons to have personality, that wasn't really an option with oldcrons, but with current lore, you can absolutely do that!

It's my favourite thing of the new T'au lore. You can afford to have a sub-Empire that does it's own thing, is less centralised, and maybe operates differently, instead of "the entire Empire is either localised in these few systems, or Farsight Enclaves".

I don't think the Hive Mind is out for "revenge", so much as it taking path dependancy. The Hive Mind has gone this far to try to destroy the Baal System, that it can't turn back and lose all of what it has put into this assault. You could also say that because they are already there, paired with the fact that Blood Angels have Primaris Space Marines, that they would try to assimilate their genetic/physiological make-up that it would spawn something much more horrible than Tyrant Guard, whose genetics is part Space Marine.

 Psionara wrote:
I don't think the Hive Mind is out for "revenge", so much as it taking path dependancy. The Hive Mind has gone this far to try to destroy the Baal System, that it can't turn back and lose all of what it has put into this assault. You could also say that because they are already there, paired with the fact that Blood Angels have Primaris Space Marines, that they would try to assimilate their genetic/physiological make-up that it would spawn something much more horrible than Tyrant Guard, whose genetics is part Space Marine.

No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Psionara wrote:
I don't think the Hive Mind is out for "revenge", so much as it taking path dependancy. The Hive Mind has gone this far to try to destroy the Baal System, that it can't turn back and lose all of what it has put into this assault. You could also say that because they are already there, paired with the fact that Blood Angels have Primaris Space Marines, that they would try to assimilate their genetic/physiological make-up that it would spawn something much more horrible than Tyrant Guard, whose genetics is part Space Marine.

No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

Oh, I see. Ok, my apologies. I haven't read the book, but was merely speculating on how an individual(s) work when expending effort/time/resources (i.e. path dependency). That though what you have said is very interesting. I might just have to pick up a copy even though I don't play Blood Angels or Tyranids.

Could also be as they seem to hunt Primarchs.
It’s happened several times through differing books where tyranids have attacked a primarch.

Considering that the body of Sanguinius is resting on Baal, they likely want to consume it.
Imagine what happens when they consume a primarch and start pumping out super charged nid species.

While the biomass is near non existent there, I’d say Sanguinius is their ultimate goal.
Attacking the scar was likely to try and confirm this by seeing how heavily they would defend it.
Although, it’s likely they would sense Sanguinius anyway due to his psychic imprint.

 cole1114 wrote:


No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

After replying to your post, I had a random thought: If the Hive Mind has the capacity for hate, then it may also have the potential for having fear. Hate is predicated on fear (i.e. 'If you don't belong to my group, you must be a threat and therefore are my enemy'), which is always subconscious (accidental/not on purpose), but may also be conscious (deliberate/on purpose). Which leads me to wonder if the Hive Mind is a single biological entity, rather than a culmination of synaptic webbing, or both? Hmm... food for thought...

Psionara wrote:I don't think the Hive Mind is out for "revenge", so much as it taking path dependancy. The Hive Mind has gone this far to try to destroy the Baal System, that it can't turn back and lose all of what it has put into this assault. You could also say that because they are already there, paired with the fact that Blood Angels have Primaris Space Marines, that they would try to assimilate their genetic/physiological make-up that it would spawn something much more horrible than Tyrant Guard, whose genetics is part Space Marine.

There are other ways to get Primaris Marines, they are all over the galaxy. And the BA didn't even have primaris marines during the devastation of Baal.

cole1114 wrote:No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

What page does it say that the Hive Mind is looking for revenge?

Jackal90 wrote:Could also be as they seem to hunt Primarchs.
It’s happened several times through differing books where tyranids have attacked a primarch.

Considering that the body of Sanguinius is resting on Baal, they likely want to consume it.
Imagine what happens when they consume a primarch and start pumping out super charged nid species.

While the biomass is near non existent there, I’d say Sanguinius is their ultimate goal.
Attacking the scar was likely to try and confirm this by seeing how heavily they would defend it.
Although, it’s likely they would sense Sanguinius anyway due to his psychic imprint.

Sangunius was one of the most psychically potent primarchs, with his visions and all that. That's probably how they found him.

 Eipi10 wrote:

cole1114 wrote:No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

What page does it say that the Hive Mind is looking for revenge?

It's in a bunch of different things. DoB mentions the hatred, as well as the recent blood angel novels/novellas like the Mephiston one (City of Light?).

 cole1114 wrote:

 Eipi10 wrote:

cole1114 wrote:No, the books are very specific in saying the hive mind is looking for revenge. They HATE the blood angels, they're essentially a warp god in and of themselves and completely sapient.

As for the book, the nids are winning overall. They get crushed in one of the battles (which is to be expected since it involved Dante, Mephiston, and basically all the other main BA characters) but the other two end in draws and the war as a whole is very one-sided in their favor. They've weaponized the shadow in the warp, using it to turn normal people insane to the point of murder/suicide/self-destruction in the case of skitarii. They've also figured out how to turn people psychic, and then drive them so insane they basically go from normal to warp rift in a few seconds flat.

On top of all that, the black ships can't reach nihilus so the blood angels have had to take charge of rounding up psykers. The librarius is putting them in refugee camps and trying to teach them how to control their powers, but they keep going nuts and having their powers feth everyone up. It also means the nids are free to use their own psykers freely since the librarius is busy.

What page does it say that the Hive Mind is looking for revenge?

It's in a bunch of different things. DoB mentions the hatred, as well as the recent blood angel novels/novellas like the Mephiston one (City of Light?).

That's just terrible. It goes against everything the hive mind has been portrayed as since 2nd ed (as far as I can remember), just to make some flavor of space marine more awesome. Not even space marines as a faction; no, a single subfaction of them is somehow important enough to gain the hatred of the otherwise emotionless force of nature that is the hive mind. Woe betide it should two or more chapters unite against it. I mean, it was bad enough with the swarmlord getting worf-ed, but the entire hive mind? It's stuff like this, this quantity over quality approach to writing, that makes me avoid most books.

kick an animal and it'll lash out against the person who kicked it, one might call that seeking revenge. sure the animal won't hunt you down and seek revenge but the Yranids hive mind is capable of advanced planning and thought this has been eistablshed for ages.

the idea the hive mind might after encountering a space marine chapter eneugh evelop a sense of "these people are a constant threat and must be dealt with" which could be seen as a sense of vengence, isn't a big stretch.

BrianDavion wrote:
kick an animal and it'll lash out against the person who kicked it, one might call that seeking revenge. sure the animal won't hunt you down and seek revenge but the Yranids hive mind is capable of advanced planning and thought this has been eistablshed for ages.

the idea the hive mind might after encountering a space marine chapter eneugh evelop a sense of "these people are a constant threat and must be dealt with" which could be seen as a sense of vengence, isn't a big stretch.

But doesn't make sense. 1. Why would it be Blood Angels specifically?
2. Why not things that have demonstrated more powerful weaponry like Eldar?
3. Almost everything in the galaxy represent a constant threat to Tyranids.

Because the blood angels have repeatedly appered in the hive fleets way, inflicting considerable damage. they're also easier to track I suspect then Eldar, (not that Eldar engage tyranids nearly as much I mean what do the eldar care if a human planet gets Nommed?) note this is refering specificly to hive fleet leviathan and proably just a partiuclar part of it, I doubt hive fleet behemoth cares much about them, just for example.

BrianDavion wrote:
Because the blood angels have repeatedly appered in the hive fleets way, inflicting considerable damage. they're also easier to track I suspect then Eldar, (not that Eldar engage tyranids nearly as much I mean what do the eldar care if a human planet gets Nommed?) note this is refering specificly to hive fleet leviathan and proably just a partiuclar part of it, I doubt hive fleet behemoth cares much about them, just for example.

They're all the same mind. Hive Fleet Leviathan hates the exact same things as Hive Fleet Billy.

Eldar have managed to literally hurt the Hive Mind itself, they prevented it from getting access to genetic material that would have let it devour the galaxy (that's in the Valedor novel), they exterminated a large amount of planets in the path of the Hive Fleets and they've repeatedly demonstrated technology and powers that allow them to kill whole groups of Hive ships far easier than Space Marines.

To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Highly likely.

The 8th edition nid codex has a paint scheme and fluff for an archaic hyve fleet, which has been present in the galaxy well before the first contact with nids at Tyran. Tyranids were already there during the great crusade.

Spoletta wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Highly likely.

The 8th edition nid codex has a paint scheme and fluff for an archaic hyve fleet, which has been present in the galaxy well before the first contact with nids at Tyran. Tyranids were already there during the great crusade.

Also Fenris and Catachan were infested with them before the Pharos blowing up lured them back in.

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Wat. Why is sangys soul being divided between people instead of behaving like every other soul in existence?

pm713 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Wat. Why is sangys soul being divided between people instead of behaving like every other soul in existence?

Because Baal is horrible! Turns out every race to ever live there has been "split" that way, between a golden angelic aspect and a dark berserk aspect. When Sanguinius landed there he was connected to those aspects, and after he died the Sanguinor got the angelic aspect (and that half of Sanguinius's soul). Mephiston received the dark half while undergoing the rubicon, which means he has a whole THREE souls now!

 cole1114 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Wat. Why is sangys soul being divided between people instead of behaving like every other soul in existence?

Because Baal is horrible! Turns out every race to ever live there has been "split" that way, between a golden angelic aspect and a dark berserk aspect. When Sanguinius landed there he was connected to those aspects, and after he died the Sanguinor got the angelic aspect (and that half of Sanguinius's soul). Mephiston received the dark half while undergoing the rubicon, which means he has a whole THREE souls now!

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or if that's actually what GW have made up...

pm713 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Wat. Why is sangys soul being divided between people instead of behaving like every other soul in existence?

Because Baal is horrible! Turns out every race to ever live there has been "split" that way, between a golden angelic aspect and a dark berserk aspect. When Sanguinius landed there he was connected to those aspects, and after he died the Sanguinor got the angelic aspect (and that half of Sanguinius's soul). Mephiston received the dark half while undergoing the rubicon, which means he has a whole THREE souls now!

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or if that's actually what GW have made up...

I am in no way joking. Also if Mephiston falls to the black rage, every blood angel will fall with him.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
To just say "the Hive Mind hates BA and wants revenge" is to oversimplify motivations and feelings that were stated in no unclear terms to be beyond human comprehension. It is more of an analogy, or a re-phrasing of the matter in a way humans can understand.

There was some short story or review somewhere which implied that there was more to it though, that the Hive Mind wants something from Baal and/or Blood Angles. Something we do not have information on as of yet.

Yeah, they're after something on Baal itself. It's been implied a couple times now that Sanguinius and the Silent King fought the nids during the great crusade, so probably something related to that. Now that Mephiston has half of sanguinius's soul and the sanguinor the other half, maybe the nids are being drawn back towards their old enemy?

Wat. Why is sangys soul being divided between people instead of behaving like every other soul in existence?

Because Baal is horrible! Turns out every race to ever live there has been "split" that way, between a golden angelic aspect and a dark berserk aspect. When Sanguinius landed there he was connected to those aspects, and after he died the Sanguinor got the angelic aspect (and that half of Sanguinius's soul). Mephiston received the dark half while undergoing the rubicon, which means he has a whole THREE souls now!

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or if that's actually what GW have made up...

I am in no way joking. Also if Mephiston falls to the black rage, every blood angel will fall with him.

This is why I think it's good GW don't write about some of my armies.

Hm, I like it.

So maybe this Pharos stuff is dumb af if tyranids were already present in the galaxy ? Way to go, GW...
The tyranids should "hate" the Ultramarines wayyyy more than the Blood Angels and should have made more attempts to get Guilliman than the failed Behemoth assault. That's why you don't change a character / faction motive after 30 years of writing: inconsistencies.