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rgdgaming wrote:
Not sure about Victrix, but we should have a close height to the Warlord and WGA models. They are 32mm, so I would think about the base you put them on if that last few mms makes the world of difference to you. The cool thing is that they should be of a good kitbashing opportunity. Amazons were puny with a true scale 28mm.

Excellent! But bear in mind Warlord Games and WGA are sold as 28mm which certainly confused me.

 Llamahead wrote:

rgdgaming wrote:
Not sure about Victrix, but we should have a close height to the Warlord and WGA models. They are 32mm, so I would think about the base you put them on if that last few mms makes the world of difference to you. The cool thing is that they should be of a good kitbashing opportunity. Amazons were puny with a true scale 28mm.

Excellent! But bear in mind Warlord Games and WGA are sold as 28mm which certainly confused me.

Depends on that, I noticed their hoplites for instance were much smaller via hail caesar, but their celt archers of a comparative nature (celts in plastic are smaller though).The base added made them look like dwarves in comparison, the archer a little brother. A nice flat surface would help majorly with that thought in mind.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rgdgaming/28mm-hard-plastic-satyrs-and-scythians/description


Kickstarter is live!

I like the Satyrs. It's not easy to find plastic beastmen without GW's evil Chaos flavor. I pledged 2 boxes that will form the basis for a Greek mythology-themed KoW Herd army. Is there also a chance you'll do Minotaurs?

I’m pledged. The satyrs are cool, but I’m much more excited for the Scythians and, hopefully, Amazons. The variety in the Scythian kit should make for some awesome conversion opportunities.

I still think Mr Thicc-Legs McSmoothGreco looks like the perfect basis for a Sci fi trooper right off the cover of dad’s old paperbacks.

Good luck with the kickstarter, the fauns and centaurs were really great models!

https://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/black_sea/overview.html

Regarding tunics. Some surviving relics were produced by Scythian craftsmen. Some were produced by Greek craftsmen, but show Scythian influence. So it is not impossible for Scythians to have adopted Greek elements, including tunics. As it is thirteen years since I saw that exhibition, I don't remember if any there were Scythian produced items with Greek influence.

Bit of trivia. The need to show off has long been part of the human psyche. The wealthiest Greeks living in (what they saw) as a primitive backwater imported products that were the "latest fashion" in Greece, especially from Athens. By the time they arrived, they might be a year or more out of date, but it was new to the local Greek community. So you can imagine a wealthy Greek couple hosting a party and flaunting the latest in Athenian red-figure pottery, with actual Greek wine in their just acquired krater. (Krater: for serving wine in a social setting, thus it is elaborately decorated. Amphorae for transport or storage may or may not be decorated.)

Re: Kickstarter. I'm following, but am more interested in the Amazons, and it's early days yet.

Did they have a gallery of photos? Flash player seems to be needed, we all know it became the object of virus shaming.


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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
https://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/black_sea/overview.html

Regarding tunics. Some surviving relics were produced by Scythian craftsmen. Some were produced by Greek craftsmen, but show Scythian influence. So it is not impossible for Scythians to have adopted Greek elements, including tunics. As it is thirteen years since I saw that exhibition, I don't remember if any there were Scythian produced items with Greek influence.

Bit of trivia. The need to show off has long been part of the human psyche. The wealthiest Greeks living in (what they saw) as a primitive backwater imported products that were the "latest fashion" in Greece, especially from Athens. By the time they arrived, they might be a year or more out of date, but it was new to the local Greek community. So you can imagine a wealthy Greek couple hosting a party and flaunting the latest in Athenian red-figure pottery, with actual Greek wine in their just acquired krater. (Krater: for serving wine in a social setting, thus it is elaborately decorated. Amphorae for transport or storage may or may not be decorated.)

Re: Kickstarter. I'm following, but am more interested in the Amazons, and it's early days yet.

Well I knew Tim Barry was into the amazons at one point due to his past work, the idea popped up again when we started getting into a love affair with Scythians, since no one does them in plastic. If at the least, I wanted to advertise the idea that we are interested in making them. We have assets for the cause, and the means to get them injected, alas funding is a cruel mistress!

rgdgaming wrote:
Did they have a gallery of photos? Flash player seems to be needed, we all know it became the object of virus shaming.

They did. There is an exhibition book. It's expensive now, but if your local library is functioning, perhaps they have it, or you could use inter-library loan. I own a copy; I'll look through it later, and if there's anything that seems useful, I'll post.

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Re: Kickstarter. I'm following, but am more interested in the Amazons, and it's early days yet.

rgdgaming wrote:
Well I knew Tim Barry was into the amazons at one point due to his past work, the idea popped up again when we started getting into a love affair with Scythians, since no one does them in plastic. If at the least, I wanted to advertise the idea that we are interested in making them. We have assets for the cause, and the means to get them injected, alas funding is a cruel mistress!

You've had one successful KS, so a second is not out of the question. If this one is successful, but does not get close enough, perhaps you can sound out prospects for an Amazon KS.

As for appearance. Like most people, my first introduction to the Amazons was through Greek mythology, so I picture them in Greek cuirasses etc. However, some evidence suggests the myths came from the Greeks encountering Scythians and their warrior women. So having the Amazons in Scythian attire could work. That being said, I think Grecian style Amazons will sell better.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

rgdgaming wrote:
Did they have a gallery of photos? Flash player seems to be needed, we all know it became the object of virus shaming.

They did. There is an exhibition book. It's expensive now, but if your local library is functioning, perhaps they have it, or you could use inter-library loan. I own a copy; I'll look through it later, and if there's anything that seems useful, I'll post.

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Re: Kickstarter. I'm following, but am more interested in the Amazons, and it's early days yet.

rgdgaming wrote:
Well I knew Tim Barry was into the amazons at one point due to his past work, the idea popped up again when we started getting into a love affair with Scythians, since no one does them in plastic. If at the least, I wanted to advertise the idea that we are interested in making them. We have assets for the cause, and the means to get them injected, alas funding is a cruel mistress!

You've had one successful KS, so a second is not out of the question. If this one is successful, but does not get close enough, perhaps you can sound out prospects for an Amazon KS.

As for appearance. Like most people, my first introduction to the Amazons was through Greek mythology, so I picture them in Greek cuirasses etc. However, some evidence suggests the myths came from the Greeks encountering Scythians and their warrior women. So having the Amazons in Scythian attire could work. That being said, I think Grecian style Amazons will sell better.

I mean, with the intermingling of tastes and armor, basically you can copy Greecian style and add tastes of the Scythian. Plenty of examples of it happening. Hence the elements of gold, metal scaling, if so intended. Now, if you want really early amazons, then you have the different dress standards to address.

 Esmer wrote:
I like the Satyrs. It's not easy to find plastic beastmen without GW's evil Chaos flavor. I pledged 2 boxes that will form the basis for a Greek mythology-themed KoW Herd army. Is there also a chance you'll do Minotaurs?

I did do minotaurs in our last kickstarter. If interested I can add them via the backerkit. We had a single Minotaur Brute, and then the Trio.

rgdgaming wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
I like the Satyrs. It's not easy to find plastic beastmen without GW's evil Chaos flavor. I pledged 2 boxes that will form the basis for a Greek mythology-themed KoW Herd army. Is there also a chance you'll do Minotaurs?

I did do minotaurs in our last kickstarter. If interested I can add them via the backerkit. We had a single Minotaur Brute, and then the Trio.

Personally I am very interested in the trio, because - unlike most minotaurs - they have (if I remember correctly) the human feet of the mythological Minotaur and therefore would fit my planned theme better.

I can't speak for others but I'd say that putting minotaurs in the backerkit is probably a good idea in any case, because virtually all tabletop games/armies featuring goatmen I can think of also feature minotaurs.

I think that's why some liked the minotaur brute, for others, it was hooves or bust.

I'm back for more too.

Enjoyed the fauns, even if I'm still a bit critical of the thinness of some of the parts.
They were something different and a new take on a type of model we hadn't seen in plastic before.

I've been on a bit of a historical binge too, so I'm curious to see how these mesh with other kits out there (including the fauns and centaurs).

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm back for more too.

Enjoyed the fauns, even if I'm still a bit critical of the thinness of some of the parts.
They were something different and a new take on a type of model we hadn't seen in plastic before.

I've been on a bit of a historical binge too, so I'm curious to see how these mesh with other kits out there (including the fauns and centaurs).

About as tall as the centaur, but with a bit more girth, comparable to other human models at 32mm. Fauns were a special case that demanded a balance. Even then, we were scrapping by the tolerance thresholds. It was something I couldnt do without Tim Barry, as the engineering involved a lot of back and forth to improve it.


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Tiers have just been altered, at 6k we will do a base sprue of the Satyrs and Scythians, to eliminate internal competition with one another.

Big win for the progression tier.

Amazons move to the 12k bracket, and horsemen to 18k

33% filled.

Some updates for Amazons

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rgdgaming/28mm-hard-plastic-satyrs-and-scythians/posts/3074689




People wanted a mix of capped and non-capped heads

The only image I found in my Greeks of the Black Sea book that is relevant is an Amazonmachy (a battle involving Amazons). Two Amazons were mounted and wore phrygian caps, a loose blouse, and trousers. They were armed with spear and hoplons (the round Greek shield). Fighting them were two naked hoplites. So a phrygian cap is a valid option since it was widely used in antiquity. I am also fine with the present headdress.

For helmets, while the phrygian helmet makes more sense, the classical Corinthian helmet with a tall crest is the most stylish.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The only image I found in my Greeks of the Black Sea book that is relevant is an Amazonmachy (a battle involving Amazons). Two Amazons were mounted and wore phrygian caps, a loose blouse, and trousers. They were armed with spear and hoplons (the round Greek shield). Fighting them were two naked hoplites. So a phrygian cap is a valid option since it was widely used in antiquity. I am also fine with the present headdress.

For helmets, while the phrygian helmet makes more sense, the classical Corinthian helmet with a tall crest is the most stylish.

....Tims on that . You'll see when it comes together.

As someone who's really enjoying his fauns (although a move meant that the neatly sorted parts ended up in different places, so for the rest of them I still have to find the heads) I'm very interested in this and naturally decided to back it.

 Dolnikan wrote:
As someone who's really enjoying his fauns (although a move meant that the neatly sorted parts ended up in different places, so for the rest of them I still have to find the heads) I'm very interested in this and naturally decided to back it.

Thank you! I see interest in the project is growing, I just wish I could connect to those on the fence (KS, why you no do dis?). Tim Barry is heading the sculpts, so, we could have a wonderful redux of Amazons in the late stage. Our hurdle is coming together for the 6K, if people break that, we increase visibility, and people can feel easier knowing loot would be unlocked.

Being one of those on the fence I have 4 mild issues.
Scale-How do they compare with other manufacturers not an issue with Satyrs but with Scythians & Amazons more so. A simple scale comparison is always important for me.
Mixed Pledge- I don't particularly want the Scythians and while it's meant to become an option in the pledge manager I'd rather be sure I can specify now.
Size of Pledge-You don't have a pledge for multiples of the same box. I can well imagine somebody wanting 5 of the same box....Most kickstarters offer a three & 5 box deal pledge which I'd have backed for on this one the progression pledge is a cool idea but I'd rather have more control over what I'm getting now.
Back loading-You've talked about making stuff available in the Backerkit however if I can't see what might be there I can't pledge for it until the pledge manager is open. Quite a few people are talking about using the Satyrs with the Fauns and Centaurs and making these visibly available and also for the multi box deals will help.
Honestly none of these have tipped me over into not backing I'm just in no hurry to back and I probably will after payday. These should all get you more pledges without forcing you to promise wild amounts of product. I hope this helps.

 Llamahead wrote:
Being one of those on the fence I have 4 mild issues.
Scale-How do they compare with other manufacturers not an issue with Satyrs but with Scythians & Amazons more so. A simple scale comparison is always important for me.
Mixed Pledge- I don't particularly want the Scythians and while it's meant to become an option in the pledge manager I'd rather be sure I can specify now.
Size of Pledge-You don't have a pledge for multiples of the same box. I can well imagine somebody wanting 5 of the same box....Most kickstarters offer a three & 5 box deal pledge which I'd have backed for on this one the progression pledge is a cool idea but I'd rather have more control over what I'm getting now.
Back loading-You've talked about making stuff available in the Backerkit however if I can't see what might be there I can't pledge for it until the pledge manager is open. Quite a few people are talking about using the Satyrs with the Fauns and Centaurs and making these visibly available and also for the multi box deals will help.
Honestly none of these have tipped me over into not backing I'm just in no hurry to back and I probably will after payday. These should all get you more pledges without forcing you to promise wild amounts of product. I hope this helps.

So the point of backerkit is to help me organize the pledges into neat bite size bits. The pledge that goes to backerkit later allows me to enter in questionnaires, for manual data entry. When you get your questionnaire
, you will be able to fill out the info you want, such as if you want all of one box or the other, or a mix (very neato!). I've also added single box options of Scythians and Satyrs in the rewards. Addressing Faun and Centaur boxes, that is an idea I can entertain.

The easiest way for more boxes is to to increase the pledge, or the "keep the options" open pledge. I would follow up in your questionnaire.

I don't know if its changed since last time, but I believe they waited thirty days to actually pull cards out by the time kickstarter ended. So we had a month delay before we started getting into molding.

Scale can be solved with some photos, Ill grab some tnt and relay them.

I appreciate your feedback!

Quick snap

Thats fine it's how they usually go but telling me whats going to be available in the backerkit allows me to put the money in now for the extra bits adding it to the total in the current programme and bringing the total up encouraging more people to pledge. All it would really take would be a priced up menu of the options and it would make me more likely to pledge if that makes sense.

I would like something similar too. Often you see KS being organized along Troop box, warband and full army levels, with an adequate number of boxes.

For example, I'd like to start a full army with something like, say, 2 boxes of Satyrs, 2 boxes of Fauns, 2 boxes of Centaurs and - if you decide to make them - 2 boxes of Minotaurs (or any other combination thereof).

Assuming (I may be wrong on this part) that all boxes will have the same prices, this would mean a pledge of some sort for 8 boxes, more or less.

I will see about adding some benefits like that. Took a few minutes to clean up the beginning intro to the page, and gave a summary pic for the two top tier pledges, eluding to the smaller ones and options along with it.

Progress!

Am I right in thinking that UK-based KS backers will get this without paying any extra customs fees or other taxes, since WGA have a UK hub? Or has Brexit messed with that somehow?

Yep, as we would pull inventory together around a point they restock. We would pay customs ahead, bypassing surprises at the door. Brexit might cause vat regardless, but not at the uber level direct imports did. Your flat rate per package and added costs I did not enjoy last go

You might want to put the direct link in the OP

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rgdgaming/28mm-hard-plastic-satyrs-and-scythians

Cool stuff, best of luck!