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Doomsday 2008 starring Rhona Mitra and Bob Hoskins. I love this movie, and I watched it again during COVID lockdown and it doesn't seem quite so silly any more.....


A cracking and thoroughly mental movie. Very inventive.

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Chappie, didn't get great ratings and flopped, but I love it.

Very good depiction of machine consciousness and learning, and also some deeper themes like the nature of consciousness / transhumanism.

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StraightSilver wrote:
Doomsday 2008 starring Rhona Mitra and Bob Hoskins. I love this movie, and I watched it again during COVID lockdown and it doesn't seem quite so silly any more.....


Did the same thing, lol. I love that movie as well .


 
   
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I was going to push back on Starship Troopers receiving such bad reviews, but a look over the old wikipedia page showed that neither critics nor audiences really enjoyed it at the time.

I saw it in the theaters, but I was in high school, so I think I just enjoyed the blend of action, humor, and casual nudity.

Looking back, it's interesting because it's clearly a satire of the book it's based on, which is just fantastic. As time went on, I think it got a lot of credit for satirizing jingoism and fear of the other (themes that unfortunately became far more common a few years after it was released). It also benefits from the NPH glow up. Where it get into murky, "was this a joke or was this just bad" territory is the acting of main characters. I've seen people try to argue that NPH and Michael Ironside were "in on the joke" while Van Dien and Denise Richards were not, leaving them to play this farce completely straight (like Dusty Bottoms in Dr. Strangelove). I don't buy it. Van Dien and Richards weren't being earnest, they were limited actors. The rest of the cast managers to vary from competent to actually pretty decent (shout out to Jake Busey), so claiming that the leads were bad actors as part of the gag seems like when a troll tries to say they were just "running a social experiment"

I'm also proud of Dakka for not flooding this thread with highly regarded but simply less mainstream movies.

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David Lynch's Dune is an amazing film. I love it, all of it, and every cut of it.

Flash Gordon and Highlander which both feature Queen sound tracks, even though I am not a huge Queen fan. I was so pumped when they used the Flash Gordon theme for a phone cam commercial in the last couple years.

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Speaking of Van Damme? I’ve got a massive soft spot for Time Cop.

Actually, I’ve got a massive soft spot for most SciFi action movies of that era. I’m particularly desperate to see Fortress and No Escape again.

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 Polonius wrote:
I was going to push back on Starship Troopers receiving such bad reviews, but a look over the old wikipedia page showed that neither critics nor audiences really enjoyed it at the time.


This always surprises me because it was a film I watched with my friends almost weekly for a while. I didn't realize that people didn't like it until I started hearing people trying to defend it online literally decades later.
   
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Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is a joy if you want a dumb popcorn action flick. The whole thing is bonkers, but in that cool b-movie sort of way.

Alien 3, Ressurection, and Covenant are just as good as the first two. To paraphrase a certain YouTube video on the series, it seems each movie covers a different kind of horror subgenre. While not always horror, each of the three movies take their own spin on the synopsis.

The Sweeney Todd movie is a good rendition. There have been a myriad of Sweeneys now, and each seems to help set a tone for the performance. If you check the performances of Lou Cariou and George Hearn, you get hammier and angrier performances. Johnny Depp doesn’t quite use the vocal range, but he does carry a more subdued tone to his singing that contrasts with the others in an interesting way. You can’t beat Angela Lansbury as Mrs. Lovett, but Helena Bonham Carter does a reasonably good job.

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The Nightmare Before Christmas! I've watched it every year since it came out. Everyone I've talked to thinks I'm a weirdo and it's a "creepy" movie.


If I recall correctly, that movie was kind of absorbed into the whole “emo outcast” phase of the 2000s/early 2010s. I wonder if that association brought it closer to being perceived as a “weird and creepy” movie. Agreed though, it’s a great film.

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Battle Los Angeles

This is one of the greatest satires ever made. It's the encapsulation of every film ever made to blow the American military before the public and anyone who isn't laughing at how stupid and dumb this movie, its characters, and everything about it is, has missed the only thing worthwhile about watching it.

The fact that the people making it didn't intend it to be a satire is irrelevant.Even hacks can make a masterpiece if they hate what they're doing enough to make an entire military porn flick that provides every reason we should hate military porn flicks.

I'd actually list the Red Dawn Remake, virtually everything made by Michael Bay, and Battleship as the same kind of movies. They're most enjoyable when you accept then as nothing more than ego trips showcasing all the things wrong with the military-entertainment complex.


I love the combat scenes in this movie, especially the first half of the movie. It sets the tone really well with the sense of unknown and claustrophobia in the house-house fighting. I find it's the end where it falls apart in the final set-piece. Until then, it has a real 'Black Hawk Down' vibe.

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A movie that everybody I know who has watched it loved it, but sports a 12% Rotten Tomatos score is the Kelsey Grammar submarine comedy Down Periscope.

If you approach Down Periscope as either a gag a minute comedy or a tense submarine movie, you'll probably be disappointed. If you approach it as a perfectly good submarine move about goofy, but not strictly cartoonish, group of rejects, it holds up. In a bizarre bit of foreshadowing, Kelsey Grammar plays an almost washed up submarine officer, denied promotion due to some personal and professional mishaps. He's given the role of captain in a wargame meant to see how well a rogue diesel submarine could perform against the nuclear navy. His crew, picked by an admiral so openly villainous he could be from Star Fleet, are the sorts of colorful but secretly talented characters that 90s movies loved. In practice, that basically meant giving a slate of talented dudes a job and a quirk, and letting them riff on it. If you like material that, even if not improved, seems like it is, you'll enjoy big chunks of this flick.

Outside of the protagonists, you have a murderers row of talent: rip Torn, Bruce Dern, and William H Macy.

One final note: my friends who have served on submarines LOVE this movie, as they always say that comedies match the day to day experience in most militaries more than action or war movies. So, take that with a grain of salt.

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It’s just fun. Sure the sequels get increasingly worse, but they’re still a decent laugh.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battleship is a supreme slice of nonsense.

But for all it’s abject nonsense and dodgy acting? You simply cannot whack The Old Boys having a great time in getting the USS Missouri ready for combat. And….when the Big Guns give it some dakka? Just….just *Chef’s Kiss


Every once in a while someone hits this perfect moment where the emotional investment is just right and something mind blistering dumb is so engaging that you're on your feet cheering regardless. Drifting the Battleship definitely ranks high on my list for those moments.

Another good one is the final race in Speed Racer.

Also I love how the aliens in Battleship explicitly only attack military complexes, avoid harming any civilians and only fire after being fired upon.


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Battle Los Angeles

This is one of the greatest satires ever made. It's the encapsulation of every film ever made to blow the American military before the public and anyone who isn't laughing at how stupid and dumb this movie, its characters, and everything about it is, has missed the only thing worthwhile about watching it.


It's basically a videogame movie, right down to a complete nonsense timed arena fight to revel the last boss's final form.

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A movie that everybody I know who has watched it loved it, but sports a 12% Rotten Tomatos score is the Kelsey Grammar submarine comedy Down Periscope.
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Saw that on a bus ride for a school trip... God... 25 years ago? 24? I thought it was great fun.

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The Nightmare Before Christmas! I've watched it every year since it came out. Everyone I've talked to thinks I'm a weirdo and it's a "creepy" movie.


This is a beloved classic. I just watched it last week. Make them watch Coraline next.
   
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Speaking of Van Damme? I’ve got a massive soft spot for Time Cop.

Actually, I’ve got a massive soft spot for most SciFi action movies of that era. I’m particularly desperate to see Fortress and No Escape again.


No Escape...... that was surprisingly good! I have based an RPG campaign on that one.


I also really, really, really love the Speed Racer movie. The cuts and transitions are so good. The plot makes almost no sense, but somehow the cast carry it off in a sincere yet cartoony way. Sooooo goooood. I think the reason it is not more popular is because it is too long.

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Terminator Salvation: I like it more than T2, which I know it sound heresy for many people But I've always wanted to see a Terminator which is entirely set into the future and that's the only movie in which the protagonist isn't Sarah or John. Honestly I love everything about Terminator Salvation.

Starship Troopers is a masterpiece! I love both the movie and the novel.


I wouldn't put it above T2 but Salvation and Sarah Connor Chronicles definitely showed that a future timeline story could work, and has a lot of potential.

Two novels with tie in plots were actually published with Salvation and while they're not high literature they're pretty decent.
   
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Well, veteran Dakkaites know I'd die on the hill called Man of Steel (although not what came after). But reviews were really more mixed, and I'm convinced it would fare a little better review-wise if released today.

So let's really go for it. How about Cabin Boy? That movie got eviscerated on release...but I found it pretty funny when I finally saw it years later. It was in the vein of Anchorman before Anchorman. It's even kinda quotable like Anchorman.

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I almost forgot, I would die on the hill for a little film called......

Circle of Iron

.... I was actually forced to watch this in school, and I love it now!


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 jaredb wrote:

I love the combat scenes in this movie, especially the first half of the movie. It sets the tone really well with the sense of unknown and claustrophobia in the house-house fighting. I find it's the end where it falls apart in the final set-piece. Until then, it has a real 'Black Hawk Down' vibe.


I suspect few, if any, people will ever share my opinion that Battle LA is so bad it's good but that seems like it's what the thread is for

Kind of funny to mention it (Battle LA) and Starship Troopers at the same time though. There's probably some parallels in what the movies are "films about grunts on the ground" and how they went about that POV and what it meant. I think back when Starship Troopers hit people were hoping for a more serious movie that more closely adapted the book. The Cold War was over but people were still in that mindset a bit in the mid-90s I think. Because of that, Starship Troopers came off as bizarre and 'wtf' with how much tongue it was jamming into its cheek. It's really only in the post-Bush era where I feel like the general audience, myself included, is really coming around to what the movie is and that it's actually a really good movie if you just take it for what it is.

In comparison, I feel like Battle LA is kind of the reverse. If you just take Battle LA for what it is, it's a god awful film. Nothing but old cliches and wtf scenes that barely make any sense in context and make even less out. I definitely agree that the start of the film is much better conceived. Honestly, everything up to their arrival at the police state/school (I forget what the building was) it was a pretty solid film in the vein of Blackhawk Down but with aliens. After that though, the movie nosedives hard like all the original ideas had been used up, no one really wanted to be there anymore, but they needed to fit the runtime so everyone from the actors to the writers to the directors just started phoning it in and the movie became atrocious, but atrocious in a way that I can laugh at.

I suspect there's not enough meme fodder in Battle LA to keep it going for 20 years to see if it ends up like Starship Troopers and people come around to different opinions on it unfortunately. Starship Troopers really survived because almost every scene contains at least one meme worthy gif and it came out at just the right time in the development of the internet to endure despite being a movie everyone hated at the time.

   
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Tank Girl definitely belongs on here. A massive flop for the studio, and something that everyone involved in the film clearly loved, it costs 25 million to make, and pulled in 5 million. If it were remade today, in the hands of one of the unhinged creative lunatics (like Taika Waititi or James Gunn) with minimal studio interference, it would be a stunning masterpiece.

As it is, it is one of those wonderful 90s films that tried so, so hard to be different, despite the studio wanting it so badly to be generic. The result is strange and weird, and tremendously entertaining. Some films can be saved purely by how much the actors and actresses enjoy them- and Lori Petty carries this one.

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Yeah Tank Girl is brilliant. Almost ahead of it’s time.


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AvP Requiem.

I love that movie, and rate it above the original. There’s just something about it.

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Oh, speaking of films that got a totally different reception years later; Contagion. I remember when the film came out when it was new but that's all I remember about it. I didn't go see it and I never heard anyone talking about it. It's actually not a bad movie. Not great, but not bad. It might be a purely situational thing, but watching the movie and compare/constrasting its events with real life is a surreal experience that I'm betting the people who made it never intended to happen.

A similar experience might be the film Outbreak from 1995 and the Ebola scare in the mid-2010s.

Movies + time = newfound entertainment/horror value

AvP Requiem.

I love that movie, and rate it above the original. There’s just something about it.


I've watched the movie more than the first AVP or Predators. I agree. The movie's nowhere near as bad as people think it is. Some of the best alien and predator action in either franchises. If this movie commits a grave sin, it's that the film is constantly too dark. Even in a dark room with contrast turned up, it's amazing how hard it can be to make things out (contrast hardly helps at all since everything is so damn dark turning it up just makes everything gray). There's a few scenes too that feel like they're needlessly gratuitous in a 'wow really you're gonna slap that on the screen guys' sort of way but I feel like most of this movies flaws are forgivable for a popcorn flick and it's the piss poor lighting that really brings it down.

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Requiem also does some patch work on the first AvP, by showing us what an experienced Predator can do, compared to the newbies in the first movie, who came across as embarrassingly crap.

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The message I took from AvP was that you shouldn't bother kicking the heroin and getting a doctorate in geology, because you'll just get killed by an alien under Antarctica. Should've stayed on the smack in Leith, Spud.


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For me, Ang Lee's Hulk was a better film than the sequel/reboot The Incredible Hulk. The latter just devolves into two green cartoons hitting each other, I thought Hulk did more interesting things with the character.

And I remember being a little disappointed in the 2012 Avengers film, because it relied fairly heavily on having seen Thor first - which I think is one of the weaker of the films that led up to Avengers - down there with Iron Man 2.

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Chappie, didn't get great ratings and flopped, but I love it.

Very good depiction of machine consciousness and learning, and also some deeper themes like the nature of consciousness / transhumanism.


And also one of the best drinking games in cinema if you're familiar with the work of Die Antwerd, who I can only describe persona-wise as a south african combination of Insane Clown Posse and Pit Bull.

The drinking game is "drink every time a plot element, prop or scene element is clearly in the film because it was demanded to be there by Ninja and Yolandi."

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Tankgirl was definitely ahead of its time. Lori Petty was the thinking man’s dream girl for a short time.

Dark City, brilliant.

Starship Troopers, also ahead of its time. I think that it plays better in this era than that, so obvious are the social parallels. Indeed, the same can be said of both of those above.

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My take away from this thread is that I really need to go see Dark City

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For my film i'm going to put out Annihilation.

In my eyes, that movie hit the perfect mark of "enough women in the movie for the gakky nerdbros that didnt actually watch it to decry it as feminist" and "too weird/horrific for the feminists to fully embrace it" and it flopped HARD.

but what you've actually got is one of the very best examples of a movie with more than one good, strong female character who have agency and drive the plot of the movie forward in any movie I've seen since. Granted, you are starting from a point of 'the whole film is an allegory for how different types of people choose to deal with cancer' so a lot of that agency is based around what choice you make as a person when you've got extremely good odds of losing control of your body and it killing you, but what you've got is a classic horror movie setup of 'introduce cast of characters, only one survives to the end' and to my memory, there is only one single person among that cast who dies without making the choice to do so.

To me, that's the real essence of what a "feminist female character" ought to be. She doesn't have to be an emotionless, fearless, omnicompetent ultrabadass - she can be, that works in the context of stuff like action movies and superhero movies where that's what the fantasy is supposed to be - but that doesnt make for any more of a realistic character portrayal than the traditional damsel in distress who can't do anything.

Annihilation does this absolutely perfectly. The characters are competent - in the fields where they're supposed to be competent. The protagonist is a competent soldier who's cool under fire and good in a fight. The scientist is a competent scientist, who is understandably far less competent when it comes to being attacked by terrifying mutated animals. And as the squad falls apart, we as an audience understand that they're falling apart not 'because they're wimminz' because we know that they're following in the tracks of a group of male soldiers who also fell apart in this situation.

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