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I’m not one to say never in that regard.

If Legions Imperialis is selling and turning its own profit? There seems reason to believe a 40K set version would also sell. Because fielding huuuuuuuuge armies with relatively simple rules (the bare mechanics of LI are really quite basic, which is to their credit).

And as I’ve speculated before? It’s arguably the best scale to explore historical conflicts, such as The War of the Beast, Iyanden, First and Second Wars for Armageddon. Those were conflicts of staggering scale - and 40K can’t properly cater to them.

Well, now that the net epic has been mentioned, I thought that I ask couple of questions. As I'm just starting Legions, I was wondering if I could use same models in that different system. I tried building some lists with battlescribe, but I'm not sure if lists can be played together and/or as allies.

So, here's what my lists look like
- sons of horus (Horus heresy)
- solar auxilia (Horus heresy)
- death korps of krieg
- death korps of krieg armoured company
- imperial knights of Herpetrax (Horus heresy)
- titan legions of Krytos (Horus heresy)
- dark mechanicum
- mechanicus (Horus heresy)

For example, would I be able to play heresy-era lists alongside death korps of krieg? And, if anyone has suggestions to what lists to use, any advice are appreciated.

Doc that is very true and I should never say never! I said the same about Squats coming back into 40k, and the hat was not very palatable at all I can tell you

Spreelock - prepare for lots of links! NetEpic (Epic Space Marine 2nd edition) doesn't lend itself terribly well to Horus Heresy in that no specific army lists have been created for the Legions and specialised units. You can do it, but you will have a lot of 'counts as' formations. I made a large Crusade-era force of World Eaters vs. Orks if you wanted to take a look. https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355088-world-eaters-of-the-great-crusade-here-comes-a-new-challenger/

There is another game, Imperius Dominatus, which was created by the guys that did NetEpic. It's based on NetEpic but with a lot of granularity to cover the various Heresy-era units. Interestingly its based on a D10 system, so you get stat differences between types of armour and things like that, which is an interesting idea. https://imperiusdominatus.org/

In terms of player community size, NetEpic Armageddon is probably the way to go and it does have dedicated Heresy-era lists that have been extensively playtested. If you see the Tabletop_Standard Youtube videos, SherryPie on this forum, those guys are using these rulesets.
Main rules: https://www.net-armageddon.org/rules.html
HeresyAU: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112013556/http://epicau.com/mw/index.php/Legion_Astartes

I think pretty much all of the armies you have posted there have one sort of Armageddon army list or another, and there are rules where you can include allies in your forces.

Finally, if that is not enough links for you, here is a guide which was done about all of the rules and community links for Epic (this was done pre-Legions)
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page

Ooh, thank you, I was totally clicking the wrong links before. I'll have to check out that imperius dominatus later, but I think i'll stick with legions imperialis for start. I've found amazing death korps stl for 3d printing, which i'll use as solar auxilia.

Yeah I'll be amazed if they ever move Legions (or epic scale in general) to the 40k era. But there is plenty out there for those willing to look beyond only what GW sells which will give you epic 40k options.

LI-wise, the implied extra titans classes (Rapier etc?) would be amazing to see and of course good for AT too. Otherwise, Fellblades and other SM superheavies are definitely top of the list for me, closely followed by whirlwinds and vindis.

A second infantry sprue would be good too. Though not sure about different armour marks. I'd like to see them in theory, but it'll be a bit annoying if different weapon fits or unit types (e.g. breachers, recon, etc) get locked with specific armour marks.

Not sure what the light armour slot for the Solar Auxilia could be, but would be nice to see something for that (if there is nothing currently, an update to the old FW Salamander concept would be neat).

I don't wish to complain about the astounding amount of plastic we've had for LI, but what I'd really also like to see is some FW resin releases - whether that be Primarchs or something else (but mostly Primarchs! Surely they are well suited to this scale of game?).

Ive been theorycrafting how alt armor kits could be done. Youd basically need 2 sprues per mark + 1 universal sprue.

The universal sprue would quite simply be an assortmemt of heavy/special/melee weapons and accessories designed to fit across all 6 marks (this implies the release of a new mk 6 kit), with the caveat that some of the detail might not be exactly right but at this scale it doesnt matter. Figure youd get 5 each of a given combi/special/heavy weapon - heavy weapons would be entire right arms lile the current missile launcher, while combi/special would be "midsections" as the weapons are largely held across the chest. melee weapons im less clear on might just be back to arms, dont need many of them as there arent many units that can take entire squads of a given melee weapon other than chainswords, so these are more for decor and i guess hypothetical veteran/command squads. Additionally would include extra weapons for rapiers, contemptors, javelins, land speeders, pintle mounts, etc.

Then your first mk specific sprue would contain:
10 tactical marines
10 assault marines (or 5 assault marines w shields, 5 without assuming it matters, otherwise irrelevant)
10 breacher marines (5 w bolters 5 w volkite assuming they are distinguishing between them mechanically, otherwise weapons are irrelevant)
10 Despoilers w/ cc weapons (5 w chainsword, 5 w heavy chainsword if they differentiate? Otherwise irrelevant)
5 Recon marines (use nemesis bolters or shotguns from universal sprue)
5 Seeker marines (use combi weapons, nemesis bolters, melee weapons from universal sprue)
5 Tactical Support bodies (for use w special weapons frpm universal sprue)
5 Heavy Support bodies (for use w heavy weapons from universal sprue)
5 Despoilers/Mortalis Destroyers w/ dual pistol
5 Assault Destroyers w dual pistol
5 veteran/command bodies (for use w combi/special/melee weapons from universal sprue)
5 Scouts (did these vary by mark? Otherwise separate kit?)

Might have room for a few more minis there, based on analysis of the current sprue w terminators/contemptors removed, etc i believe you can fit about 80-90 marines to a sprue but this seems safe to me.

Your second mk specifuc sprue would contain:
4 rapier operators
6 scimitar riders
6 spatha riders
2 land speeder crew teams
2 javelin crew teams
2 apothecaries on foot
2 apothecaries w jump packs
1 apothecary spatha riders
1 apothecary scimitar riders
2 tech marines on foot
2 tech marines w jump packs
1 tech marine spatha riders
1 apothecary scimitar riders
1 praetor on foot
1 praetor w jump pack
1 praetor spatha rider
1 praetor scimitar rider
1 centurion/delegatus on foot
1 centurion/delegatus w jump pack
1 centurion/delegatus spatha rider
1 centurion/delegatus scimitar rider
1 champion on foot
1 champion w jump pack
1 champion spatha rider
1 champion scimitar rider
1 librarian/esoterist on foot
1 librarian/esoterist w jump pack
1 librarian/esoterist spatha rider
1 librarian/esoterist scimitar rider
1 master of signal on foot
1 master of signal w jump pack
1 forge lord on foot
1 forge lord w jump pack
1 forge lord spatha rider
1 forge lord scimitar rider
1 primus medicae on foot
1 primus medicae w jump pack
1 primus medicae spatha rider
1 primus medicae scimitar rider
1 siegebreaker on foot
1 siegebreaker w jump pack
1 siegebreaker spatha rider
1 siegebreaker scimitar rider
1 chaplain on foot
1 chaplain w jump pack
1 chaplain spatha rider
1 chaplain scimitar rider
1 vigilator on foot
1 pathfinder on foot
1 mortifactor on foot
1 moritat on foot
1 moritat w jump pack
1 armistos on foot
1 herald on foot
1 herald w jump pack
1 herald spatha rider
1 herald scimitar rider
1 praevian on foot
Assorted veteran/command squad/sergeant bodies on foot, w jump pack, and spatha/scimitar rider bodies
Assorted vehicle commander/decurion bodies

Depending on how things like apothecaries/tech marines are handled it may necessitate the addition of an extra spatha rider for each to the sprue, as well as potentially an extra model each for foot/jump pack versions, but ive kinda assumed forge lords/praevians and primus medicaes would/could join them on a base to round it out so there might not be a need.

I imagine youd have a "mk x infantry" kit containing 2 of the first sprue + 1 universal, and a "mk x command" kit containing 2 of the second sprue + 1 universal sprue. This would let gw maximize the utility of their existing kits while selling nerds even more plastic. Youd then follow it with a set of similar sprues for terminators though youd probably be able to combine cataphractii, tartaros, amd maybe saturnine and indomnitus onto one set of sprues. May eventually need to release a separate contemptor kit i suppose but whatever.

Any changes we'll see tiny custodes, sisters, or primarchs?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Any changes we'll see tiny custodes, sisters, or primarchs?

I doubt we will see a new force until 2026 to be honest- I know they mentioned Custodes & SoS in the last big Legions streams as hopeful future releases, but I suspect next years specialist game slot will be taken up with something else and legions will be pushed to the side. They have a few gaps in the current ranges to fill next year out anyway.

Just a guess mind, maybe they will throw more releases at it in hopes and flood the game with more! I'd not complain if we got a new army every year.

I found out thT one of my friends is getting me the rules for Christmas. In only a few months I will have an inkling of what you guys are talking about.

Then I can figure out how to fill an army with bipedal stompy goodness.

Piousservant wrote:

Not sure what the light armour slot for the Solar Auxilia could be, but would be nice to see something for that (if there is nothing currently, an update to the old FW Salamander concept would be neat).

Carnodon ??

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I found out thT one of my friends is getting me the rules for Christmas. In only a few months I will have an inkling of what you guys are talking about.

Then I can figure out how to fill an army with bipedal stompy goodness.

If you are thinking of Mechanicum then you need to get the Rise of the Dark Mechanicum book too as thats where the rules for it can be found.

 ingtaer wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I found out thT one of my friends is getting me the rules for Christmas. In only a few months I will have an inkling of what you guys are talking about.

Then I can figure out how to fill an army with bipedal stompy goodness.

If you are thinking of Mechanicum then you need to get the Rise of the Dark Mechanicum book too as thats where the rules for it can be found.

I was thinking of Titans... are they in the RotDM book too?

The titan rules as in unit rules are in the main rulebook. RotDM has the 'rules' for playing with a pure Titan army for LI, but as it's basically a list of a bunch of AT maniples (without any special rules), so it's probably a hard sell just for that. No real reason for you to have the book to use the list building setup there IMO.

Devastation of Tallarn has the Titandeath rules (LI game with just Titans), which are probably more useful. Though AT really is the better option unless you're planning to put a shed load of titans on the table...

The powers that be are going to get me the books for both systems for the holidays...

The models... and all the fun put-to-gethery stuff I'll have to deal with.

After I spend six weeks trying to find a color scheme I like.... thats easy to paint.

My hope for early 2025 is that my friend Dave will finally figure out how to make a 1/2way decent force.

There IS moderate hope for this happening as he's finally making lists that are at least rules legal.
And tinkering with low end strategies & tactics!