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The_Blackadder wrote:Have you been away for the summer? I took a week off from modeling after finding the forward toe cylinders as presented on the original model are too short to function properly on an actual moveable construction. I got so P.O.'ed I lost interest in the whole thing for a while. I really should do some drawings of these toes. They are the hardest part of the whole model especially if you want them moveable. The dual cylinders at the base of the toes are particlarly hard to manufactureas they are about 4.5mm long and I still haven't figured a way to mount the knuckle end of the piston. I might have to forgo that bit of articulation.

EB

Feels like I've been gone for the summer. I'm usually reading all you're updates, I just feel that unless I can add something constructive, why bother commenting? All I would be doing is parroting the same thing over again "man great work, looks incredible!" So unless I can add something interesting I just let everybody else commend your work. I was starting to wonder why you hadn't updated in a while (hence my adding a comment to bump your thread). I can totally understand hitting a wall with a project and just walking away from it for a little while. I was considering offering my Titan to you to borrow for comparison, but I realized that is something you probably could have used a long time ago, things are pretty set now. But just like everybody else, I can't wait to see this thing painted up. Your fears about exacting proportions is fair, but in reality I don't think anybody will be able to tell this is a scratch, even FW owners.

I've been punching out some rivets, I was going to put them on some buildings, two questions.
1. What is the procedure you use to apply your rivets?
2. How you you make them uniform in distribution?

jabbakahut wrote:I've been punching out some rivets, I was going to put them on some buildings, two questions.
1. What is the procedure you use to apply your rivets?

I slice the rivets off with a new #11 exacto tip about 10 at a time on a wood cutting board not a self healing mat. I don't measure but extra thin rivets I discard and the thicker ones I install in easy to reach places for sanding later. I use a steel emory board to file the rivets, available in cosmetic stores. I've used the same one for many years and even glued a new wood handle on it when the original plastic handle broke. Apart from that they last forever.

I pick the rivets up with the tip of a new #11 exacto blade and put a dot of tamiya super thin cement (usually one to three at a time, any more and the glue dries too fast before you can place the rivets.)

2. How you you make them uniform in distribution?

Fortunately I have a rather good eye for spacing so unless I have a critical area where a slight discrepancy in spacing is readily apparent (or I have had too much to drink) I just apply the dots by eye and transfer the rivets on with the #11 blade. a second or two of pressure 'til the glue adheres and you move on to the next. I find that even with measuring (which would be prohibitable tedious for so many rivets) I constantly correct in placing the rivets because of micro variations in the pencil line thicknesses anyway so I don't bother to measure except in the above cited instances.

A little practice is all that is necessary.

Hope this helps,

EB

Labor day weekend has come and gone and I was sure I would have been finished with this project by now but I am still rebuilding and detailing. I did manage to amost finish the detailing on the toes yesterday. only the banners and the final rivet dressing to complete and I'll be ready to prime them. I thought I would share the images of the toes before I paint them but my poor camera isn't up to the task. Anyhow here is the latest stage of production.

EB

Your attention to detail is bordering on inasnity, but this all just serves to make your titan look even more impressive!

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Your attention to detail is bordering on insanity, but this all just serves to make your titan look even more impressive!

Wadaya mean "bordering"? I am truly certifiable.

Not one to do things by half,

Blackadder

The amount of detail you're putting into this is equally amazing, insane, and awesome. This is one of those projects that you'll be really proud of for a long time.

You? Titan KING.

Dare I say, I believe that your toes look better than the originals. I just think yours actually have sharper detail than the FW ones. I couldn't tell in the photo, did you put skulls and banners on them? No way you were able to put the aquilla on the piston joint right?

Terribly sorry captain, didn't mean to offend

Seriously though, what with the casting problems of the FW titans, your toes look bettter! (i should know, ive built and painted one!)

Oh dear, that sounded a bit boastful, wasn't meant to, sorry!

SargesSquad wrote:The amount of detail you're putting into this is equally amazing, insane, and awesome. This is one of those projects that you'll be really proud of for a long time.

You? Titan KING.

Titan King, I like the sound of that. Hopefully it will last longer than my first coronation.

jabbakahut wrote:Dare I say, I believe that your toes look better than the originals. I just think yours actually have sharper detail than the FW ones. I couldn't tell in the photo, did you put skulls and banners on them? No way you were able to put the aquilla on the piston joint right?

Banners are going on this evening but a source for the miriad of tiny skulls is a bit of a problem. My son is scouring his friends bitz boxes for enough.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Terribly sorry captain, didn't mean to offend

Seriously though, what with the casting problems of the FW titans, your toes look bettter! (i should know, ive built and painted one!)

Oh dear, that sounded a bit boastful, wasn't meant to, sorry!

No offense taken; I was only taking umbrage in a jocular vein.

Boast away, I covet a real Chaos Titan myself.

Some day sigh,

EB

jabbakahut wrote:............................No way you were able to put the aquilla on the piston joint right?

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The perplexed Blackadder


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Not yet.

E.B.

Maybe I need to shoot a photo for you, there is no way you could replicate an aquilla which is an 1/8" across, even the FW one isn't that sharp.

Here you can see that the feet are rather covered in little insignia details, maybe because if you were to stand next to a titan that is all you would really see? If you click on the pic and view it in the gallery you can zoom in (very far I might add).



Also, I've found my preferred method of making rivets is to use a tiny punch and varying thicknesses of plastic card stock depending on the need.

jabbakahut wrote:Maybe I need to shoot a photo for you, there is no way you could replicate an aquilla which is an 1/8" across, even the FW one isn't that sharp.

Baiting the Blackadder are ye Sir? Throwing down the gauntlet as it were. Now that I have seen the close up photos I think I can duplicate the rhomboid shaped blobs indicated by the arrow. :wink:

Also, I've found my preferred method of making rivets is to use a tiny punch and varying thicknesses of plastic card stock depending on the need.

Nice little punch you have there. It appears to yield a 1/16"=.0625" inch dia. rivet. Unfortunately the largest rivet I require is 1/25"=.040" and the smallest I can manage is 1/64"=0.021" although that is a great idea for punching out headlights and the other lights needed in clear styrene after I paint this sucker.

Thanks for the photos,

EB

Another point of interest is the length of the cylinder. Given that the barrel of the cylinder is so short, it is pretty much as I suspected that the toe would not have that range of motion for if that were a possible stance then the toe could not be posed flat as is the usual flat footed pose seen on most models. let alone curling around objects such as the Rhino pictured below.

The toe cylinder would have to be considerably longer and conversely the piston that much shorter.

Mind you I am not casting aspersions on your inspired model so much as pointing out a minor flaw in the FW design.

But I want to know, why would a titan be stepping on a Space Marine tank?

Looks great, yadda yadda.

A note on skulls: The Empire Flagellants kit comes with a mess of nicely scaled skulls on ropes and chains etc. You might be able to grab the bits off the warstore at a reasonable price. Likewise the Sisters of Battle Immolator sprue has many icons with nicely scaled skulls, though it gets a little salty to buy up for that purpose. A SoB player who isn't into super blinged out tanks probably has a number of spares though.

Also, Freebooter miniatures sells a blister pack of assorded skulls that have pretty good detail, but come in a variety of sizes and styles, so you might need more than one.

Again, great job. I really need to work on a better method of rivet production...

jabbakahut wrote:But I want to know, why would a titan be stepping on a Space Marine tank?

If you look close the toes are mottled and I assume, (not being fully conversant on Empire alliances) that it is a Chaos Titan,

or FW has hit a new low in quality control,

or whoops, Collateral damage a new dimension in friendly fire!!

Wehrkind wrote:Looks great, yadda yadda.

A note on skulls: The Empire Flagellants kit comes with a mess of nicely scaled skulls on ropes and chains etc. You might be able to grab the bits off the warstore at a reasonable price. Likewise the Sisters of Battle Immolator sprue has many icons with nicely scaled skulls, though it gets a little salty to buy up for that purpose. A SoB player who isn't into super blinged out tanks probably has a number of spares though.

Also, Freebooter miniatures sells a blister pack of assorded skulls that have pretty good detail, but come in a variety of sizes and styles, so you might need more than one.

Again, great job. I really need to work on a better method of rivet production...

Thanks for the information but I have decided to accept Jabba's challenge and am going to make the skulls and assorted accoutrements from scratch so the ultimate completion date has been set a bit back accordingly and you can blame Jabba Ka Hut.

Watch this space for further developments, :
E.B.

I smell some insanity cookin

Why not convert the rhino to chaos?

I just went through this whole thread. woah nice work titan king.

Shaman wrote:I just went through this whole thread. woah nice work titan king.

The title has officially stuck.

Shaman wrote:I just went through this whole thread. woah nice work titan king.

SargesSquad wrote:

Shaman wrote:I just went through this whole thread. woah nice work titan king.

The title has officially stuck.

To this I can only quote a remark made by American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman when he was being considered as a possible Republican candidate for the presidential election of 1884. He declined, saying, "I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.

"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." Lord Edmund Blackadder

There are those who may say I have compromised and not carried this out to the nth degree but in truth I am tired of making these toes and they're just going to have to suffice as they are. I have to move on to the arms and armor or this thing will never be finished so here are the toes as they stand (groan) and let no man say I didn't try.

E. Blackadder

Thanks to Jabba for pushing me to make the skulls, aquilla, and banners from scratch. They're all there Mr. Hutt

EB

The toes honestly look fantastic. It looks like you've poured your soul into this work... I think adding anything more to it might hinder the fact that you punched all of those rivets, which itself is amazing.

Anyone who's thinking that your work is sub-par should probably be taken out back and given a stern talking to.

Note to Jabba, I don't have a full picture of the tread on the center toe. Seeing as that you have three mighten it not be too much to ask if you would be so kind as to provide one when you get a chance.

Thanks,

Blackadder

Yep, you're definately crazy Personally I would have called quits on the toes looong ago. Excellent dedication!

Looks great sir!

And your request...



Anybody who is wondering why my titan has two middle toes-feel free to read my guide

WOW...all these toes are amazing.

Thanks Jabba I never would have guessed that was what the tread looks like.

Interesting you haven't corrected that toe error considering your modeling skills it should be a snap although on the other hand battle field conditions necessitate compromise when extreme conditions arise so it is conceivable that when faced with supply shortage and a damaged beyond repair phalange; substituting a middle digit for a side one may have proved a viable expedient.

I hasten to finish these toes before this becomes the foot fetish corner of the Dakka Forum.

EB




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The Dreadnote wrote:Yep, you're definately crazy Personally I would have called quits on the toes looong ago. Excellent dedication!

person person wrote:WOW...all these toes are amazing.

Crazy, a definite certainty. Thanks for the responses,

The well over the fine line Blackadder

It took a week to do these treads. and I accomplished four today so I guess I was just dragging my feet (groan).

Many thanks to my benefactor Jabba for the images of the bottom of the toes. Not that anyone will see all this work but at least I'll know it's there.

Blackadder

You astound me again. such attention to detail!!! Fantastic!!!! I've got to figure out how you do such detailed work with plasticard