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It seems to me that a lone Titan without ground support would be vulnerable to an evilly disposed individual wielding an ax then or cannot a person penetrate a void shield either?

A couple of chops and there go the ankle hydraulics.

Blackadder

what if all the "exposed wires etc." didn't do anything at all!

So the enemy wastes time thinking, "That looks important. BAM! Nothing happened. I'll shoot that other work bit. BAM! Nothing happened."

Or consider the difficulties and dangers of closing with a moving piece of heavy machinery. Remember that force is mass times acceleration, so even a slowly accelerating Titan toe is going to hit really hard if your timing is slightly off or your footing isn't sure.

The_Blackadder wrote:It seems to me that a lone Titan without ground support would be vulnerable to an evilly disposed individual wielding an ax then or cannot a person penetrate a void shield either?

A couple of chops and there go the ankle hydraulics.

Blackadder

I've not personally seen any evidence that points one way or the other. There's the single issue of the Titan graphic novel in my local library, but I don't recall if the voids were up during the boarding scene featured. Down, I think.

The Dreadnote wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:It seems to me that a lone Titan without ground support would be vulnerable to an evilly disposed individual wielding an ax then or cannot a person penetrate a void shield either?

A couple of chops and there go the ankle hydraulics.

Blackadder

I've not personally seen any evidence that points one way or the other. There's the single issue of the Titan graphic novel in my local library, but I don't recall if the voids were up during the boarding scene featured. Down, I think.

In Warhammer monthly issue 11 and 12 there were a Ravenwing story. They took out a stompa by going in under it, an throwing in some explosives. In order to get through the shields of the stompa they had to stop and let the shield pass over them, the brother who tried to drive through it met a hard barrier that crushed his bike...

Though not Void shields, the power shields of the Orks is comperable in function....

Azmo

Heavy machinery IS vulnerable to infantry, because infantry can carry devastating weapons and move very fast and are very small. Also, heavy machinery generally does see what is going on very well - look at the small vision slits etc. on tanks.

This is why the Armored Company rules (originally at least) had rules tanks could not come within a certain distance of cover without infantry support.

Unless a Titan has sensors which send huge amounts of information to the crew (and it can respond fast enough) or has auto-anti-infantry systems (such as auto-targetting bolters or autoguns firing at anything which scurries around its feet) it is going to need infantry support.

I always envisaged Titans were accompanied to battle by squads of heavy infantry, scurrying around the feet, sometimes hitching a lift on the feet, constantly communicating with the Titan crew. Perhaps a few sentinels. They would be highly trained to not get stepped on, of course.

Nurglitch wrote:Or consider the difficulties and dangers of closing with a moving piece of heavy machinery. Remember that force is mass times acceleration, so even a slowly accelerating Titan toe is going to hit really hard if your timing is slightly off or your footing isn't sure.

Most mechanized vehicles are vulnerable from the rear and that is where to approach them from. Granted the Warhound is capable of great speed but probably doesn't employ that capacity all the time as it would outrun its ground support. The Warhound doesn't seem to have any secondary weaponry. Other than the void shields what defenses does it have against determined ground personnel?

Tanks at least have a turret that can cover 360° with secondary machine gun fire.

Newton not withstanding,

Blackadder

Iam sure there ae hatches where the crew inside can open and lend some small arms fie support .

Great work I wish I had half the modeling talent and patients you had.

The_Blackadder wrote:(or for you backwards individuals that still use the metric system '4 liters into a 1 liter space'.)

Lol are you serious?

In other news absolutely FANTASTIC model. Perfect in every way. Have you decided what color scheme?

Trasvi wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:(or for you backwards individuals that still use the metric system '4 liters into a 1 liter space'.)

Lol are you serious?

No of course not still there are a few areas where the American Standard of measure archaic as it is is superior to the metric system such as linear measurments for model building for unless I am wrong there is no gradient less than a millimeter on the 'standard metric scale' and the 'AS scale' I use gives me measure units of 1/64 inch. (I also have one graded in 1/128 but I'm not a fanatic.) There are approximately 3mm to an 1/8 inch whereas there are 8/64ths to 1/8 inch. Unless there is a metric ruler that can split the millimeter into quarters I shall continue to use the AS scale.

Perhaps that is why my fine detail work may seem so "unbelievable" (If I may be so unabashed to quote the general run of these replies); You guys gotta get better rulers.

Blackadder

Of course there are gradients less than millimeters. Micrometers, Nanometers etc. Thats the whole point of metric The ruler I use for modelling goes down to 0.25mm, most rulers only do 1mm (but then again most imperial rulers only go to 1/32")
Perhaps extremely fine detail work with rulers is the one situation where imperial rulers can be better than metric, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the Metric system backwards. Although, maybe I'm biased, coming at this from a physics/engineering POV.

Anyway, look forward to seeing more updates Keep up the great work.

Trasvi wrote:Of course there are gradients less than millimeters. Micrometers, Nanometers etc. Thats the whole point of metric The ruler I use for modelling goes down to 0.25mm, most rulers only do 1mm (but then again most imperial rulers only go to 1/32")
Perhaps extremely fine detail work with rulers is the one situation where imperial rulers can be better than metric, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the Metric system backwards. Although, maybe I'm biased, coming at this from a physics/engineering POV.

Anyway, look forward to seeing more updates Keep up the great work.

I'm fully aware of the smaller divisions of the mm including 'pico', 'femto', 'atto' and ångström (non SI) units all the way down to 'yocto' (i.e. one septillionth of a meter).

I didn't call the metric system backwards except to make a joke earlier but to have a scale splitting a mm into quarters would be great. (incongruous as that seems to me as the "whole point" of the metric system is to have all units divisible by 10. The very fact that the concession is made reinforces the argument). Now if the meter could be broken into thirds it would be more convienient for say carpentry.

The incorrigible Blackadder

I haven't forgotten about this thread. I'm just going through the interminable process of rebuilding the toes and detailing them. Although they are a lot leaner than before they are much stronger and more to scale; especially the joints. The row of cylinders in front are the joint caps left to do in various stages of completion FYI. Twenty eight caps in all to do =280 rivets just for the caps alone. Whew!

Blackadder

Psh, like we wanne hear you complain. Rivet faster darn it!!
Epic build really!

Flachzange wrote:Psh, like we wanne hear you complain. Rivet faster darn it!!

Jawohl mein Fuhrer!

EB

Where is "Monasteria?"

That is a truly insane level of dedication to detail, and I salute you for it. This model is going to be absolutely fantastic when it is complete.

Do you have any idea how many hours you have spent on this model, or is such a calculus the key to the carefully-locked portal to an unending realm of madness consisting of a cathedral made entirely from the flayed skin of the damned and inhabited by the wailing of a trillion crystaline bees, where the light only casts shadows and does not illuminate?

I ask because I would suspect the original FW model took at least as long to sculpt, and such a figure might support the high profit margins (vs. raw material costs) of the FW stuff.

Darknight wrote:That is a truly insane level of dedication to detail, and I salute you for it. This model is going to be absolutely fantastic when it is complete.

Do you have any idea how many hours you have spent on this model,

It's really hard to estimate how much time as I made a lot of failed starts. Initially I started this model early in 2008 but my job interfered with doing anything but the hull and carapace. I put the whole thing on back burner while I started a new career and resolved 01/01/09 to make an effort to resume building. I piddled around for two months trying to figure out how to make the toes and joints moveable and really started in ernest 03/01/09. I work in spurts doing nothing for days on end and the putting in 6 to 8 hours at a stretch in the wee hours of the morning ( I get up at 3AM everyday and officially start work at 9AM.) I conservatively estimate I average an hour a day so 150 hours would probably be about right. Considering my payrate this thing is costing tens of thousands of dollars so I really am not ahead of the game not buying one outright but wheres the fun in that.

or is such a calculus the key to the carefully-locked portal to an unending realm of madness consisting of a cathedral made entirely from the flayed skin of the damned and inhabited by the wailing of a trillion crystaline bees, where the light only casts shadows and does not illuminate?

Not for anything would I interupt the mellifluous flow of the above statment.

I ask because I would suspect the original FW model took at least as long to sculpt, and such a figure might support the high profit margins (vs. raw material costs) of the FW stuff.

I rather think that the whole model wasn't sculpted but that the duplicate components where sculped and cast to save the tedium of repetition. It takes a psychotic level of masochism to make the same pieces over and over.

From one who knows,

THe Blackadder

I couldn't find any decent figures except for some old Catachans and my Lucius Baneblade Arethusa

The toes are just placed in front of the foot pad so I have to hold the model.

If you look real close at the # 3 toe there is my first hydraulic cylinder in place. Sorry no macro lens on this camera.





EB

WOW can't wait to see it finished.

I don't see armor plating on the thigh? Are you keeping those off with the shin armor for painting?

jabbakahut wrote:I don't see armor plating on the thigh? Are you keeping those off with the shin armor for painting?

My order of priorities:

Toes have to be finished first because they are the hardest, most tedious and the damned thing can't stand without them.

Armor has still to be fabricated but unless it can stand on it's own there is not much point in attaching the armor.

design a clip to attach the armor for easy removing. (maybe magnets)

Finish building the armament.

Add weights to the rear of the generator housings for stability and balance.

Paint the detail.

Install top of head armor and windows/windshield to cockpit.

Vow never to become engrossed in another project of this magnitude.

I've learned my lesson,

EB

You forgot the final step;

Break vow.

Looks fantastic. This is really coming together.

Can't wait to see it finished.

One (extra) final step:

Take thread and turn it into the biggest, most jaw-dropping tutorial on Dakka to date.

The literally hundreds of components in the toes alone not counting the mistakes, redos, and redesigns. I wouldn't recommend this project for those who frustrate easily.



Each toe is fully articulated and as close to the scle of the original as the material will allow.


The #2 toe components exploded view


A very grainy image of the #3 toe forward hydrualics


The #3 toe in flat position


The #3 toe flexed not much of a range of motion for all that work!

The reason the Blackadder is certifiable

Is there any chance that you will be publishing templates for your toes? Those are absolutely amazing. I want to get active again on my warhound, but I have been so busy. Every time I look at my modelling table, I see at least half a dozen unfinished projects beckoning.

Gavvin Quinn wrote:Is there any chance that you will be publishing templates for your toes? Those are absolutely amazing. I want to get active again on my warhound, but I have been so busy. Every time I look at my modelling table, I see at least half a dozen unfinished projects beckoning.

Sorry to say I have no templates for the toes or any other part of the vehicle. All I have are hundreds of images I have gleaned from various sources on the internet. There is also the problem of copyright infringements. FW and GW take a dim view of people publishing the measurements of their products and rightly so. Also, I have no way of knowing how accurate my components are as far as size. My greatest fear is after I complete this model and show it off at some games meet someone shows up with a real Warhound and mine is ridiculously small or ungainly large and all this work will be for nought. At that point I 'll waggle it's toes at them. I'd be happy to coach you on any part of the construction but I've already been cautioned elsewhere on producing templates. After all we don't want this forum shut down do we?

Blackadder

The_Blackadder wrote:...I've already been cautioned elsewhere on producing templates.

By GW officially, or just some forum mods?

Actually it was a forum policy because of complaints by GW for posted paper model templates. Have you been away for the summer? I took a week off from modeling after finding the forward toe cylinders as presented on the original model are too short to function properly on an actual moveable construction. I got so P.O.'ed I lost interest in the whole thing for a while. I really should do some drawings of these toes. They are the hardest part of the whole model especially if you want them moveable. The dual cylinders at the base of the toes are particlarly hard to manufactureas they are about 4.5mm long and I still haven't figured a way to mount the knuckle end of the piston. I might have to forgo that bit of articulation.

EB

Nice scratchbuilt you got there, I seriously can't wait to see it finished.