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Cadian Blood doesn't begin like that.

LOL. I'm pretty amused that it's still in there as a plot device. Thanks, Kanluwen - I always appreciate your insight into the BL novels.

I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.

Kanluwen wrote:GUYS! THERE'S A DEATH KORPS NOVEL COMING OUT!

http://www.blacklibrary.com/releases.php

Scroll down to December 2010.

Notice:
"Dead Men Walking". Click the image, and look above the magazine itself.
There's a piece of scrollwork saying "186th" and then below that, a Death Korps gas mask/stahlhelmet.

Awesome. This is gonna be a great year for Guard novels.

The author is gak though. And not the good kind of gak.


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Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.

I have to agree. It has a lot of cheesy moments, like Cadians never missing a shot and that rogue of a lieutenant with the motormouth, but it really did credit to regiment and made me forget the bad stuff like Desert Warriors and Death World.

Fingers crossed he's improved then.

Oddly, I've never heard of the guy who wrote "Redemption Corps". When I googled him, it's apparently his debut novel. Which kinda/sorta worries me.

Then I remember Cadian Blood was ADB's debut novel and Emperor's Mercy was Henry Zou's...and I get a little bit less worried

Gotta agree. Though both Aaron and Henry have delivered such excellent novels, especially Zou, I can't wait to read the next instalment of the Bastion Wars series. It's actually quite surprising that a newbie member to the Black Library ranks gets such an honour, to write his own series.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.

Er, OK... Takes all types though, right?

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.

Er, OK... Takes all types though, right?

By that I meant:
When reading something like a 40k novel compared to say "The Dresden Files" or "Lord of the Rings", "The Iliad", etc...you usually have to put a bit of your brain in the back and just go with it. Happens with Abnett, Thorpe, and almost all their authors. You sit back and enjoy the blowing up and the warporn.

"Cadian Blood" didn't feel that way. It kept my attention and kept me interested in reading it in one sitting. I think I've read the book five or six times now.

But yeah BrookM. It's pretty neat that Zou gets his Bastion Wars series. I just wish the 88th Cadian was getting a series. Looking forward to "Soul Hunters" though.

I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....

I've got a question for all of you, if asuuming you want to read the prospero/space wolves books at the same time (personally I'm waiting for both) which one will you read first?

Lord of battles wrote:I've got a question for all of you, if asuuming you want to read the prospero/space wolves books at the same time (personally I'm waiting for both) which one will you read first?

Here's the thing.

I'm a huge 1ksons sympathizer. I don't exactly hate SW, but the whole Emperor somehow judging that Russ beats Magnus in a debate, and Russ was so singleminded that he didn't even thing to question Horus, just pisses me off.

I'll read Thousand Sons first, then Prospero Burns. I know he'll find some way of redeeming the Space wolves to me.

Alpharius wrote:I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....

I absolutely agree. The quality is certainly getting better!
Horus Heresy already had its "orly" moments tho. I thought the abyss book was ... well quite frankly it was abysmal

Ben Counter is abysmal. Daemon World was okay and so was his short story Words of Blood, but his Grey Knights, Soul Babies and HH contributions were meh, especially Battle for the Boring Plot, which is the only HH book I haven't read as of yet due to boring boring boring.

Flachzange wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....

I absolutely agree. The quality is certainly getting better!
Horus Heresy already had its "orly" moments tho. I thought the abyss book was ... well quite frankly it was abysmal

That was the book I had in mind when I was typing...

Still can't beleive that one made it through 'editing' and 'quality co...'

nerver mind...

BrookM wrote:Ben Counter is abysmal. Daemon World was okay and so was his short story Words of Blood, but his Grey Knights, Soul Babies and HH contributions were meh, especially Battle for the Boring Plot, which is the only HH book I haven't read as of yet due to boring boring boring.

Sad but true. Galaxy in Flames was alright. The Grey Knights books are a bit so-and-so and Sould Drinkers, they bore me to death with their weirdo over-top adventures.

Alpharius wrote:Still can't beleive that one made it through 'editing' and 'quality co...'

I see what you did there

I'm actually really curious about the twist. It would have to be some small but incredibly significant detail that's never been mentioned before,

The really fun and totally unexpected twist would be to have one of the fallen primarchs change his mind about it and turn good-guys again.

To me there seemed to always be some king of attempt by GW to maintain a balance between bad and good primarchs, maybe the twist will be a means to correct that small skewed thing.

They've kind of done that times two with LEGION.

Still, we'll see where they go from here!

I'm worried that the 'big twist' in the next two Heresy books (A THOUSAND SONS and PROSPERO BURNS) is going to be the 'shocking revelation' that the Thousand Sons were loyal and forced into rebellion (Wait, we already knew that!) and that Space Wolves are really, really savage.

Wait...

$20 says the "big twist" is that Leman Russ attempted to bring Magnus in, peaceably, and Magnus complied. Alpha Legion troopers guised as Thousand Sons opened fire and began what led to Prospero being purged.

I...

...like that!

But I don't think that will be it.

Well, maybe.

Damn you!!!

Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.

Kanluwen wrote:$20 says the "big twist" is that Leman Russ attempted to bring Magnus in, peaceably, and Magnus complied. Alpha Legion troopers guised as Thousand Sons opened fire and began what led to Prospero being purged.

Actually, that sounds pretty awesome.

Just finished Cadian Blood and that really was an excellent read. Id highly recommend it.
Next up is Dark Creed

They've kind of done that times two with LEGION.

Well, not really.
All "Legion" did was tell that the alpha legion started out as good guys and went to chaos with good intentions.
They are still tainted chaos worshipers eventually.

BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.

QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..

reds8n wrote:

BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.

QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..

Spoiler:

especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?

Nice spoiler....so its not a pure 1k sons book?

No.

...

Black Library has a new logo!

Yeah, thats been around for a few weeks now. I think brook posted that on the previous page.


Finished Dark Creed and I liked it. I went into the book sure that the CSM would take a pounding (yet again). Obviously, some things happened at a point of time where youre like: Yah sure, obviously that has to happen just around this second. Oh well, I dont wanne spoil anything, but the end was pretty good.

Black Library wrote: Steve Parker announces first full length Deathwatch novel for early 2011.

Awesome. Except it won't be the first "full length Deathwatch novel"...those would be C.S. Goto.

In other news, GW is officially denying Goto's existence!

WOOHOO!

im not sure you guys know this yet but i tweeted blacklibrary about the 4th SMB novel and it's "something to do with kadillus" so im guessing its the purging of kadillus, also after a google search its being written by gav thorpe.

Kanluwen wrote:

Black Library wrote: Steve Parker announces first full length Deathwatch novel for early 2011.

Awesome. Except it won't be the first "full length Deathwatch novel"...those would be C.S. Goto.

In other news, GW is officially denying Goto's existence!

WOOHOO!

I see what YOU did there!

(Funny stuff!)