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ShumaGorath wrote: There's definitely a breadth to Japanese cinema, though realistically the vast majority of Japanese films are low budget with poor acting and writing. It's not a mature industry.
No, but it's larger than the average American believes(ie. more than just the aforementioned Godzilla, J-horror, and Sentai) and largely NOT dominated by the anime sector as American otaku would have you believe.
It's also only slightly younger than hollywood(at least according to all the books on it I bought whilst working at B&N when I went crazy over the subject).
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Platuan4th wrote:
How about all those Samurai historicals that come from Japan, or anything by Akira Kurasawa, or Godzilla, or a large part of the genre that is named(shockingly) J-horror?
And those are just the ones that make it to mass market America. Once you go online and see the stuff you can import, you'll see your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Yes, but my ignorance is incredibly intentional. Seeing as though J-Horror movies are obscenely stupid and I think samurai are overrated, there is no reason for me to watch those. Anything directed by M. Night Shamylan or closely resembling anything close to an M. Night Shamylan film is not worth my money or time.
BTW, there are reasons that only certain ones make it to mass market America.
Yes, but my ignorance is incredibly intentional. Seeing as though J-Horror movies are obscenely stupid and I think samurai are overrated, there is no reason for me to watch those.
The horror genre is obscenely stupid in general and samurai are awesome.
Anything directed by M. Night Shamylan or closely resembling anything close to an M. Night Shamylan film is not worth my money or time.
He's an American film maker. I think you're trollan but I can't really be sure here.
BTW, there are reasons that only certain ones make it to mass market America.
Hollywood has one hundred times the budget of it's japanese equivalent?
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halonachos wrote:
So I think that it would almost be safe to say that anime is just overcompensation for the inherent rascism in the country of Japan that would be apparant to the rest of the world if they made movies with an all japanese cast.
The enormous industry that is Japanese cinema proves this statement blatantly false.
If the Japanese need an non-Japanese cast member, they're not afraid to hire one.
Japanese Cinema, bah, never heard of it. If you mean FF XIV then that's CGI, not real people.
Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and argumentative.
How about all those Samurai historicals that come from Japan, or anything by Akira Kurasawa, or Godzilla, or a large part of the genre that is named(shockingly) J-horror?
And those are just the ones that make it to mass market America. Once you go online and see the stuff you can import, you'll see your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Sorry lets be real, none of that is mass market USA.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Yes, but my ignorance is incredibly intentional. Seeing as though J-Horror movies are obscenely stupid and I think samurai are overrated, there is no reason for me to watch those.
The Entire horror genre is obscenely stupid in general and samurai are awesome.
Pretty sure thats what you meant, but I added it in there for meself.
I am very unfamiliar with Jap films, only ones I have really seen are Godzilla. And those are mostly because my dad loves them.
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halonachos wrote:
So I think that it would almost be safe to say that anime is just overcompensation for the inherent rascism in the country of Japan that would be apparant to the rest of the world if they made movies with an all japanese cast.
The enormous industry that is Japanese cinema proves this statement blatantly false.
If the Japanese need an non-Japanese cast member, they're not afraid to hire one.
Japanese Cinema, bah, never heard of it. If you mean FF XIV then that's CGI, not real people.
Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and argumentative.
How about all those Samurai historicals that come from Japan, or anything by Akira Kurasawa, or Godzilla, or a large part of the genre that is named(shockingly) J-horror?
And those are just the ones that make it to mass market America. Once you go online and see the stuff you can import, you'll see your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Sorry lets be real, none of that is mass market USA.
Seven Samurai, Godzilla 2000, The Ring, and Ju-On/The Grudge disagree with you.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
halonachos wrote:
So I think that it would almost be safe to say that anime is just overcompensation for the inherent rascism in the country of Japan that would be apparant to the rest of the world if they made movies with an all japanese cast.
The enormous industry that is Japanese cinema proves this statement blatantly false.
If the Japanese need an non-Japanese cast member, they're not afraid to hire one.
Japanese Cinema, bah, never heard of it. If you mean FF XIV then that's CGI, not real people.
Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and argumentative.
How about all those Samurai historicals that come from Japan, or anything by Akira Kurasawa, or Godzilla, or a large part of the genre that is named(shockingly) J-horror?
And those are just the ones that make it to mass market America. Once you go online and see the stuff you can import, you'll see your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Sorry lets be real, none of that is mass market USA.
Seven Samurai, Godzilla 2000, The Ring, and Ju-On/The Grudge disagree with you.
Seven Samurai? Seriously? Kid that was made before you were born.
Godzilla 2000? DG did that even play in the US? I know PSAs that had more people see it. Come on pick a real movie.
The Ring-you mean the US version? yea that was a hit here. The US version. You have to rent the Japanes e version in the foreign section fo the video store.
The Grudge? Again, if these are examples of market penetration then your view of mass market penetration and mine are way way way way different.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Godzilla 2000? DG did that even play in the US? I know PSAs that had more people see it. Come on pick a real movie.
Fail, Frazzled.
Tristar Pictures released Godzilla 2000 in 2,111 North American theatres on August 18, 2000. It grossed $4,407,720 ($2,087 per screen) in its opening weekend, on its way to a $10,037,390 final gross.
Troll harder next time, please.
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Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
halonachos wrote:
So I think that it would almost be safe to say that anime is just overcompensation for the inherent rascism in the country of Japan that would be apparant to the rest of the world if they made movies with an all japanese cast.
The enormous industry that is Japanese cinema proves this statement blatantly false.
If the Japanese need an non-Japanese cast member, they're not afraid to hire one.
Japanese Cinema, bah, never heard of it. If you mean FF XIV then that's CGI, not real people.
Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and argumentative.
How about all those Samurai historicals that come from Japan, or anything by Akira Kurasawa, or Godzilla, or a large part of the genre that is named(shockingly) J-horror?
And those are just the ones that make it to mass market America. Once you go online and see the stuff you can import, you'll see your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Sorry lets be real, none of that is mass market USA.
Seven Samurai, Godzilla 2000, The Ring, and Ju-On/The Grudge disagree with you.
Movies from before I was born, monster movies that are dvd classics but mediocre in the box office and American remakes of Japanese films aren't what I would consider market penetration. Anime films are about the only things that manage to actually break into the cinema scene here from japan, even then it's a rarity.
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ShumaGorath wrote:American remakes of Japanese films aren't what I would consider market penetration.
Both Japanese version were also shown in American theaters in select cities.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Frazzled wrote:
Godzilla 2000? DG did that even play in the US? I know PSAs that had more people see it. Come on pick a real movie.
Fail, Frazzled.
Tristar Pictures released Godzilla 2000 in 2,111 North American theatres on August 18, 2000. It grossed $4,407,720 ($2,087 per screen) in its opening weekend, on its way to a $10,037,390 final gross.
Troll harder next time, please.
English version
Tristar, a division of Sony Pictures, picked up Godzilla 2000 for theatrical distribution in North America. It would be the first and only Japanese Godzilla movie since Godzilla 1985 to be released in North American theatres. Mike Schlesinger, who supervised the North American release, said, "It (Godzilla 2000) was such a spectacular success in Japan, we decided it was worth taking a shot, maybe the time was right for Godzilla to come back to theaters."[2] Sony spent approximately $1 million to re-edit and dub the movie, and an addition $10–12 million to market.[2]
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Tristar Pictures released Godzilla 2000 in 2,111 North American theatres on August 18, 2000. It grossed $4,407,720 ($2,087 per screen) in its opening weekend, on its way to a $10,037,390 final gross.[3] Future Millennium Godzilla films would be released direct-to-DVD in North America.
First godzilla movie in 15 years and not a financial success. That was also 10 years ago.
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Platuan4th wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:American remakes of Japanese films aren't what I would consider market penetration.
Both Japanese version were also shown in American theaters in select cities.
So are indie films, silent films, and classics. That's meaningless.
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BaronIveagh wrote:I might point out that, compared to the over all percentage of television and movies produced, anime has less gak per capita then, say, soap operas or 'reality TV'
I'd estimate it's gak content is about on par with live action sitcoms and action movies.
I mean, come on, I don't think any of us can say that Sly or AHnold have ever produced any deeply thought provoking films, but I think it's safe to say that a lot of them were over the top, nonsensical and cliche'd within an inch of their lives.
Point made.
I have to admit, I'm into the old Ahnold films, so perhaps it isn't fair of me to criticise anime for having the same features. I think perhaps my real objection to anime isn't really to do with the actual thing itself, but the more extreme fans, the kind that watch, say, Neon Genesis Evangelion and say it's really deep and philosophical. After all, nobody (except perhaps Ahnold himself) ever tried to label Commando as a deep examination of the human soul. I guess I just find that a little bit annoying.
Kind of like those people that claim 40K is a really deep game...
...my God. These people are in EVERY fanbase!
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No Shuma, I'm not trolling, I think that M.Night Shamylan should be buried alive. And The Ring or the Grudge, wtf!
Those movies were incredibly terrible. I mean a haunted videotape that killed everyone who watched it in seven business days or a kid that sounded like a cat are just plain slowed.
I would say that the resident evil series had better plot developement and story developers.
I also believe that Godzilla 2000 was an american film. If it was Japanese the director should be hung and shot repeatedly with crossbows set on fire.
Frazzled wrote:
Godzilla 2000? DG did that even play in the US? I know PSAs that had more people see it. Come on pick a real movie.
Fail, Frazzled.
Tristar Pictures released Godzilla 2000 in 2,111 North American theatres on August 18, 2000. It grossed $4,407,720 ($2,087 per screen) in its opening weekend, on its way to a $10,037,390 final gross.
Troll harder next time, please.
US$10MM?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thats why there haven't been anything since. US$10MM? Dude thats the coke and donut budget for a hollywood production.
Cloverfield's DVD sales alone were $29MM.
How to Train Your Dragon has made $210MM to date.
Even the horrific new nightmare on Elmstreet has made $60MM and it sucked balls.
I love these critics quotes for Godzilla 2000
24 Frames Per Second "...a gloriously bad movie." more...
Arrow in the Head "... a big waste of time." more...
E! Online (grade: C+) "...cheesy..." more...
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800552740/critic
Your reality and apparently everyone else's are only tangentially related when it comes to USA market penetration.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Your reality and apparently everyone else's are only tangentially related when it comes to USA market penetration.
Scuse me? Why don't you back that one up a bit.
To be clear, he has an incorrect view of what market penetration is in the USA of the films mentioned.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Dang economics, I'm going to just put my fingers in my ears until this economic thing passes. Let me know when you need to discuss chemistry or something.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
halonachos wrote: I also believe that Godzilla 2000 was an american film. If it was Japanese the director should be hung and shot repeatedly with crossbows set on fire.
If you meant the CGI Godzilla(based off of a mutated Iguana with Matthew Broderick), then that's the American film.
Godzilla 2000 was Japan's response to the American film.
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#Coming from the co owner of Animedreaming, zomganime, animegiven and formally leetanine and rogueanime lol. (You find me by furan or raven - hit me up if you see me)
Now I know that this thread changed direction. I just wanted to chime in about how much I like anime =]
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You know, me and a friend of mine are creating a Manga. It's a side project, so it's not anything fancy, but I have had this idea in my head (among with others, but this is my favorite) and I want to get it out there. Only problem is, we live in different states (Hers is Awesome and mine is Denial ).
And yes, It will be American drawn Manga, but hey, I asked another friend of mine for some artistic assistance, and she refered me to this other friend, and after seeing her work, I gotta say, if she didn't have a boyfriend I would kiss her for directing me to the Illustrator.
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Is this KeiKashi thing that is new on adult swim tonight any good? We are Tivo-ing it, and I'm curious if any of the rest of you have seen it?
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assembled but unpainted: 2 glade guard and the lord's bowman, 8 glade guard scouts, sexy elf lord
in the box: , 8 glade riders, , one female spellsinger, Orion, Ariel, the faerie queen. SOB immolator, 15 sisters.
Oh dear...can we get into Hentai if we are touching on Nazime?
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There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
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