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RatBot wrote:Overall, I liked it. I was wondering what they were going to do with Bane, since IIRC in the comics he's basically a Luchadore on super-ultra-steroids and not really the kind of "Big Picture" villain as in previous movies.

This is as completely incorrect as it is possible to be.

Manchu wrote:

RatBot wrote:Overall, I liked it. I was wondering what they were going to do with Bane, since IIRC in the comics he's basically a Luchadore on super-ultra-steroids and not really the kind of "Big Picture" villain as in previous movies.

This is as completely incorrect as it is possible to be.

Yeah, Bane is on the fething ball.. educate that man there Manchu, im off to bed.

Went to the movie (enjoyed a totally empty theater ). It was okay for me. I didn't like it as much as The Dark Knight, and I kind of called the ending about 20 minutes in (ironically the movie roughly followed the plot I thought it would, even with the ending reveal of you know what). My biggest problem was that I thought the film was really slow at times.

I thought the ending was a bit of a cop out personally, but overall I enjoyed the film.

Also: For me, I've felt like the Nolan films, while not realistic, were at least somewhat believable. Am I the only one who felt like this movie kind of jumped the shark a bit with its scenario?

mattyrm wrote:

Manchu wrote:

RatBot wrote:Overall, I liked it. I was wondering what they were going to do with Bane, since IIRC in the comics he's basically a Luchadore on super-ultra-steroids and not really the kind of "Big Picture" villain as in previous movies.

This is as completely incorrect as it is possible to be.

Yeah, Bane is on the fething ball.. educate that man there Manchu, im off to bed.

In my defense, I haven't read a comic book in something like fifteen years, and was never really fond of DC.

RatBot wrote:

Manchu wrote:

RatBot wrote:Overall, I liked it. I was wondering what they were going to do with Bane, since IIRC in the comics he's basically a Luchadore on super-ultra-steroids and not really the kind of "Big Picture" villain as in previous movies.

This is as completely incorrect as it is possible to be.

In my defense, I haven't read a comic book in something like fifteen years, and was never really fond of DC.

Bane first appeared in comics 19 years ago. The character spent months setting Batman up in fight after fight to emotionally exhaust him before even revealing himself to Batman. He was portrayed as a master criminal, a ruthlessly methodical genius with a penchant for psychological devastation. His physical brutality was merely the proverbial straw that broke the Batman's back.

In his defense Manchu, if you didn't read the comics and have only a passing familiarity or just watched the Batman cartoon this may not be readily apparent.

Yeah. Batman: The Animated Series, presented Bane as more of a brute.

Ah, that's cool. I think the only media I've seen Bane in are an episode or two of the cartoon (which, incidentally, I also haven't seen in something like 15 years) and DC Universe Online where none of his cunning and intelligence are portrayed adequately.

So then the portray in DKR is more accurate than I thought (and also makes him a much better character than I thought he was).

LordofHats wrote:Yeah. Batman: The Animated Series, presented Bane as more of a brute.

Uh, nope.

Frazzled wrote:In his defense Manchu, if you didn't read the comics and have only a passing familiarity or just watched the Batman cartoon this may not be readily apparent.

In Batman: The Animated Series, Bane was portrayed as an assassin of such reputation and skill that he could demand $5 million on a single contract. He was shown to have studied Batman extensively over the course of a long period of time and to have a bigger plan of taking over Gotham's criminal underworld through betrayal.

So that's not much of a defense.

He appeared in 2 episodes Machu, and for 1 he only showed up for like, 3 minutes :/ B:AS Bane has nothing on comic Bane in terms of brilliance (or even DKR Bane, who I think came across pretty well on the planning part of his schemes).

OK, I'm sorry I forgot how they portrayed a minor character (minor in the cartoon) in a show I haven't seen in... more than fifteen years and in a comic series I've never read. I just recall him being super-strong and yelling "BREAK YOU!!!".

Mea culpa.

Jesus fething Christ, Manchu.

LordofHats wrote:He appeared in 2 episodes Machu, and for 1 he only showed up for like, 3 minutes :/ B:AS Bane has nothing on comic Bane in terms of brilliance.

So you're saying that the suave, methodical killer with plans to rule Gotham through it's underworld was just a brute because he was only shown in a few episodes?

The only part of The Animated Series I didn't like was Bane....because they just presented him as a brute.

RatBot wrote:OK, I'm sorry I forgot how they portrayed a minor character (minor in the cartoon) in a show I haven't seen in... more than fifteen years (I just recall him being super strong and yelling "BREAK YOU"), and in a comic series I've never read.

Mea culpa.

Jesus fething Christ, Manchu.

It's always a good idea to talk less about what you know less about.

The one I saw just had him pushing the juice button and him getting bigger and angrier. I'll bow to your knowledge if we're talking the same the series. Its been a long time and I only watched a few of the cartoons becuase I was into cartoons even less then than now.

After all if it's not Pinkie and Brain then I can't remember it.

Manchu wrote:So you're saying that the suave, methodical killer with plans to rule Gotham through it's underworld was just a brute because he was only shown in a few episodes?

No. I'm saying that in the episode, he was presented as a more brutish character, and less of a mastermind. Being a capable assassin doesn't make one a criminal mastermind (of course, the makers of B:AS thought Bane was gimmicky, so that might have played into his presentation in the episode). Half the villains in AS had aspperations to take over the underworld.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The only part of The Animated Series I didn't like was Bane....because they just presented him as a brute.

Well back when I first watched the series I never read any comics so I didn't know the difference

Holy gak, dude, I said "IIRC", which means, "If I recall correctly", which indicates that my memory might be faulty on the topic, which clearly it was.

I'm sorry my misunderstanding of your favoritest villain of all time deeply offended you.

The one I saw just had him pushing the juice button and him getting bigger and angrier. I'll bow to your knowledge if we're talking the same the series. Its been a long time and I only watched a few of the cartoons becuase I was into cartoons even less then than now.

Yes, THIS is what I think of when I think of Bane. That's the only Bane I've ever seen and the only Bane I know. He just shoots up gakloads of Venom and breaks gak, not a whit of subtlety to the character. I had no reason to assume comic book Bane was any different since, while obviously PGified, TAS's portrayal of villains like the Penguin, the Joker, and the Riddler are at least somewhat accurate.

Manchu wrote:

RatBot wrote:OK, I'm sorry I forgot how they portrayed a minor character (minor in the cartoon) in a show I haven't seen in... more than fifteen years (I just recall him being super strong and yelling "BREAK YOU"), and in a comic series I've never read.

Mea culpa.

Jesus fething Christ, Manchu.

It's always a good idea to talk less about what you know less about.

Dude, you are getting ruder. Is it not possible that you prexisting comic knowledge of Bane coloured your view of Bane when you watched the cartoon? Because he hasn't read the comic he can't make a comment?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Is it not possible that you prexisting comic knowledge of Bane coloured your view of Bane when you watched the cartoon?

I was 10 when that episode aired. I had not yet read KnightFall.

Lets all calm down childrens shall we.

Frazzled wrote:Lets all calm down childrens shall we.

This is the internet. There is no calming down

RatBot wrote:TAS's portrayal of villains like the Penguin, the Joker, and the Riddler are at least somewhat accurate.

I think the portrayal of Bane was also accurate, given they had less than thirty minutes to introduce the character, have him set up a plan that very nearly defeats Batman, and show the resolution of Batman not actually being defeated at all. For the sake of time, the show focused on Bane being overconfident in his reliance on Venom such that Batman simply jams his controller and proceeds to clean his clock. But Bane is staggeringly arrogant in the comics, as well, so all in all I'd say TAS did a good job with him.

RatBot wrote:I'm sorry my misunderstanding of your favoritest villain of all time deeply offended you.

Oh I wasn't offended. I merely pointed out that you were as wrong as can possibly be.

Wasn't the B:AS incarnation of Joker so popular that the comic character underwent slight alterations to conform a bit more to the animated version?

I mean, I know Harley made the jump from B:AS to the main continuity but I thought changes were made to Joker as well.

Bane's claim to fame is breaking Batman's back. Obviously they weren't going to do this in a kid's cartoon so I don't blame them for not having that in there but then they just shouldn't have Bane in it. Some of Batman's villian's are too dark for a saturday morning cartoon version; Mr. Zsasz for example.

@LordofHats: If there was an influence, it's gone now.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Bane's claim to fame is breaking Batman's back. Obviously they weren't going to do this in a kid's cartoon so I don't blame them for not having that in there but then they just shouldn't have Bane in it. Some of Batman's villian's are too dark for a saturday morning cartoon version; Mr. Zsasz for example.

Yeah, Bane's name says it all: the point of this guy is that he figures out where you hurt, then he spends forever tenderizing that very spot without you even knowing it, then all at once he overwhelms you by kicking the gak out of you in that same spot. He's about that sense of dread and acceptance after the moment of sheer terror for your life passes. The moment of giving up. That's what the whole "breaking you" deal is about. It was never about phsyically beating Batman. It was about tearing him apart psychologically. Nolan's film tries to do have Bane do that but it's ... botched, I guess. Never feels personal. And then Nolan has Bane provide Batman with all of the psychological motive to get back in the game.

Speaking of animated DC, am I the only one disappointed Joker showed up in all of 1 episode of Young Justice?

For the record, this is literally my only memory of Bane, and I don't even remember Robin or that chick (I assume that's Talia al-Ghul), and I don't even remember that it took place on a ship:




Golly gee he sure seems like a fething super genius there!

That and his appearance in DCUO where he basically screams about Venom and attempts to beat the player over the head with support beams.


So I get that I'm wrong, I was even open with the very real possibility that I'm wrong, as I was basing my knowledge of a character off of a single episode of TAS that I haven't seen in something like a decade in a half, and you have to fly into a nerdrage over it.

Oh Ratbot, just get the DVD's They're actually worth the overpriced charges they get sold for

LordofHats wrote:Though, did the film ever make clear who the mastermind was? Clearly Bane was no slouch but how much of the plan was his and how much was Talia's?

I've thought a bit about this and my honest answer is that by the reveal scene nothing really matters anymore. I mean that seriously. The film has pretty much stopped caring about coherency at that point. It was shaky up to then. They tried to hide the stuff that didn't make sense. But when Talia stabs him, everything is out of the window. And the comic-reading audience is like "well duh but why?" But the film doesn't seem to be made for comic-reading audiences so no one bothers to give her a convincing answer. It's just "I really fething hate you, Bruce." Why is that, you might wonder -- of course, because he killed her father who she really fething hated. Wait that doesn't make any ---

No, no. Just move along. Isn't there a bomb about to go off? And to remind us of that, and ironically of Bane's or Talia's or whoever's ridiculous, nonsensical plan, Talia pushes the button to no effect. And just when you thought the irony couldn't get any thicker, Talia herself reacts to this by saying "feth, that doesn't even matter because it's gonna blow up anyway!" Yeah. Exactly. She might as well have said "this movie doesn't have to make any fething sense because I know you'll go to see it anyway!" And we're just like Bruce, stabbed in the back, going "Why? Why? Why?" So she leaves and we're there with Bane who is now revealed to be ... uh, a throwaway goon that the mistress just left to die ... wait, I thought he this massive threat? No, no. Just move along. Look -- it's Catowman! And she just fething shoots him so we can get back to that bomb thing that also doesn't make sense.

So basically, Talia stands for the movie finally being honest about how nothing that has happened so far makes any difference one way or the other.

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Bane's claim to fame is breaking Batman's back. Obviously they weren't going to do this in a kid's cartoon so I don't blame them for not having that in there but then they just shouldn't have Bane in it. Some of Batman's villian's are too dark for a saturday morning cartoon version; Mr. Zsasz for example.

Yeah, Bane's name says it all: the point of this guy is that he figures out where you hurt, then he spends forever tenderizing that very spot without you even knowing it, then all at once he overwhelms you by kicking the gak out of you in that same spot. He's about that sense of dread and acceptance after the moment of sheer terror for your life passes. The moment of giving up. That what the whole "breaking you" deal is about. It was never about phsyically beating Batman. It was about tearing him apart psychologically. Nolan's film tries to do have Bane do that but it's ... botched, I guess. Never feels personal. And then Nolan has Bane provide Batman with all of the psychological motive to get back in the game.