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monkeytroll wrote:For your sake I'm sorry we couldn't do anything to stop you in your wonderful madness.....for our sake I'm happy
Bell tower concept looks great....will it be a completely enclosed space, or will there be ropes/chains ging down to the lower floors?
Glad I can be of assistance MT Plan for the bell tower will be the Manufactorum windows forming the walls - a) because you can then see in un obstructed unlike the basilica windows and b) because I figure the vents on them kinda look like speakers, used to amplify the bells tolling for all to hear.. I think I'll 'glaze' the triangulate sections of the roof, with the actual bell suspended from the central square roof - tat way you'll be able to see into the space and see it, rather than it being suspended above the roof. Then I can mount the comm unit on top, again as some sort if transmission device for various purposes. We'll see how it evolves once I get all the necessary pieces in okay and see how they might fit....
Oh, yes, for got to say - the plan also is to have some sort of cable descending from the bell to the ground, probably via a hollowed out 'vent' COD floor/ceiling tile. That should be fun...!
Rhich wrote:Your doing a great job, I built one similar a few years back, I feel your pain..... however, seeing grown men getting excited to play on it is totally worth it in the end...
Indeed - saw your blog a few days ago and colour me impressed - if only I had the space for such a huge display board! Looking forward to seeing how it comes along Rhich - your building also looks pretty epic
inmygravenimage wrote:Mmm... cloisters! Really impressive level of lunacy. Are you using skaven stuff for the bell tower?
Yep IMGI, good old Skaven screaming bell (or whatever it's called) - I'm looking forward to shaving all the Skaven details off that, along with the ton of plastic I've now got to get rid of in te form if MORE bloody mould lines.. Sigh....
MagosBiff90 wrote:Unbelievable!! ..... just a mammoth amount of work going on here! not sure i have anything to add but admoration!
More like a whole herd of mammoths I think Magos....
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Right then, here we go.. First a pic of what I think will be the final layout for the cloisters and Chapter House (or rather Chapter mansion, the size of the thing!)
I need to decide whether I have the Mausoleum's inside the cloister or outside the back gate, as it were, but I'll decide that later once more actual construction is completed.
Moved to a second (handily spare ) board. Although I'm now severely running out of space in my new cave - can barely see the floor for boxes now, but needed to find room on the work desk to actually do some work! Speaking of which, my bell tower bell arrived today:
Before:
And after:
I'll find a skull to mount on the warpstone 'stump' at some point - goodness knows I should have a few to choose from!
Also started to flesh out the form of the bell tower itself:
The main issue with this is as I'm planning on using the standard COD floor:roof tiles, there are sizeable gaps between the walls even if additional girders are used - luckily, my favourite movement tray edges look like they will come to the rescue once again - mounted between it looks like they'll fit the gaps perfectly, give or take due to the vagaries of white tac as a fixing agent!! Mind you, I've not yet worked out what I'll be doing with the diagonal floor plates. Yet....
I'd say the mausoleums should be 'outside' to have a nice open quad there, but as you say, there's plenty of time for that decision yet. Perhaps a removable mausoleum piece that could be utilised in both positions?
I take it that's the Pratchett Wing you're currently working on? Was going to comment on the lone Baxter in there, and then realised that it's The Long Earth.....and three copies of Good Omens?
I have little doubt you will find a suitable skull to adorn the bell
I'd say the mausoleums should be 'outside' to have a nice open quad there, but as you say, there's plenty of time for that decision yet. Perhaps a removable mausoleum piece that could be utilised in both positions?
I take it that's the Pratchett Wing you're currently working on? Was going to comment on the lone Baxter in there, and then realised that it's The Long Earth.....and three copies of Good Omens?
I have little doubt you will find a suitable skull to adorn the bell
Time will tell on the graveyard MT - depending on space might well investigate your idea for a removable piece - may hap interchangeable with some additional craterage... Hmmm.... The possibilities....
As for the Pratchett wing - whatever gave you that idea?!
Spoiler:
What's that you say? Multiple copies of the same book you say? Damn you obsessive tendencies....
Without wanting to get too sidetracked (as per forum rules ) yes, optometris, yes they are. Well, one set of them. Got another kicking around in some boxes somewhere, waiting to find a good home...
of course, I now realise that the spoiler is somewhat redundant given the pic appears on the main Dakka page - lol - will try and do some more Catherdral shots this evening...
Just wanted to say you were one of my inspirations to start my own terrain project, a cathedral as well......but mine might become a bit more...corrupted
Thank you foto69man... I'm actually kind of humbled by that, to be honest especially when I'm in the company of Lord_Mortis and his fabulous board. Well, I shall look forward to seeing more of your work and progress on the cathedral
Speaking of which, while I was once again bored at work, was struck by another bout of insan... Ahem, inspiration.... So I might have said earlier that I'd hit on the final layout... Well, as per normal that didn't last long. So, here without further explanation (other than having learnt a lot from the build so far that I think I could pull this off, is the next stage of development:
(He he - spoilers! )
Spoiler:
Ignore the random wall selections for the time being, as I'll need to work out what to put where if I do this (who am I kidding, it's gonna happen ) - the biggest challenge will be sorting out the floor plates I reckon.... But this way I solve fiddly problem of joining a cloister end to the Eagle door opening, plus means I don't have to run an internal walkway inside the Chapter House, meaning that I can do more interesting things inside. Maybe.
So - although I know what you're going to say anyway - should I do it?
Interesting....certainly lot of potential with that build
I kind of feel that it's a bit sacreligious towards the eagle door as is though, I'm thinking the chapter house should be raised one storey, so the current base is level with the cloister roof?
I did consider that MT, but think I've decided agains raising the building for a couple of reasons:
A) practicality - raising it would involve 'underpinning' it - which either means a load more pieces or a block of polystyrene or something, but given that the lower 'skirt' is likely to be windowed wall pieces you'd be able to see what was down there and you know me by now - the interior needs to look just as good as the exterior... And then
B) I don't want the Chapter house to detract attention too much from the Cathedral - after all, that's the main focus of the project! Also, I kind of like the 'squat' feel of the building, as if it's hunkering down into the ground - sort of a cross between a Martello tower and the Bodleian library..
Have also decided to move the cemetery out of the cloister and to the back of the board - the garden of Morr walls will only need a small amount of work to fit the space nicely, which gives that side of the board an older feel, as if it was there first and the rest of the buildings have grown alongside it...
Can't be arsed with spoilers any more so one final revision pic (at least for today). I'm also less convinced now by the bell tower, but maybe that's just early day jitters.. Thoughts anyone?
Phutarf wrote: Without wanting to get too sidetracked (as per forum rules ) yes, optometris, yes they are. Well, one set of them. Got another kicking around in some boxes somewhere, waiting to find a good home...
of course, I now realise that the spoiler is somewhat redundant given the pic appears on the main Dakka page - lol - will try and do some more Catherdral shots this evening...
sorry ill keep on topic lol (i've got almost all the books in the discworld collection, one day ill get the unseen library set though)
This board would be so much fun to play kill teams on!!!!
I thought you would have already considered it, but thought it worth a mention anyway
I was thinking just wall sections as support, with the current floor f the house covering it entirely, so no access to it, but you could see the walls through the cloisters - wel aware you wouldn't stand for a block of styrene under there Good point about not wanting it to overshadow the cathedral though, makes perfect sense.
Having said that ( ), I think your issue with the bell tower might be one of height, maybe you're associating bell tower with the 'tower' part and expect it to look a little higher? Try tacking the bell in place inside it to see how that scales to your eye.
Funny isn't it MT - I say one thing and then not 24 hours later decide to do the exact opposite. Having worked out some logistics, I probably now WILL raise the central section of the chapter house - another (sigh) Imperial Sector and some floor tiles purchased off eBay and I'll just about have all the bits I need. Having put the two boards back together, I don't think even this will detract from the actual Cathedral.
As for the bell tower - was having a play with some other ideas this evening, but not yet 100% convinced with thing yet - I'll procrastinate some more before sharing what I come up with....
Really impressed with the clean up job on that bell, Phutarf. I leave for a few days and your cathedral starts growing extra wings. Craziness. keep it up.
Perhaps the problem with the bell tower is that the bell holder (if that's what it's called) looks kind of lost because its sitting on top of a larger tower section. If it was raised higher it might look better.
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Warboss_Waaazag wrote:Really impressed with the clean up job on that bell, Phutarf. I leave for a few days and your cathedral starts growing extra wings. Craziness. keep it up.
Meh. Nothing more than an hour or so with hobby knife and files to take care of the bell WW - no dremel here, all done lovingly by hand. Although...
cheiflibrarian wrote:Perhaps the problem with the bell tower is that the bell holder (if that's what it's called) looks kind of lost because its sitting on top of a larger tower section. If it was raised higher it might look better.
You know I'm definitely having second thoughts about the bell tower. It was a great idea in my head but in practice and in situ I'm just not happy with it... I've got another idea in mind that I'll try out before coming to a decision (HA!!) - after all, having bought and spent the time on the bell I'm going to bloody well use the damn thing
Apologies to all those in the UK for my somewhat late night postings of late, but I'm working on this late into the evenings - should keep my American followers happy though Anyway, having taken on board Monkeytrolls thoughts, purchased yet another imperial sector this afternoon to give me enough parts to round out the build, including enough wall sections to underpin the central Chapter House building to raise it up. Just to underline my OCDish tendencies, here's the planning document:
However, just because you can figure it out on paper, doesn't mean reality will actually work. I was planning on using the Manufactorum walls to do the underpinning, thinking that this was some sort of secret power house for the building or something. Anyway, as it turns out, you pretty much can't see any of the walls used through the Sanctum 'skirt':
so it'll be a complete waste to use them like that. As such, I'll be investing in some more thick plasticard and constructing my own wall sections, minimal detailing but enough that if you look closely they won't look out of place, and then use the Manufactorum parts on another new building - although not one part of this project!
That aside, pretty happy with the new dry fix of the Chapter House is coming along (although am running out of white tac like crazy!). The general shape and dimensions seem to be working - the proof will be in the actual construction - but for now I'm liking the raised central section. I think I'm probably going to leave it now as a flat roof, given my misgivings about the bell tower - this keeps the overall height the same as before (minus comms relay) so complements rather than detracts from the cathedral:
Mind you I'm now getting a 'mountain from Close Encounters of the Third Kind' vibe from it... Plus it's actually a pretty big building...
Definitely going to use the Eagle wall supports around the base on this bit though, as having looked at a number of Chapter Houses online they seem to favour chunky supports like this to buttresses - those will stay on the Cathedral and inner cloister wall - but helps give the Chapter House a distinctive feel.
Right, getting late (or early depending on how you look a it) - more at some point...
I did have to do a double take at your post tryanotherone cos I was thinking 'what have I done to upset anyone?'. And then read the rest and realised you were joking. I hope (NB - mods - don't you dare lock and or delete this blog!!!)
It will - eventually - be painted, but not part of a table as such, as I don't game - just doing this for "fun".....
And fear not, Construction (of a sort) has commenced Brother Payne
So, I was contemplating overnight (rather than sleeping like most sane people do) just what to do with the supporting walls under the Chapter House. As I'm essentially a lazy bugger, I didn't really want to go all the way to my nearest craft shop just to get some more thick plasticard, and then inspiration hit me....
Mortuary freezers.
As you do. Bear with me.
You know, these jobbies:
Now I've always like dreadnoughts, I own a lot of them (and might assemble and paint them one day, but I digress...) but always figured that given the rate of casualties Space Marines accrue, surely there must be a supply and demand pressure on the availability of dreadnoughts. Therefore, what to do with all those injured marines that need entombing in one? Well, now I know - they get stored in special stasis chambers, under Chapter Houses!
Still with me? Good. Now, my favourite colour is green. (Bit of a segue there, but go with it). And if you've ever been to Regents Park underground station, or a really well preserved Victorian public loo, you might have seen tiles a bit like this:
Great aren't they? Well, I think so. So what's that got to do with mortuary freezers or Chapter Houses I hear you thinking? Keep with me...
Now as a result of having loads of COD kits, I've got lots of spare floor/roof tiles hanging about. And as I've already used some on the sloping parts of the Cathedral roof, I know that two put together are a similar size to the height of a wall section. And I've got loads of the hatch ones (which previously I hated and could never find a use for). See where I'm going with all the above now? No? Well, here's where:
Spoiler:
Ta da! After some rigorous cutting down and gluing, meet my new Chapter House wall supports and 40k-ified Stasis Chambers, which, in the fullness of time, will be painted a lovely green
As you can see, the completed piece on the left is almost the same size as a standard couple of wall pieces/one Shrine Window in width - it's a smidgen taller, even after cutting down but I'm not too worried about that. The bits on the right (under an unsullied tile) show how I've had to cut down the 4 to get them into the right configuration, along with a girder that was previously cut off a wall piece - always recycle children!)
So, that's what I've been up to this morning - need to glue the second one together now, complete a third one, and then work out what to do with the ones that will go under the two large eagle pieces, as it's a slightly different build I'll need to do on those.
Sorry for the long post but I figure those of you still looking in might find some of this useful inspiration. The tiles reversed also would work well as oven doors btw,!
2014/06/14 13:44:35
Subject: Re:Terrain project: Imperial Cathedral - 14/06/14 - brrr... Is it cold in here??
Pity it's not epic as in epic scale GiraffeX - would be a lot quicker lol.
Minis-wise, I'm leaning towards a 30K heresy army (simply CID I love Forgeworlds stuff more than the standard GW marines - time will tell. Although I love my personal colour scheme, the more Death Guard stuff FW produce, the more I'm thinking of doing them - I recon Mortarion on top of the Chapter House would look rather nifty!
Which is also better than what my cave looks like at the moment:
Plastic shards and dust everywhere, transplanted to my makeshift alternative work area due to both boards being on my actual desk...
Have had to stop now as after a days worth of sawing and filing, my hand started to go numb. But pretty pleaded with the fruits of my labours:
Spoiler:
There will be at least 20 drawers once all sides are complete - only another (or 6) to go...
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2014/06/15 06:48:56
Subject: Re:Terrain project: Imperial Cathedral - 14/06/14 - brrr... Is it cold in here??
YourIntestines wrote:Absolutely amazing work. I wonder if you could make one for fantasy...
Actually YourIntestines (love the handle btw! ) the cathedral itself, if you don't look too closely at some of the 40k detailing could easily be passed off as WFB - guess that's the joy of having Gothic style architectural cues.
hk1x1 wrote:Last time I checked in on this you were just building the cathedral,
now it looks like you've started constructing your own city .
Amazing work, cant wait to see what comes next.
Lol thanks - what came next, as I'm impatient, is a smidgen more test paint:
If you want to know what this is and you've not opened the spoilers in my last couple of posts - WHY NOT??!! - Lol - otherwise, feedback please. Both sides of the tiles have been painted in exactly the same way, just the left with a white recess, the right with black. But which is better? There's only one way to find out - FIG.... *ahem* (don't worry - all non UK followers, you won't understand that last bit.. )
But seriously, which do you prefer? I know which I prefer to paint.... But I also know which I prefer the look of. Sigh.
(NB - this is purely a test piece - the actual finish on the real pieces will be a lot better!)
..... just a mammoth amount of work going on here! not sure i have anything to add but admoration! 
10000+pts
2000pts
No pity! No remorse! No fear 
) yes, optometris, yes they are. Well, one set of them. Got another kicking around in some boxes somewhere, waiting to find a good home...
especially when I'm in the company of Lord_Mortis and his fabulous board. Well, I shall look forward to seeing more of your work and progress on the cathedral 
)
) - the biggest challenge will be sorting out the floor plates I reckon.... But this way I solve fiddly problem of joining a cloister end to the Eagle door opening, plus means I don't have to run an internal walkway inside the Chapter House, meaning that I can do more interesting things inside. Maybe.
