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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we have actual, 100% confirmation of those rules or is it still at that stage of "Soandso saw it, here's what he saw"?

Nah, that's the whole thing, I pointed out a few pages ago that this is just based off "A store manager somewhere got his stuff early and did this", everyone's taken it as official and gone on long diatribes about how they hate superheavies in 40k, fortifications in 40k, wave serpents(!) etc. It's silly, is what it is.

Bull0 - past behaviour is often the best predictor of future actions, there is no attack, merely an observation and a polite request.

Still, we seem to have moved past it, so let's say no more.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm convinced the 60" multi-shot Serpent Field was a mistake that made it through to the printers.

If only they errata'd it to be a much more sane 24" or 30"

No I mean I think it was a mistake - I think they meant to put 6" on there. That makes far more sense to me.

 azreal13 wrote:
Bull0 - past behaviour is often the best predictor of future actions, there is no attack, merely an observation and a polite request.

Still, we seem to have moved past it, so let's say no more.

Alrighty, I'll edit my post down and say no more on the matter.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm convinced the 60" multi-shot Serpent Field was a mistake that made it through to the printers.

If only they errata'd it to be a much more sane 24" or 30"

No I mean I think it was a mistake - I think they meant to put 6" on there. That makes far more sense to me.

Would definitely jive with it's role as a transport if it had a very short ranged, but effective, ignores cover weapon.

It sounds too bad to be true, but given GW's apparent compulsion to appear infallible, it might just make sense.

Ah...can we at least try and stay on topic in here, please?

thanks!

 Sirius42 wrote:
It's been categorically stated a few times in various fluff pieces.

Well they were described as small scale Titans in Titan Legions which is where the majority of Knight Household fluff comes from. They certainly look like a titan and given their multiple weapon systems they almost certainly have an MIU.

GW seem reluctant to make game changing decisions in the FAQ and reducing the wave serpent range would be gaming changing. Guessing but I suspect they would not change rules that would affect high sales of something and/or not everybody bothers with FAQs so they would be worried you'd have a bunch of people arguing over if FAQs are valid.

I wonder, will the White Dwarf also feature fluff or just the rules and eye candy?

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder, will the White Dwarf also feature fluff or just the rules and eye candy?

The pre-existing issues with dwarf stuff in will be the best indicator.

My perception was they listed enough to game with, but not complete rules, a bit of fluff and some pics, but I haven't as much as picked a copy off a shelf, so others will be better placed to comment.

Looky Likey wrote:
GW seem reluctant to make game changing decisions in the FAQ and reducing the wave serpent range would be gaming changing. Guessing but I suspect they would not change rules that would affect high sales of something and/or not everybody bothers with FAQs so they would be worried you'd have a bunch of people arguing over if FAQs are valid.

Giving the Baledrake a 360 flamer was pretty game changing for a FAQ. And didnt both Chaos Chosen and Dark Angels Company vets essentially get their entire entries rewrtten in FAQs?

Looky Likey wrote:
GW seem reluctant to make game changing decisions in the FAQ and reducing the wave serpent range would be gaming changing. Guessing but I suspect they would not change rules that would affect high sales of something and/or not everybody bothers with FAQs so they would be worried you'd have a bunch of people arguing over if FAQs are valid.

Well perhaps one of the few things that people usually agree is that Official FAQs are just that - when they come out - that's the new rule

I am really hoping for a full Knight Household Codex with loads of new fluff leading to Skitarii models etc - I really want this to be true, but.................

 Alpharius wrote:
Ah...can we at least try and stay on topic in here, please?

thanks!

OK - next Off Topic Post gets a warning!

That picture is exciting and frustrating all at the same time.

Really wish somebody would leak more!

I so hope they are not vehicles, but Monstrous Creatures instead.

If it's a vehicle, no matter how unlikely, one shot can destroy it (thanks to crappy GW vehicle rules). MC's? As long as they have more than two wounds, can't be one shot'ed.

Looking forward to these guys no matter what. The rules may suck, but GW churns out some sweet models.

 Tamwulf wrote:
I so hope they are not vehicles, but Monstrous Creatures instead.

If it's a vehicle, no matter how unlikely, one shot can destroy it (thanks to crappy GW vehicle rules). MC's? As long as they have more than two wounds, can't be one shot'ed.

Looking forward to these guys no matter what. The rules may suck, but GW churns out some sweet models.

Actually, thanks to the super heavy rules, the luckiest shot can only take 4 HPs off it, so it isn't as bad as all that, and remember that MCs don't have EW as a rule, so are just as vulnerable to one shot kills (albeit by less common weaponry)

That said, while I think they should be vehicles, I do echo the sentiment that to work better in the game as it is now, MC would be the way to go.

It has the stats of a venerable dread but cost more and has better weapons. So around 140$? Sounds about right .

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we have actual, 100% confirmation of those rules or is it still at that stage of "Soandso saw it, here's what he saw"?

Nah, that's the whole thing, I pointed out a few pages ago that this is just based off "A store manager somewhere got his stuff early and did this", everyone's taken it as official and gone on long diatribes about how they hate superheavies in 40k, fortifications in 40k, wave serpents(!) etc. It's silly, is what it is.

You're free to disbelieve all you want, but the amount of fake rumors of this magnitude is surprisingly small. Why would anyone bother to invent inaccurate rules, after all? Even trolls usually want to evoke a stronger emotional response than our nattering circle of commentators here has provided for them.

I believe this rumor & will buy at least one, along with the new guard tank, and new flyer...

So in the past we've had entire threads of people wanted a plastic titan. In this case a mini titan. And now that they get one, maybe, all they do is bitch about its rules even though we dont know them. If this game bothers you that much go play Warmachine or Infinity. They have much better rules from what I hear.

Why would any reasonable person assume that a mini titan would not have access to D weapons or void shield?

 MikeFox wrote:
So in the past we've had entire threads of people wanted a plastic titan. In this case a mini titan. And now that they get one, maybe, all they do is bitch about its rules even though we dont know them. If this game bothers you that much go play Warmachine or Infinity. They have much better rules from what I hear.

Why would any reasonable person assume that a mini titan would not have access to D weapons or void shield?

Precedent?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

You're free to disbelieve all you want, but the amount of fake rumors of this magnitude is surprisingly small. Why would anyone bother to invent inaccurate rules, after all? Even trolls usually want to evoke a stronger emotional response than our nattering circle of commentators here has provided for them.

Well, I believe it's happening, I'm just not buying the story about the store manager and the riptide proxies yet. For one thing, if this mythical store manager has the WD with the rules, why aren't there more image leaks?

If this is true .......well we'll let the models speak for themselves


Knight bro fist

 MikeFox wrote:
So in the past we've had entire threads of people wanted a plastic titan. In this case a mini titan. And now that they get one, maybe, all they do is bitch about its rules even though we dont know them. If this game bothers you that much go play Warmachine or Infinity. They have much better rules from what I hear.

Why would any reasonable person assume that a mini titan would not have access to D weapons or void shield?

See page 1..A knight is not a titan and based on current canon does not have access to either of those.. Thus a reasonable person who assumes that is more likely a reasonable person who hasn't read anything about what Knights are.

If they really wanted these things to sell like hotcakes, they'd make them MCs, usable by IG, Space Marines, and Sisters, that can go toe to toe with the Wraighknight and Riptide, then point-cost them similarly.

As it is, I don't see them selling very many. How many LoS have they sold?

Glad an official imperial knight is coming out. dreamforge models can't be used in a GW store or in tournies or summer long campaigns (at GW)...

Did we cover this?

via 4chan **
http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/30208365#p30212501
"My FLGS had a copy of the Imperial Knights WD drop in from the warp. Had the stats for the Knight Paladin and Knight Errant inside.

(Superheavy walkers, not MCs, which is kind of a relief considering I've had enough MCs for a fething lifetime. Yes, this means they get Stomp, Hammer of Wrath, and all that bull.)

Paladin: 75 guardsmen cost, Errant is 74. Both are Stormraven AVs with +1 front armor and double the HP, with a 4+ invul on one facing that you choose during opponent's Shooting (but not CC or overwatch). Marine WS, BS, and I, Captain number of attacks with a strength D chainsword. Paladin is armed with a 2-shot battle cannon, and Errant has a +1S 36" large blast melta. Hilariously, the Errant has a single heavy stubber, while the Paladin has 2(!!).

So, the LGS owner did a crazy thing and proxied 5 of them using Riptides against a CSM player. Promptly proceeded to murder all 9 deep-striking oblits, all the cultists, and the suicide terminator squad (Let it be said, the ability to position the deflector shield *after* movement is finished is pretty damn powerful...). Only lost because of the Chaos Spawn and HQ hid on the second level of a ruin, and the 2 Heldrakes having ridiculously good luck on their Vector Strike rolls."

Yep.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/579689.page#6539633

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Glad an official imperial knight is coming out. dreamforge models can't be used in a GW store or in tournies or summer long campaigns (at GW)...

Can you even get an actual game in at many GW stores anyway?

 Alpharius wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Glad an official imperial knight is coming out. dreamforge models can't be used in a GW store or in tournies or summer long campaigns (at GW)...

Can you even get an actual game in at many GW stores anyway?

Those rules, on a 4'x4' store table. Yikes!