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Blood claws being only 13 points is awesome though. For 485 (guessing as come of the option costs) I can have 15 blood claws with a flamer and a powerfist in a LRC with a multi-melta.
Just camp that on the home objective, and/or take two, and rush one towards and objective and just park it there until it gets popped.
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I've just realised, if the rumours about the changes to Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are correct, that's my fluffy Iron Hands list done for since SW were the only cheap way left to get a Terminator Sergeant for a regular squad of Marines. Thanks GW.
Seriously at this rate I might just try and persuade the local club to go back to 3rd Edition.
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Hopefully it's just Bolter/Pistol and for +1 pt you get a CCW in addition to the Bolter/Pistol not replacing the Bolter or Pistol.
Also if they get rid of WG mixed Termie squads and being able to lead squads with Termies, I'll also be unhappy.
GW do seem to love making me unhappy though. My SW are hanging on a knife's edge at the moment, if GW screw them up, I think I'll just give the SW away.
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2014/07/21 09:04:25
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up? Teaser vid p11
"How do you make Space Wolves different enough to justify them having their own codex, while simultaneously keeping them on the same power-level as the other Marines"?
The more I hear the less I like, though. I mean, I'm not like a huge Space Wolves fan- frankly their special snowflake nonsense irritates me.
But from a design standpoint, if they're going to have their own codex, they need more things that set them apart from standard marines beyond just their gak having different names. Even in 5th they were on the hairty edge, with really only the sagas, the Wolf-Guard system and their HQ system setting them apart, mechanically. Rumors point to two of those three things going away in exchange for a Stormraven+1, and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their special FoC too, considering what you can do with multiple detachments now.
Not surprising, as the past few codices have had a theme of GW "streamlining" or "simplifying" their features. Still disappointing, though.
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Yeah, I am also disappointed with the changes to the Wolf Guard as announced so far. That being said, the Wolf Guard/Royal Court style mechanics were a tad gimmicky. There may be something to weeding them out.
Jefffar wrote: Yeah, I am also disappointed with the changes to the Wolf Guard as announced so far. That being said, the Wolf Guard/Royal Court style mechanics were a tad gimmicky. There may be something to weeding them out.
You mean the same mechanism that Eldar Warlocks and IG Commissars have? What's so particularly gimmicky about Wolf Guard that we are not allowed to keep it?
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: GW do seem to love making me unhappy though. My SW are hanging on a knife's edge at the moment, if GW screw them up, I think I'll just give the SW away.
I'll have my people call your people if that's the case.
I think at this point with what I'm hearing in the rumours, I'm more annoyed at the prospect of losing the WG squad leaders. If they take away the true grit on GH, it sucks but I can kind of understand it. I'll just drop in and rapid fire and let them come at my CA but taking away the leader of the pack will really irk me because it's one of the bits of fluff I really loved.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I think at this point with what I'm hearing in the rumours, I'm more annoyed at the prospect of losing the WG squad leaders. If they take away the true grit on GH, it sucks but I can kind of understand it. I'll just drop in and rapid fire and let them come at my CA but taking away the leader of the pack will really irk me because it's one of the bits of fluff I really loved.
The main annoyance if they make the change as rumoured is that it fraks up many of my models that are armed with Bolter/CCW. I'd rather they changed it to not have CA than get rid of Bolter/CCW/Pistol.
Yodhrin wrote: I've just realised, if the rumours about the changes to Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are correct, that's my fluffy Iron Hands list done for since SW were the only cheap way left to get a Terminator Sergeant for a regular squad of Marines. Thanks GW.
GW have said time after time that they don't want to homogenise the Space Marines and just make them virtually the same army with different colour schemes (I can hear every Chaos player on the planet screaming in the background), so when you think about it it really makes sense to remove deployable Wolf Guard Pack Leaders and just make them regular Sergeant upgrades like every other Marine Codex.
Man I really hate those teaser trailers... It´s just a camera sweep on one friggin static picture all the time.. I have no idea why I even bother watching them...
2014/07/21 10:15:55
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up? Teaser vid p11
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2014/07/21 10:22:12
Subject: Space Wolves coming up?flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
When the Chibi-Hawk first came out I made the bold prediction that the next Marine flyer would be the opposite of that. Rather than having big wings and no fuselage it would have no wings and a bit fuselage. I was mostly right about the Space Guppy... but clearly I was not predicting the future, just the far future because Jesus Christ that thing has tiny wings.
I actually love it. Damned shame it's Wolves only.
Yeah, the transport thing actually highlights the problem with it. As an assault boat, as a breaching weapon, as a direct frontal assault craft it makes sense, the same sense that makes this thing work on a conceptual level. It even has a big gun to breach and then the troops inside jump out the front.
Only that's not it at all.
It has a back hatch for a Razorback's worth of Marines. The purpose of this flying machine is the giant cannon that runs the length of its fuselage. A giant fixed cannon. They've made a Space Wolf A-10 Thunderbolt but forgot to give it wings...
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Hmm. Looks Ok, but I can't see anything that makes it particularly wolfy other than the themed gun. I'm intrigued to see their justification for it being only available to the Wolves. It's strange to think that when the SR came out it was promoted as unusual in that it was a Chapter-specific vehicle, and the BA, fluff-wise, had disputes with the Ad Mech over such a fact. Now every Chapter has the SR, and the wolves and DA have their own unique fliers as well. Odd.
2014/07/21 10:42:12
Subject: Space Wolves coming up?flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, the transport thing actually highlights the problem with it. As an assault boat, as a breaching weapon, as a direct frontal assault craft it makes sense, the same sense that makes this thing work on a conceptual level. It even has a big gun to breach and then the troops inside jump out the front.
Only that's not it at all.
It has a back hatch for a Razorback's worth of Marines. The purpose of this flying machine is the giant cannon that runs the length of its fuselage. A giant fixed cannon. They've made a Space Wolf A-10 Thunderbolt but forgot to give it wings...
Maybe you zap em with the helfrost gun then deploy your troops safely from the back end?
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