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 xttz wrote:
They edited the article with a new faction image:

One of thosae chaos stars one is CSM and one Daemons?
Because the one on the lower left is strange

The one on the lower left is chaos knights i think.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Belle of the ball for me has to be the Howling Bumshee.

As others have said, it's a straight plastification of a classic design. And, best of all, completely out of leftfield.

Nothing heralded that reveal, making it all the sweeter.

The only forewarning we may have gotten is the new rumor image of hair with ribbons in it, which might actually be Jain Zar

There won't be dual Aspect Warrior kits. Google for Eldar concept art - Jes designed every aspect with slightly distinct body armour.

With the plastic Banshee, they went even closer to his 4th Ed era sketches than the actual 4th Ed metal/Finecast models - see the split toes on the feet for example. Something present in the concept art but not on the 4th Ed era models.

They would have needed to make the Banshee armour more generic to be compatible with say Swooping Hawks, but instead, they made made it very distinct. So, a distinct kit for each aspect. Might take longer, but at least they'll do them justice.

Cronch wrote:
The one on the lower left is chaos knights i think.

sorry meant right. It's the daemon one. To no ones surprise and another book i'll pass up and use other means to aquire for my CSM.

 Overread wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
From what I've seen from GW with this and in the past few months is that GW is really serious about cutting out all metal and resin so I think we'll see more updates of metal/resin kits to plastic in the future or complete removal.

Exciting times!

I think the only reason we've not seen more cut is that GW has limited production slots, esp when Fantasy armies have on the whole a LOT more metal and resin floating around. Eldar Craftworlds are the last 40K army with extensive resin in the core force; whilst armies like Necrons only have it in heroes and Tyranids have only a handful.

Finecast is still failcast - I've got 3 cockatrice with some moulding problems (I bought 2, got one replaced and figured it wasnt' worth building a whole army of them on getting replacements; esp as GW would keep sending me full kits so I'd still have to "fix" them). Thankfully I can just build up the skull bone pile in the imddle to hide it. But the material still has its casting problems. So removing it is critical for GW to move forward.

If GW is going to do this with a themed series of events and perhaps some new stuff thrown in alongside replacements then I'm all for it. I'm also really pleased to see that the Howling Banshee IS a Howling Banshee and that they've not used this moment to redefine Eldar in style. Of course I hope once they get to guardians that they get a bit of a face lift!

Dark Eldar have A LOT of failcast as well.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 xttz wrote:
They edited the article with a new faction image:

One of thosae chaos stars one is CSM and one Daemons?
Because the one on the lower left is strange

Left to Right

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld Aeldari, Ynnari and Drukhari (not sure which is which), Inquisition
2nd Row: Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Tyranids or Genestealer Cults (again not sure), Astra Militarum
3rd Row: Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, Orks, Necrons, Tau Empire, Chaos Daemons
Bottom Row: Adeptus Mechanicus, Blood Angels, Adepta Sororitas, Tyranids (or Cults), Space Wolves, Dark Angels

The double wyrm is Tyranids, single circular wyrmform is GSC. And the top right is Deathwatch not Inquisition, in this context.

Mental Surge wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
From what I've seen from GW with this and in the past few months is that GW is really serious about cutting out all metal and resin so I think we'll see more updates of metal/resin kits to plastic in the future or complete removal.

Exciting times!

I think the only reason we've not seen more cut is that GW has limited production slots, esp when Fantasy armies have on the whole a LOT more metal and resin floating around. Eldar Craftworlds are the last 40K army with extensive resin in the core force; whilst armies like Necrons only have it in heroes and Tyranids have only a handful.

Finecast is still failcast - I've got 3 cockatrice with some moulding problems (I bought 2, got one replaced and figured it wasnt' worth building a whole army of them on getting replacements; esp as GW would keep sending me full kits so I'd still have to "fix" them). Thankfully I can just build up the skull bone pile in the imddle to hide it. But the material still has its casting problems. So removing it is critical for GW to move forward.

If GW is going to do this with a themed series of events and perhaps some new stuff thrown in alongside replacements then I'm all for it. I'm also really pleased to see that the Howling Banshee IS a Howling Banshee and that they've not used this moment to redefine Eldar in style. Of course I hope once they get to guardians that they get a bit of a face lift!

Dark Eldar have A LOT of failcast as well.

Who doesn't want to break their Mandrakes during assembly or field an army of the same pose Grotesques?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
“The series will see plot threads that have enticed fans for decades resolved, champions new and old rise to the fore, and staggering revelations made”

"We will ruin longstanding mysteries by explaining them, lots of new Primaris characters will be introduced, and we'll make some new plot threads!"

Sounds about right. GW learn nothing from Star Wars or countless other properties by explaining away things that never needed explaining. Mystery is part of the appeal of some things.

As for the rest of the "reveals". Well, all that is said has been said. Shrike is terrible. The talon spurs, the emo hair. Just, why?

Necromunda- Don't play it right now but my initial reaction was Scavvies.

AoS- I kinda like the look of these guys but they do feel like a mishmash of concepts that have been smashed together in a need for copyright protection.

LOTR- Buildings look good, as does Saruman.

 Deadshot wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 xttz wrote:
They edited the article with a new faction image:

One of thosae chaos stars one is CSM and one Daemons?
Because the one on the lower left is strange

Left to Right

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld Aeldari, Ynnari and Drukhari (not sure which is which), Inquisition
2nd Row: Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Tyranids or Genestealer Cults (again not sure), Astra Militarum
3rd Row: Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, Orks, Necrons, Tau Empire, Chaos Daemons
Bottom Row: Adeptus Mechanicus, Blood Angels, Adepta Sororitas, Tyranids (or Cults), Space Wolves, Dark Angels

Yeah thank you, found it myself and the hope i had for a moment has been shattered once again.

 Deadshot wrote:


Left to Right

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld Aeldari, Ynnari and Drukhari (not sure which is which), Inquisition
2nd Row: Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Tyranids or Genestealer Cults (again not sure), Astra Militarum
3rd Row: Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, Orks, Necrons, Tau Empire, Chaos Daemons
Bottom Row: Adeptus Mechanicus, Blood Angels, Adepta Sororitas, Tyranids (or Cults), Space Wolves, Dark Angels

Nah.

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld, Drukhari, Harlequins, Deathwatch. (no Ynnari or Inquisiton anywhere)
2nd to 4th Row: As you said.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Mental Surge wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
From what I've seen from GW with this and in the past few months is that GW is really serious about cutting out all metal and resin so I think we'll see more updates of metal/resin kits to plastic in the future or complete removal.

Exciting times!

I think the only reason we've not seen more cut is that GW has limited production slots, esp when Fantasy armies have on the whole a LOT more metal and resin floating around. Eldar Craftworlds are the last 40K army with extensive resin in the core force; whilst armies like Necrons only have it in heroes and Tyranids have only a handful.

Finecast is still failcast - I've got 3 cockatrice with some moulding problems (I bought 2, got one replaced and figured it wasnt' worth building a whole army of them on getting replacements; esp as GW would keep sending me full kits so I'd still have to "fix" them). Thankfully I can just build up the skull bone pile in the imddle to hide it. But the material still has its casting problems. So removing it is critical for GW to move forward.

If GW is going to do this with a themed series of events and perhaps some new stuff thrown in alongside replacements then I'm all for it. I'm also really pleased to see that the Howling Banshee IS a Howling Banshee and that they've not used this moment to redefine Eldar in style. Of course I hope once they get to guardians that they get a bit of a face lift!

Dark Eldar have A LOT of failcast as well.

Who doesn't want to break their Mandrakes during assembly or field an army of the same pose Grotesques?

At this point, our local GW just accepts that the official model for a grotesque is a unit of ghouls with spare bits from a talos.

Let's see:

- The Psychic Awakening video was presumably narrated either by someone's wife or a very depressed cleaning lady. Would have thought they might want to employ a woman with a more authoritative voice but I guess the Inquisition has gone the way of the British army and it's now perfectly okay for Inquisitors to cry their eyes out.

- Anyway, the actual reveals for Psychic Awakening are basically nonexistent. Apparently every faction (except for Ynnari, Inquisition etc. because who plays them?) will be getting new rules. We've been told absolutely nothing about what these rules will be for. I remind people that adding 'Roll a d6 at the beginning of each of your turns. On a 1-5 nothing happens. On a 6 nothing happens.' would technically cover GW's commitment to giving each army new rules, though I expect DE to somehow get rules with even less effort than that. I'd love to be more optimistic but GW has decided to tell me bugger-all so I'm left with nothing to go on save for my natural cynicism.

- There are a couple of nice models in the new bone-men (or whatever they're called) range. I like the bloke with the scythe (though I'm not entirely sure what he's supposed to be doing - cleaning souls off it, maybe?), and I like the random skeletal samurai on the Mortarch's base. Assuming they're not stupidly large (as most GW models seem to be these days), I might try to get hold of them for use in conversions. I could see the Samurai being a fun Ynnai Visarch if I ever wanted such a thing. However, I'm rather puzzled as to why there's a skeletal Samurai on the Mortarch's base. Don't get me wrong, skeletal samurai sounds like a fun concept - it's just that in this case the samurai aesthetics don't seem to exist outside of that one model. Everything else just looks like a mix of Nagash, Tomb Kings and Tyranids (none of which are well known for their Asian or samurai looks).

More than that though, I can't help but feel that these are just unnecessary. I'm looking at the infantry dudes with big swords and shields and all I can think is 'aren't these just Grave Guard?'. Likewise, don't we already have Black Knights and Blood Knights to cover both light and heavy cavalry, respectively? Hence, I'm struggling to see what niche these bone cavalry serve. I am glad to see that the undead have finally acknowledged the strategic usefulness of ranged weapons. Pity it didn't come up when they were designing the 4-armed dudes. They could have used two hands to fire a bow and still had two left over to dual-wield swords. Alternatively, they could have used 2 hands to carry a giant tower-shield and screened both themselves and everything behind them. But no, it's either 2 extra swords or 2 bigger swords (the latter being held in the most impractical way possible). For creatures apparently created from scratch I'm really not seeing much in the way of innovation or creativity. Also, if you were building an (un)living catapult, why would you make it dependant on little skeletons? If you can give it dozens of skeletal feet to drag itself along, couldn't you also give it some arms so that it could fire itself?

I should probably stop thinking about this.


Most of the other stuff isn't of interest to me so I won't bother reviewing it. Only thing I'll say is that not even Shrike's helmet can contain his glorious emo haircut.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Belle of the ball for me has to be the Howling Bumshee.

As others have said, it's a straight plastification of a classic design. And, best of all, completely out of leftfield.

Nothing heralded that reveal, making it all the sweeter.

I love the lightness of the pose.. I was literally thinking there will definitely not be plastic aspects on show at this this morning ..
I wonder if we will get a court of the young king again if the aspects come with Exarchs and all their gear.. also banshees with double swords as an option? too much?

Cronch wrote:

or people who had a vague appreciation for TK before but never actually got around to collecting them

So 90% of "TK Players" out there? There's a reason they got squatted.

Which might or might not be due to sales. GW doesn't squat things just out of sale. Squats weren't squatted by sales and even exceeding GW's own expectations by 400% in sales doesn't save you from squatting if GW so decides.


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 The Phazer wrote:

It just says they're not getting new rules, which is presumably because any "new" rules for them are already going to be in their codex. Surely if Sisters were getting new rules in PA at the same time as their codex shipping we'd see GW accused of making people buy two books and artificially screwing money out of people.

Edit: And they've updated the graphic now so they're there anyway!

Haha standard thing for them to do anyway And besides the supplements don't come out all at once. Let's say first one comes next month and sister one comes in january. That would be longer gap between codex and supplement to buy than space marines might be getting..

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Left to Right

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld Aeldari, Ynnari and Drukhari (not sure which is which), Inquisition
2nd Row: Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Tyranids or Genestealer Cults (again not sure), Astra Militarum
3rd Row: Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, Orks, Necrons, Tau Empire, Chaos Daemons
Bottom Row: Adeptus Mechanicus, Blood Angels, Adepta Sororitas, Tyranids (or Cults), Space Wolves, Dark Angels

Nah.

Top Row: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Craftworld, Drukhari, Harlequins, Deathwatch. (no Ynnari or Inquisiton anywhere)
2nd to 4th Row: As you said.

I forgot Deathwatch but I thought Harlequins were little minidex like Assassins and Inquisition?

 silverstu wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Belle of the ball for me has to be the Howling Bumshee.

As others have said, it's a straight plastification of a classic design. And, best of all, completely out of leftfield.

Nothing heralded that reveal, making it all the sweeter.

I love the lightness of the pose.. I was literally thinking there will definitely not be plastic aspects on show at this this morning ..
I wonder if we will get a court of the young king again if the aspects come with Exarchs and all their gear.. also banshees with double swords as an option? too much?

I think a Plastic Kit is in fact the ideal time to introduce additional, squaddie level Ritual Weapons to Aspects.

Whilst fully understanding that will be sacrilege to some, consider where that concept first came from - necessity. When Eldar first Eldared, mono-pose metal was the order of the day. So just give them the one kind of kit.

Now? Even a box of 10 Bumshees is going to leave a fair amount of sprue space spare. So why not add in Mirror Sword options for them? And Scorpion Claws for the Scorpions etc. None of them would take up a huge amount of room so would work nicely at using up the remaining space.

One thing I have just clocked on the new model? The shuriken pistol's ammo is seemingly part of the grip now, more Uzi than MP5k (look, I only know guns from movies. No dog piling for what is quite possibly an obvious derp)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Whilst fully understanding that will be sacrilege to some, consider where that concept first came from - necessity. When Eldar first Eldared, mono-pose metal was the order of the day. So just give them the one kind of kit.

It was metal era when we had more of variety in character models rather than just same monopose guys we have now thanks to plastic...

And when you look at old catalogues there was looooooots of different weapons for various guys. Sergeant with chainsword, sergeant with power axe, sergeant with maul 1, sergeant with maul 2 etc etc etc.

Wrong reason.

 Deadshot wrote:


I forgot Deathwatch but I thought Harlequins were little minidex like Assassins and Inquisition?

It's the Harlequins rune, not the Ynnari rune.

And the Harly book has more unit entries / data sheets than the Knights Codex. They also have 6-7 sub-factions / "chapter tactics" which is a lot more than other minidexes like Thousand Sons or Custodes, etc.. have going for themselves.

Most just suck in the game ... lol.

Ah, but not for the rank and file.

And despite Exarchs having equipment options since at least 2nd Ed (not idea on RT, but probably did then) their models didn't.

For the monopose? 3/4 sculpts for each.



Which is what I'm meaning. When you can only do so many due to design/budget/production constraints, the single weapon option makes sense for the rank and file.

Now, with plastic? You can still skimp on the posing options, yet still deliver greater weapon variety.

That was eldar design issue more than metal. GW had plenty of various poses for non eldar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Belle of the ball for me has to be the Howling Bumshee.

As others have said, it's a straight plastification of a classic design. And, best of all, completely out of leftfield.

Nothing heralded that reveal, making it all the sweeter.

I love the lightness of the pose.. I was literally thinking there will definitely not be plastic aspects on show at this this morning ..
I wonder if we will get a court of the young king again if the aspects come with Exarchs and all their gear.. also banshees with double swords as an option? too much?

I think a Plastic Kit is in fact the ideal time to introduce additional, squaddie level Ritual Weapons to Aspects.

Whilst fully understanding that will be sacrilege to some, consider where that concept first came from - necessity. When Eldar first Eldared, mono-pose metal was the order of the day. So just give them the one kind of kit.

Now? Even a box of 10 Bumshees is going to leave a fair amount of sprue space spare. So why not add in Mirror Sword options for them? And Scorpion Claws for the Scorpions etc. None of them would take up a huge amount of room so would work nicely at using up the remaining space.

One thing I have just clocked on the new model? The shuriken pistol's ammo is seemingly part of the grip now, more Uzi than MP5k (look, I only know guns from movies. No dog piling for what is quite possibly an obvious derp)

Yeah I think Jes' early sketches and fluff suggested other ritual weapon load outs which might have become exarch weapons Fire Dragons with flamers, Reapers with shrieker cannons .. wraith guard always had only one option in metal and 4 weapon types in plastic so its possible and would make the kits extra attractive for established collectors [i.e old farts like myself who still have their 2nd edition aspects.. ]

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Was thinking after a second look at shrike if you took him out of time and posted him on this forum 5-6 years ago before primaris etc i'm pretty sure the reaction would be.

And on another note i might buy one for the head to make the lesser know warmaster EMODDON.

Cut my Emperor into pieces, this is my last heresy. Suffocating, no breathing. Don't give a damn if I cut my dad, bleeding.

I feel like this post was majorly underappreciated.

 silverstu wrote:



Yeah I think Jes' early sketches and fluff suggested other ritual weapon load outs which might have become exarch weapons Fire Dragons with flamers, Reapers with shrieker cannons .. wraith guard always had only one option in metal and 4 weapon types in plastic so its possible and would make the kits extra attractive for established collectors [i.e old farts like myself who still have their 2nd edition aspects.. ]

There's certainly that. I suspect there are few long-term Eldar players that don't have all the Aspect Warriors they currently want.

But giving those squads some weapon flexibility (without altering what stuff they're good at doing)? Extra sales right there.

 vipoid wrote:
Let's see:

- The Psychic Awakening video was presumably narrated either by someone's wife or a very depressed cleaning lady. Would have thought they might want to employ a woman with a more authoritative voice but I guess the Inquisition has gone the way of the British army and it's now perfectly okay for Inquisitors to cry their eyes out.

I was under the impression it was the same actress they used for the GSC video. where she absolutely smashed it with that performance. I thought she was okay in that video, but I don't think they got the tone right in the few of the sentences, it should have been one of defiance (like in the GSC video) and not melancholy.

They need a reason for existing Eldar players to buy new Aspects. Giving them new weapons they couldn't get before is a perfect reason. Worked with Death Guard. Hell, go back far enough and you'll see it working with things like the current Stealth Suits. Had to give 'em a Fusion Gun otherwise Tau players would stick with the Stealth Suits they already owned.

 vipoid wrote:
- The Psychic Awakening video was presumably narrated either by someone's wife or a very depressed cleaning lady. Would have thought they might want to employ a woman with a more authoritative voice but I guess the Inquisition has gone the way of the British army and it's now perfectly okay for Inquisitors to cry their eyes out.

Pretty sure she's the same chick they've been using in lots of other videos, like their Necromunda ones.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Also, as you mentioned, GW has had a really bad time with Finecast. Rare is the resin cast GW item that you haven't had to green stuff or bend into place.

In my experience Finecast is far worse. Any resin can run the risk of bubbles and warping here and there from any manufacturer source, though some of the newer hybrid resins are a lot better than some traditional ones.

The main difference is that with finecast there's a few additional problems
1) A far greater chance of getting mould release "rubber" stuck in tight spots

2) When bubbles do happen its not one bubble its typically a cluster. This tends to not just make for a spot to fill, but obliterates the detail beyond reasonable repair.

3) It doesn't bend back from warping so easily as regular resins with heat treatment.

In general point 2 is the biggest issue because even if you get a fresh casting from GW to replace the damaged part, it can often mirror the very same bubblespot problem. So even their great customer service can't fix this one.
Finecast was just a mistake, at least whilst metals are a pain in production streamlining, the material is solid and once sold doesn't generate the problem of having to replace misscastings (which in metal are honestly quite rare to start with in my experience).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 silverstu wrote:



Yeah I think Jes' early sketches and fluff suggested other ritual weapon load outs which might have become exarch weapons Fire Dragons with flamers, Reapers with shrieker cannons .. wraith guard always had only one option in metal and 4 weapon types in plastic so its possible and would make the kits extra attractive for established collectors [i.e old farts like myself who still have their 2nd edition aspects.. ]

There's certainly that. I suspect there are few long-term Eldar players that don't have all the Aspect Warriors they currently want.

But giving those squads some weapon flexibility (without altering what stuff they're good at doing)? Extra sales right there.

Yeah- if they keep the theme but add variety thats a win for everyone - just checked some of Jes' original sketches for the banshees and power axes were an option, not specifically for the exarch but drawn with the regular trooper.

Its not the end of the world if there isn't options but it would make the kits a bigger hit.. I'd also hope for the odd unhelmeted head relating to those sketches but that might be a bit much [the war mask is the ritual patterns painted in blood on the face not the helmet itself ].

Really can't believe how thrilled I am at that single model,, hopefully we get more details soon- when des this campaign kick off??

 Ratius wrote:
Just realised Shrike has an old beaky helmet hanging off his belt.
Put it on damn you!

That's why I'm getting two. CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

One will be assembled exactly as is while the second will be removed from the bunker bit, pistol will be holstered, right arm will be lowered, and the beaky hat will be on.

PS did he get Primarisfied size-wise?

Yep! He's wearing the Suppressor's "Omnis" armor it looks like.