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2020/05/20 21:31:40
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well guess you're mistaken. I'm not being intentionally obtuse, my knowledge of Necron fluff is limited and I was just a bit skeptical.
It's fair to be completely skeptical of what kind of release this will entail. No one really knows, and while I'd be pretty shocked if we did not get a model for the Silent King is is possible. The event and release could encompass many things or little things.
However, the individual in the trailer is very clearly the Silent King, to the point where the only thing they could add to make it more obvious is to call him by that or his real name. So saying things like you struggle to understand where people are getting the Idea that people are thinking the Silent King will be released is going to raise some eyebrows.
TBH, it would just be cool if they did generic models for marines and did a established but less well known chapter as the paint scheme, like the death spectres or something.
Mortifactors WHEN?
2020/05/20 21:58:02
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
TBH, it would just be cool if they did generic models for marines and did a established but less well known chapter as the paint scheme, like the death spectres or something.
I'd be down with that.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/05/20 22:21:18
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well hold on now. King > Lion King > Lionel Johnson. Also all the hieroglyphs were carved on rock. Lionel Johnson is on the Dark Angel's ship, which is the ROCK.
It was really about Lionel Johnson returning just confirmed it.
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2020/05/21 03:01:51
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well hold on now. King > Lion King > Lionel Johnson. Also all the hieroglyphs were carved on rock. Lionel Johnson is on the Dark Angel's ship, which is the ROCK.
It was really about Lionel Johnson returning just confirmed it.
I mean... I've seen people use more twisted l;ogic.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/05/21 04:07:09
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
He saw some zoats and decided he wants none of that..
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Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
He saw what the Tyranids is fleeing from!
2020/05/21 06:20:35
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well hold on now. King > Lion King > Lionel Johnson. Also all the hieroglyphs were carved on rock. Lionel Johnson is on the Dark Angel's ship, which is the ROCK.
It was really about Lionel Johnson returning just confirmed it.
I mean... I've seen people use more twisted l;ogic.
Like those arguing this will be a reveal of 9th? Or those pushing for the consolidation of army books? Or those that thought blowing up an established game world rather than fixing bad corporate practises was a good idea?
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2020/05/21 07:28:29
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well hold on now. King > Lion King > Lionel Johnson. Also all the hieroglyphs were carved on rock. Lionel Johnson is on the Dark Angel's ship, which is the ROCK.
It was really about Lionel Johnson returning just confirmed it.
I mean... I've seen people use more twisted l;ogic.
Like those arguing this will be a reveal of 9th? Or those pushing for the consolidation of army books? Or those that thought blowing up an established game world rather than fixing bad corporate practises was a good idea?
A reveal of 9th is hardly crazy when you consider the rulebook has 3 years of tweaks, erratas and faqs to roll into it. Even if they reprint the rulebook with no other changes than including all the FAQ's it'd be enough of a change to call it a revised/new edition.
2020/05/21 07:30:15
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
Not quite, needs a bit of clarification.
The Silent King is a Necrontyr rank, the leader of their civilisation alongside two others, who collectively formed The Triarch.
The one returning is the last Silent King. The one who struck/authorised the bargain with the C’Tan, that lead to biotransference. During that period, every single Necrontyr was forcibly converted, to provide a fully militarised race with which to fight The Old Ones. And it worked, the Old Ones lost the war.
Part of the deal, alongside nobles getting better bodies and more seamless transference, was a control programme. With that, The Silent King held absolute power. No Necron could disobey him.
War won, he saw what had become of his people - what he had done. That’s when they struck against the C’Tan, shattering them into fragments (it’s unclear if they definitely got all of them though).
With that final task done, he destroyed his control programme/protocol, and headed off into the intergalactic void as penance for having so utterly failed his people. Millions of years later, he encountered something out there, and saw its threat. So he headed back home.
I can’t recall if it’s explicitly the Tyranid race he saw, or if it’s just heavily implied. Either way, whatever it is has galactic extinction potential. Sure, Necrons would probably survive it, but with absolutely no hope of ever reversing bio-transference. Hence his return.
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Valkyrie wrote: I'm struggling to understand where everyone got the idea that the Silent King will be released. I've seen the vid and I'm getting the vibes of something big, but my gut feeling is that it'll just be the proper announcement and overview of the new Szeras model, perhaps another infantry kit, possible even Pariahs, but not the Silent King.
Really? It's a video about the Silent King and him returning and you are wondering where people get the idea that he will be released?
More in that, in my opinion, the Silent King is never explicitly mentioned. They use the term "king", but that could refer to any of the Necron dynasties, not necessarily the Silent King. That, and with the fact that this seems so completely out of the blue, I'm sceptical that they'd drop something like this so suddenly.
The rulers of Dynasties are called Phaerons, not Kings. So no, it would not really refer to any dynasty. Not to mention, there is no individual dynasty that gave the people immortality, the Silent King did.
The opening clip even has him sitting with his two advisors to form the Triarch.
You don't even need to have a deep understand of Necron lore to know this clip is clearly about the Silent King. At this point I have to think you are being intentionally obtuse about it.
Well hold on now. King > Lion King > Lionel Johnson. Also all the hieroglyphs were carved on rock. Lionel Johnson is on the Dark Angel's ship, which is the ROCK.
It was really about Lionel Johnson returning just confirmed it.
I mean... I've seen people use more twisted l;ogic.
Like those arguing this will be a reveal of 9th? Or those pushing for the consolidation of army books? Or those that thought blowing up an established game world rather than fixing bad corporate practises was a good idea?
A reveal of 9th is hardly crazy when you consider the rulebook has 3 years of tweaks, erratas and faqs to roll into it. Even if they reprint the rulebook with no other changes than including all the FAQ's it'd be enough of a change to call it a revised/new edition.
Well, it would certainly qualify more as a "new" edition than csm II.
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2020/05/21 07:49:46
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Could you imagine somthing so terrifying that the Tyranids and Necrons fear it?! If they ever imply in the fluff that “somthing” out there could cause the Tyranids to feel cornered enough in this galaxy to ally with the other races against it I may just lose it! In a good way or bad I’m still not sure! It too over the top to contemplate until more if ever is revealed. Ok conspiracy rant done
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Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
Not quite, needs a bit of clarification.
The Silent King is a Necrontyr rank, the leader of their civilisation alongside two others, who collectively formed The Triarch.
The one returning is the last Silent King. The one who struck/authorised the bargain with the C’Tan, that lead to biotransference. During that period, every single Necrontyr was forcibly converted, to provide a fully militarised race with which to fight The Old Ones. And it worked, the Old Ones lost the war.
Part of the deal, alongside nobles getting better bodies and more seamless transference, was a control programme. With that, The Silent King held absolute power. No Necron could disobey him.
War won, he saw what had become of his people - what he had done. That’s when they struck against the C’Tan, shattering them into fragments (it’s unclear if they definitely got all of them though).
With that final task done, he destroyed his control programme/protocol, and headed off into the intergalactic void as penance for having so utterly failed his people. Millions of years later, he encountered something out there, and saw its threat. So he headed back home.
I can’t recall if it’s explicitly the Tyranid race he saw, or if it’s just heavily implied. Either way, whatever it is has galactic extinction potential. Sure, Necrons would probably survive it, but with absolutely no hope of ever reversing bio-transference. Hence his return.
Thank you for posting this, I've seen so many people rambling about the Silent King without actually never having read anything about Necron lore.
2020/05/21 08:33:56
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
John D Law wrote: Could you imagine somthing so terrifying that the Tyranids and Necrons fear it?! If they ever imply in the fluff that “somthing” out there could cause the Tyranids to feel cornered enough in this galaxy to ally with the other races against it I may just lose it! In a good way or bad I’m still not sure! It too over the top to contemplate until more if ever is revealed. Ok conspiracy rant done
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2020/05/21 08:34:44
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
I like the idea that the current tyranid fleets are really just advanced scouts softening up the galaxy ready for the full hive fleets. Maybe Szarek saw the full might of the tyranid hive fleets and has come back to unite the necron Dynasties against it. Would be a cool reason to create a bunch of new tyranid units too!
2020/05/21 08:41:08
Subject: Re:'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
If we indeed get the Silent King it will just be a more pompous overlord or one on a special barge.No, I want pariahs - the old human cyborg hybrids that we had pre 5th. I could use lychguard but it's not the same... C'mon pariahs!
2020/05/21 08:55:19
Subject: Re:'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Yeah, GW is great at screwing up rules of new big models, see ghaz. I second that the silent king, if he gets a new model, will be a big disappointment. Just like szeras, judging from what has been shown.
2020/05/21 09:09:05
Subject: Re:'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
p5freak wrote: Yeah, GW is great at screwing up rules of new big models, see ghaz. I second that the silent king, if he gets a new model, will be a big disappointment. Just like szeras, judging from what has been shown.
Show your work. Why do you think Szeras is going to be disappointing?
“Do not ask me to approach the battle meekly, to creep through the shadows, or to quietly slip on my foes in the dark. I am Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fist, Space Marine, Emperor’s Champion. Let my enemies cower at my advance and tremble at the sight of me.”
-Rogal Dorn
2020/05/21 09:42:38
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
Basically the King who united the Necron Dynasties under one banner. He awoke and instead of uniting them all again he headed off on a barge with some escorts into the deep black of infinite space outside of the Galaxy. Apparently he saw something there that scared him and send him reeling back to the Galaxy with the overall objective of uniting the awakening Necron Dynasties into a single fighting force instead of competing Dynastic groups.
It's generally believed that what he saw was more Tyranids and perhaps something even more sinister and deadly than they've thrown at the Galaxy thus far. Thus making him fearful enough to need to return and unite his people to stand against them.
Not quite, needs a bit of clarification.
The Silent King is a Necrontyr rank, the leader of their civilisation alongside two others, who collectively formed The Triarch.
The one returning is the last Silent King. The one who struck/authorised the bargain with the C’Tan, that lead to biotransference. During that period, every single Necrontyr was forcibly converted, to provide a fully militarised race with which to fight The Old Ones. And it worked, the Old Ones lost the war.
Part of the deal, alongside nobles getting better bodies and more seamless transference, was a control programme. With that, The Silent King held absolute power. No Necron could disobey him.
War won, he saw what had become of his people - what he had done. That’s when they struck against the C’Tan, shattering them into fragments (it’s unclear if they definitely got all of them though).
With that final task done, he destroyed his control programme/protocol, and headed off into the intergalactic void as penance for having so utterly failed his people. Millions of years later, he encountered something out there, and saw its threat. So he headed back home.
I can’t recall if it’s explicitly the Tyranid race he saw, or if it’s just heavily implied. Either way, whatever it is has galactic extinction potential. Sure, Necrons would probably survive it, but with absolutely no hope of ever reversing bio-transference. Hence his return.
Thank you for posting this, I've seen so many people rambling about the Silent King without actually never having read anything about Necron lore.
Seconded. Brilliantly concise summary.
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Necronmaniac05 wrote: I like the idea that the current tyranid fleets are really just advanced scouts softening up the galaxy ready for the full hive fleets. Maybe Szarek saw the full might of the tyranid hive fleets and has come back to unite the necron Dynasties against it. Would be a cool reason to create a bunch of new tyranid units too!
What currently stops you from playing a game with removed or limited command points and "Freebies"? Certainly seems like stuff like detachment-wide rules, stratagems and whatnot would be perfectly easy to play without. The game does not need them to function.
This is like me saying that I wish GW would design the game to allow me to play ITC missions. I can currently play ITC missions. Many do. Why do I need GW to tell me I can? GW currently tells people they can play Open Play, and next to nobody chooses to. I would hazard to bet that ITC, while not endorsed by GW officially, is less popular than GW-endorsed Open Play.
My point is that GW already owns the ideas necessary for a rules system that affords multiple ways to play at different levels of realism and organization, I want to say sort of GURPS style.
What stops me? Nothing - but it would be great if I could say "Hey <person I have not met before, or members of gaming group Alpha Bravo, or ...>, for our <pick-up game, league games, tourney, etc> can we use the advanced rules on terrain and cover from pages N, M, and O. And, I like to use the force org charts described on pages PQ and RS? What do you think?"
Easier than "Hey <whoever>, GW rules are stoopid <insert picture of Baneblade poking a corner from behind a rock and shooting all guns as if with clear line of sight>. Let's do this <baneblade cannot see to shoot, but can be targetted, and when shot at we should use a damage allocation table as in earlier editions to see if the front track is hit; if the Baneblade is hit, then front track that is visible is hit if the roll on damage allocation table indicates that tracks are damaged, or... >. Whatcha think?"
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2020/05/21 11:07:57
Subject: 'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
The so-called theory "Tyranids are running away from something far worse" doesn't exist.
The Horus Heresy novel "Pharos" explicitly states at the end of the book that Tyranids were attracted to the Milky Way when loyalists destroyed an ancient xeno-artifact to prevent the Night Lords from conquering it.
This xeno-artifact (also confirmed in a recent novel to be a Necron construct) known as the Pharos was some kind of weird reversed Astronomicon (the Astronomicon is a lighthouse while the Pharos was more like a lantern). The Necron were using it to harnass psychic energy to aid in navigation.
When it was overloaded by the loyalists and destroyed, the Pharos produced for a very very brief time a gigantic amount of psychic energy.
This psychic energy went beyond the Milky Way, in the void, where "great behemoths of the deep were lurking". The Tyranids noticed it and identified the Milky Way as a source of preys and then shifted their course.
This is the end of the Pharos novel :
Spoiler:
Far beyond the fringes of the galaxy there was naught but endless black. Past the last few stray stars plying their lonely track through the cold night, past the dead worlds and the fragments of galactic collisions billions of years gone, past the probes sent out by extinct races recorded in no history…
past all that and beyond, there was a night sea studded with the diamond islands of distant, lonely galaxies.
Though incomprehensibly vast, this sea was not empty. Great behemoths of the deep lurked there.
Into the eternal blackness, a flash of quantum energy shone out at many times the speed of light; a brief flare, milliseconds in duration, projecting from an unremarkable spiral of stars.
It was not missed.
In the darkness, something of limitless hunger stirred in a slumber that had lasted for aeons. A million frozen and unblinking eyes saw the flash, tripping cascades of stimuli.
Their purpose served, the eyes died. The entity processed the message the eyes provided without ever truly awakening.
Automatically, instinctively, its gargantuan, dreaming mind analysed the signal, comparing it against all parameters for the one thing it sought.
Prey.
Slowly, glacially, the Great Devourer shifted its course.
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2020/05/21 11:19:54
Subject: Re:'The Big Warhammer 40k Preview' for Saturday May 23rd
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