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I just realized these are basically an updated Death leaper modelwise.
They have the three eyes and also have the talons instead of the more hand like claws of the lictor
Also there was a rumour the Death Leaper was going away so these could be the replacement?
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Not sure I how I feel about these. They're mostly nice, but the mandibles make a mess of the face. Also these are prime candidates for holding off on a final verdict until I see 360° pictures.
I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?
You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?
Would be good to get the Finecast models redone in plastic. Hopefully that will happen. But as a Sisters player I won't hold it against anyone for worrying about Lictors, Genestealers and Biovores who have been eternally passed over for plastic treatment. At some point you just won't entertain the possibility anymore until it actually happens.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Let the Leapers be the general interference, and the Lictor go back to being a reliable assassin.
That's what i was thinking, Leapers for infiltrating harassment forces, Lictor with punchy poison (Anti-infantry x+ in the new diction), a brain-eater anti-character ability, very good infiltration and surprise attack and enough general oomph to shred small retinues or scouting patrols solo.
Geifer wrote: Not sure I how I feel about these. They're mostly nice, but the mandibles make a mess of the face. Also these are prime candidates for holding off on a final verdict until I see 360° pictures.
I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?
You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?
Would be good to get the Finecast models redone in plastic. Hopefully that will happen. But as a Sisters player I won't hold it against anyone for worrying about Lictors, Genestealers and Biovores who have been eternally passed over for plastic treatment. At some point you just won't entertain the possibility anymore until it actually happens.
Imagine the outrage when Lictor, Stealers, Vores are left with the resin crap. Not even GW is that stupid, right?
Geifer wrote: Not sure I how I feel about these. They're mostly nice, but the mandibles make a mess of the face. Also these are prime candidates for holding off on a final verdict until I see 360° pictures.
I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?
You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?
Would be good to get the Finecast models redone in plastic. Hopefully that will happen. But as a Sisters player I won't hold it against anyone for worrying about Lictors, Genestealers and Biovores who have been eternally passed over for plastic treatment. At some point you just won't entertain the possibility anymore until it actually happens.
Imagine the outrage when Lictor, Stealers, Vores are left with the resin crap. Not even GW is that stupid, right?
Lictors and Biovores are the last resin kits of the Tyranids right ?
I could see stealers not being updated (as they are in plastic, even though they look horrible) since GW prefer to focus on the resin kits.
Geifer wrote: Not sure I how I feel about these. They're mostly nice, but the mandibles make a mess of the face. Also these are prime candidates for holding off on a final verdict until I see 360° pictures.
I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?
You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?
Would be good to get the Finecast models redone in plastic. Hopefully that will happen. But as a Sisters player I won't hold it against anyone for worrying about Lictors, Genestealers and Biovores who have been eternally passed over for plastic treatment. At some point you just won't entertain the possibility anymore until it actually happens.
Imagine the outrage when Lictor, Stealers, Vores are left with the resin crap. Not even GW is that stupid, right?
Nah, especially not Stealers. They might be legitimately among their most popular non-marine models and are playable in a handful of sidegames and one additional faction in 40k, no way they're not releasing a new stealer box in some way eventually.
Geifer wrote: Not sure I how I feel about these. They're mostly nice, but the mandibles make a mess of the face. Also these are prime candidates for holding off on a final verdict until I see 360° pictures.
I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?
You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?
Would be good to get the Finecast models redone in plastic. Hopefully that will happen. But as a Sisters player I won't hold it against anyone for worrying about Lictors, Genestealers and Biovores who have been eternally passed over for plastic treatment. At some point you just won't entertain the possibility anymore until it actually happens.
Imagine the outrage when Lictor, Stealers, Vores are left with the resin crap. Not even GW is that stupid, right?
Unfortunately GW's track record isn't all that great in that regard. Even if we don't go back too long, Necrons received a ton of models, some quite superfluous, while the Destroyer Lord remained a resin upgrade kit. Most recently, the World Eaters range isn't something that inspires confidence in GW's ability to select what kits should be made for an army.
Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
Please not unless they get a slew of other stuff alongside. The inevitable new 3 characters and "here's some genestealers we couldn't fit in for the other army" would be another waste of an expansion slot for them.
Unfortunately GW's track record isn't all that great in that regard. Even if we don't go back too long, Necrons received a ton of models, some quite superfluous, while the Destroyer Lord remained a resin upgrade kit. Most recently, the World Eaters range isn't something that inspires confidence in GW's ability to select what kits should be made for an army.
Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
There's also background rumours of a new edition of Space Hulk, and Genestealers are also a thing that could easily consitute a box for KillTeam. They could easily slot in anywhere in the release schedule, at any time. That being said, Valrak is firm on new Stealers, and so far he got the box contents bang-on.
Unfortunately GW's track record isn't all that great in that regard. Even if we don't go back too long, Necrons received a ton of models, some quite superfluous, while the Destroyer Lord remained a resin upgrade kit. Most recently, the World Eaters range isn't something that inspires confidence in GW's ability to select what kits should be made for an army.
Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
There's also background rumours of a new edition of Space Hulk, and Genestealers are also a thing that could easily consitute a box for KillTeam. They could easily slot in anywhere in the release schedule, at any time. That being said, Valrak is firm on new Stealers, and so far he got the box contents bang-on.
Isn't the space hulk talk just endless reverb over the 10th teasers at this point?
I wonder if its a duel kit with the option to say build 3 and then a lictor. Like how the Neurothrope is part of the Zoanthrope setup. That would work since then GW can keep the lictor as a lone wolf type model but also sell it in sets of 3.
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Unfortunately GW's track record isn't all that great in that regard. Even if we don't go back too long, Necrons received a ton of models, some quite superfluous, while the Destroyer Lord remained a resin upgrade kit. Most recently, the World Eaters range isn't something that inspires confidence in GW's ability to select what kits should be made for an army.
Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
There's also background rumours of a new edition of Space Hulk, and Genestealers are also a thing that could easily consitute a box for KillTeam. They could easily slot in anywhere in the release schedule, at any time. That being said, Valrak is firm on new Stealers, and so far he got the box contents bang-on.
Isn't the space hulk talk just endless reverb over the 10th teasers at this point?
Probably, but who even knows anymore Iirc the rumours about it started way before the trailer release, but i'm not entirely sure on that. Plus, i think there are literally always rumours about new Space Hulk because people like it so much.
So, Death Leaper' design is repurposed as a lesser Lictor, which means maybe the Lictor will take Death Leaper ' role as the Apex Tyranid assassin.
The mouth is a bit too busy, reminds me of the overdone Haruspex' design : overdone.
Also, i'm noting that they remain very faithful to the tyranid design established in 4th Edition, which is a bit disappointing, i expected an evolution of sorts.
I wonder if its a duel kit with the option to say build 3 and then a lictor. Like how the Neurothrope is part of the Zoanthrope setup. That would work since then GW can keep the lictor as a lone wolf type model but also sell it in sets of 3.
You're on to something, it does make sense to have a dual kit for those.
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I wonder if its a duel kit with the option to say build 3 and then a lictor. Like how the Neurothrope is part of the Zoanthrope setup. That would work since then GW can keep the lictor as a lone wolf type model but also sell it in sets of 3.
You're on to something, it does make sense to have a dual kit for those.
Aren't they smaller than a Lictor which is a Warrior sized (being derived from a Warrior genus)?
The lictor itself isn't all that huge by today's standards. The main difference is likely its hind legs and its main long arms and head design. Easily swappable parts with a similar core body segment.
Of course that's if its a duel kit; the other option is that the Lictor is being held in reserve and will be a character model on its own like the Broodlord and soforth. I honestly cannot fathom that GW wouldn't use this opportunity to update the lictor out of finecast.
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Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
Please not unless they get a slew of other stuff alongside. The inevitable new 3 characters and "here's some genestealers we couldn't fit in for the other army" would be another waste of an expansion slot for them.
I could live with a Genestealer Cults codex that's passed over for a larger model release just fine if instead of the lone character release they get a Genestealer box and an upgrade sprue similar to Black Templars to go with the new Cadians, provided Brood Brothers get proper rules representation in the codex. The miner theme is pretty well covered (we should get the drill back, but you know, GW and terrain kits...). Giving back the militia theme expands the army very reasonably without a need for many new kits. And let's face it, not every codex can get a sizable model release. At least Genestealers are in a good place in that regard, with the aforementioned potential to get (back) some cool stuff with a single kit and rules that are worth a damn.
Then maybe expand with high society models and get a limo in 11th ed.
But yeah, I'm not lobbying for Genestealers to get skipped over again. But at least they have a reasonable alternative release slot if GW decides to be funny about it. Preferably we get a nice, big release wave for Tyranids that modernizes everything. It's just that I don't trust GW to do that.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
And….I’m not sure these were mentioned in the “leaks”?
Well, mistaking them for slightly smaller Lictors is a mistake i'd forgive people even if they were well-versed in tyranids
That being said, with them looking and presumably working like lesser Lictors, i'll guess we get a Killteam out of them?
Are they smaller than Lictors? They look like they might just be a dual kit.
I was thinking they were on 40mms and thus in between Gaunts and Warriors in sizing, but based on the comparison to Arco-Flagellants I think they're on 50mm bases and just about Lictor sized.
So right now, my money's on it being a dual-build kit like Zoanthropes/Neurothropes, where you get three Leapers in a box but can build out one as a (bigger, badder) Lictor.
I wonder if its a duel kit with the option to say build 3 and then a lictor. Like how the Neurothrope is part of the Zoanthrope setup. That would work since then GW can keep the lictor as a lone wolf type model but also sell it in sets of 3.
You're on to something, it does make sense to have a dual kit for those.
Aren't they smaller than a Lictor which is a Warrior sized (being derived from a Warrior genus)?
I don't see any dead giveaways that they are any smaller. With a different back carapace, head, lower arms, and maybe tail they would become Lictorfied pretty easily.
My guess would be the kit lets you build 3 Lictors or 3 Leapers, and maybe has the parts for 1 Deathleaper (if DL still exists). But it's kind of weird that they wouldn't advertise the multi-build in today's article.
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Genestealers might be excusable if they're held back as a Cults release.
Please not unless they get a slew of other stuff alongside. The inevitable new 3 characters and "here's some genestealers we couldn't fit in for the other army" would be another waste of an expansion slot for them.
I could live with a Genestealer Cults codex that's passed over for a larger model release just fine if instead of the lone character release they get a Genestealer box and an upgrade sprue similar to Black Templars to go with the new Cadians, provided Brood Brothers get proper rules representation in the codex. The miner theme is pretty well covered (we should get the drill back, but you know, GW and terrain kits...). Giving back the militia theme expands the army very reasonably without a need for many new kits. And let's face it, not every codex can get a sizable model release. At least Genestealers are in a good place in that regard, with the aforementioned potential to get (back) some cool stuff with a single kit and rules that are worth a damn.
Then maybe expand with high society models and get a limo in 11th ed.
But yeah, I'm not lobbying for Genestealers to get skipped over again. But at least they have a reasonable alternative release slot if GW decides to be funny about it. Preferably we get a nice, big release wave for Tyranids that modernizes everything. It's just that I don't trust GW to do that.
I think on all accounts there's a whole host of other stuff in the GW range they could appropriate with a conversion pack (ambots, heck most of the necromunda stuff tbh) that would pad them out a little. I'm honestly a little surprised they can't work with nids again, despite understanding the logic behind it.
There's always the potential given the seeming shift towards Armies of Renown/AoS styled force building that GSC will be able to take a few Vanguard Organisms as part of their roster.
My reasoning, personally, for the Brood Brothers kit speculation is that we saw a dedicated Traitor Guardsman kit for Chaos. Most of that stuff could have been a straight-up upgrade frame for the upcoming Cadians--instead they designed a kit based off the previous aesthetic.
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I don't see any dead giveaways that they are any smaller. With a different back carapace, head, lower arms, and maybe tail they would become Lictorfied pretty easily.
Well, based on the 10th trailer (when we though they were Lictors), they looked smaller compared to SM (even Primaris) than a Lictor would.
That... hmm. I want to say its the paint job, but some of this just doesn't work. Tentacles and mandibles (which look oversized), the chest/torso looks weird, and hooves look like dedicated stompers, not a leaping thing.
I also suspect a dual-kit with lictors. It seems an utter waste of an opportunity for a plastic update if not.
Von Ryan's Leaper.... that name sounds familiar. Was it a critter in Rogue Trader (like ambulls and catachan devils), or something else?
That... hmm. I want to say its the paint job, but some of this just doesn't work. Tentacles and mandibles (which look oversized), the chest/torso looks weird, and hooves look like dedicated stompers, not a leaping thing.
I also suspect a dual-kit with lictors. It seems an utter waste of an opportunity for a plastic update if not.
Von Ryan's Leaper.... that name sounds familiar. Was it a critter in Rogue Trader (like ambulls and catachan devils), or something else?
It's mentioned in the 3rd and 4th ed nid codex alongside an old card apparently. Been knocking about in the fluff a while.
That... hmm. I want to say its the paint job, but some of this just doesn't work. Tentacles and mandibles (which look oversized), the chest/torso looks weird, and hooves look like dedicated stompers, not a leaping thing.
I also suspect a dual-kit with lictors. It seems an utter waste of an opportunity for a plastic update if not.
Von Ryan's Leaper.... that name sounds familiar. Was it a critter in Rogue Trader (like ambulls and catachan devils), or something else?
It's mentioned in the 3rd and 4th ed nid codex alongside an old card apparently. Been knocking about in the fluff a while.
I think it had either 3rd or 4th edition rules released on the old GW website.
