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We're waiting on the updated Army List book, which will have the entries from 1-5(or 6?) the current one is 1-3.

ah, gotcha, yalk made it sound like it had already been released

Just Bumping this to the front page ahead of new releases

Not up yet (broken link), but:

Linkety link

Ooh nice, I have been waiting for this!

Now we can play with certainty rather than pulled from awesome coverage those at the HHW did and shared.

G-g-goodbye unweildy on scythes

Together with this and the Crusade army list, we have everything up to date, if I understood it correctly?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Together with this and the Crusade army list, we have everything up to date, if I understood it correctly?

Aye, everything should be up to date with these two books

Excellent! Ordered them! Space is a very real concern to me, so not having to drag around all those fluff books is a boon.

You know there's a new Crusade book due soon too?

It's a teeny bit underhanded to directly solicit the sale of that one when the replacement is on the way, unless it's a lot further off than we suspect.

Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's some new "Support Cadre" Bundles up as well - with some savings.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You know there's a new Crusade book due soon too?

It's a teeny bit underhanded to directly solicit the sale of that one when the replacement is on the way, unless it's a lot further off than we suspect.

I was not aware of this - I thought the only book that was on the way, is the one that is up for pre-order now. Where did you see the news of a new Crusade book?

beast_gts wrote:
There's some new "Support Cadre" Bundles up as well - with some savings.

Apparently there is. 11 GBP cheaper than what you'd pay if you buy them all separately.

Damn it, ninja edited

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

I see, thank you, after all this time i still was not sure exactly what was in each of the red books, all i have been buying is the big ones.
I do plan on getting the smaller easier to reference versions eventually , I guess I will keep waiting for the new crusade book.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

Not entirely correct - There are two books out, but they have each their purpose:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Crusade-Army-List
This book is the generic models and units available to all legions - It has the warlord traits, the units, the CAD build and the missions. You can see it as yor Codex: 30k Space Marines. It contains all generic units up until HH vol 3. (so it doesn't include the Deredeo Dreadnought, the Xiphon Interceptor and the Stormbird, but contains all other generic units)

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Legions
The new one contains all the special units, special rules and primarchs for the legions. You can see it as Supplement: Legions. It does not contain any units that are generic, but is focused solely on the flavor of each legion.

In order to play 30k effectively, you will need both: Crusade army list for your generic models and Legions for your special rules. They are meant to supplement each other, not replace one another. it even says so at the botom of the book on the FW page:
"You will need a copy of The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List and the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook to use this book. "

I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

Unfotuntaly its a problem they will always have as long as they want to keep releasing new stuff for the armies while also simultaneously selling summary books, kind of catch 22.

Until its all over there will always be another more updated book looming on the horizon.

At least this time with the crusade book, we were forewarned somewhat, im pretty sure I read people were told it was on its way.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

 Nordicus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

There was a picture of the cover at the last HH event showing the other new red book, it even had a different title, too.

Ah, so I'm not going mental! I've seen it referred to by a lot of people in the manner of a "when" rather than an "if" and I was sure I remembered something from the Weekender, but Google has a habit of hiding things when you need them.

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

Most signs point to it arriving in a couple months. Supposedly it had been sent to the printer at about the time of the Weekender.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Nordicus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

There was a picture of the cover at the last HH event showing the other new red book, it even had a different title, too.

Isn't that the Solar Auxilia / Knights / etc. one?


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And the other one:

So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

I don't know anymore!

At least the Crusade army list was FAQ'd - suggesting the new book is a while away or it won't be essential to buy the new book.

The Legion specific book out today was essential as it changed quite a bit for each legion ruleset.

I ordered 8 for my group!

 Ashiraya wrote:
So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

Yes...in a couple months.

It's possible that they will create errata for the changes so that you don't need to buy the updated version. But I don't think anyone knows for sure.

 BrookM wrote:
Not up yet (broken link), but:

Spoiler:

Ordered! Along with HH Book 6 and IA book 13.

yay, books!