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So I don't know much about blood angels, but this unit called death company. Its a big 2850 pt game, and he has a squad of 30 death company, they deep strike. I samarily blast them with a looted wagon boom gun, and kill 23 of 30!!!!!! a 135 pt unit, blasted like 1800 pts off the table in a single shot, somedays you just have all the luck!

What have we learned today?

Death company suck. Rage is a terrible stupid rule, and they're overpriced with Jump Packs for sure.

I agree, after killing thousands of them

While I agree they are (and can get even more so with ugrades) quite expensive, I think with a statline that kills 11 MEQs on average (with 4 power weapons, split between six guys one of whom is lemartes) That can get very scary very fast...While I've seen this happen, I've also seen them eat 1800 points of green tide single handedly. So I shall be the Aerilos of this thread (or however you spell his name) and say NAY TO THEE! I for one see them as a mix of berzerkers and plague marines, and to be used as such. units whose strength is in assault, and have the tools to get there. never deep strike them. ever. run them either on foot, in a land raider, or in a storm raven. never. ever. EVER. under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. deep strike them or put them in a rhino. It's totally playing agiainst their strength

jjwaaagh wrote:So I don't know much about blood angels, but this unit called death company. Its a big 2850 pt game, and he has a squad of 30 death company, they deep strike. I samarily blast them with a looted wagon boom gun, and kill 23 of 30!!!!!! a 135 pt unit, blasted like 1800 pts off the table in a single shot, somedays you just have all the luck!

This belongs in tactics, this is not a battle report.

eNvY wrote:What have we learned today?

Death company suck. Rage is a terrible stupid rule, and they're overpriced with Jump Packs for sure.

We learned nothing. Just because someone doesn't know how to properly use Death Company does not make them a gakky unit. When used properly they can be a force that most people won't want to screw with.

Yeah, this thread has absolutely no meaning whatsoever, so I'm going to salvage some tactics from it.

Jump pack DC suck. Take them in a Land Raider.

Never load them up with Thunder Hammers or Power Fists. Take a few basic DC members to count as ablative wounds, also, taking a brilliant CC unit and making them all attack at I1 is absolute crap.

Jump pack DC are awesome. You simply have to know how to use them.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Jump pack DC are awesome. You simply have to know how to use them.

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And if you're the opponent, you simply have to know how to abuse them and take advantage of their rage.

What have we learned?

If you are playing a marine army against an S8 AP3 large blast weapon, spread out a bit.

Yeah the BA player should have used his run move to spread them out.

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lol... Who takes 30 DC and DEEP strikes them -_- Dumb. As others said, Land Raider or Storm Raven + 10 or so DC (1 PF, 2+ PW) and a chappy will own most anything. I ran this unit into a unit of 7 nobz + ghazkill and killed all but 1 nob and put 2 wounds on ghaz... even during his waaagh turn! following turn I ran down ghazzy and was on my way to demolishing more.

DC arer built for 2 things; getting the charge, and owning up in CC. The only way they can do either of these is by getting out of a vehicle that can get em there!

I've used 15 DC with jump packs joining them with Dante & Lemartes. With no scatter due to Dante's special rule it's going to be very hard to kite them or shoot them all down. It's a just for fun list but it can be amazingly brutal.

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Plus anyone with a brain will take the shooting phase to spread out after a deepstrike to minamise template hit

jy2 wrote:

Black Blow Fly wrote:Jump pack DC are awesome. You simply have to know how to use them.

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And if you're the opponent, you simply have to know how to abuse them and take advantage of their rage.

Like putting a Necron Deciever in range of assault. Then when they assault, say : "Nah, the Deciever doesn't feel like fighting this turn." Repeat for whole game.

Horde armies can surround the Deceiver such that there is no room for him to jump out of assault and if does then he is destroyed.

Actual gaming experience >> Internet gaming theories

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Gavo wrote:
Like putting a Necron Deciever in range of assault. Then when they assault, say : "Nah, the Deciever doesn't feel like fighting this turn." Repeat for whole game.

Not many people use the Deceiver. I was thinking more along the lines of dropping an empty drop pod into their backfield and watch in amusement as DC starts moving backwards towards it instead of forwards towards your main army. Either that or lead them away with an empty rhino.

Black Blow Fly wrote:Horde armies can surround the Deceiver such that there is no room for him to jump out of assault and if does then he is destroyed.

Actual gaming experience >> Internet gaming theories

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Unlikely scenario because:

1) The horde would have to pile into the Deceiver in assault so they cannot spread out. When the Deceiver misdirects, he can move in any direction.

2) BA is not a horde army.

Did I say BA is a horde army?

Orks and Nidz can easily surround the Deceiver. Only one unit needs to charge him. I've used this tactic to keep him in place several times.

So you are going to drop and empty pod to kite the DC... What if they are in a transport? It's not like they are going to all jump out so their Chaplain can take pictures.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Horde armies can surround the Deceiver such that there is no room for him to jump out of assault and if does then he is destroyed.

Actual gaming experience >> Internet gaming theories

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I've seen it done, it's pretty funny. One guy had a 30-man mob with Mad Doc attached (whatever gives them rage) and they were stuck doing nothing the whole game. Pretty funny.

It's pretty unlikely that someone would let their model get surrounded, though.

Getting a lucky shot on clustered marines doesn't mean death company suck, it means the player used them wrong. It also means he placed them in a terrible spot. I've played BA players who used them properly and had units of DC tear up significant portions of my army with ease.

(how 23 jump pack models even fit under the template..... and then managing to wound every single one....)

Demandred,

I was thinking the same thing. I've seen 16 units squeezed under a large template before, and those were chaos raptors.

Maybe DC use smaller packs or these didnt have them modeled?

It sounded quite dodgey to me. Maybe his blasty template is too biguns.

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First, I didn't know you could run after deepstrike. Second, the probably used an actual "Pie Plate"

You can run after a deepstrike. Pretty dumb not to knowing there was a boom gun sitting there with the DC's name engraved upon it's deff schel of doom.

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Yeah I don't know why anyone would run 30 DC, let alone DS them. That's like deepstriking hormagaunts, or an assault oriented carnifex. It's stupid, and a poor tactic, and DANGEROUS with that man models.
I personally like jump DC, cause its cheaper than a LR for the sqaud size i run (5 with 3 PS and a HF with lemartes...11 MEQs on avg in the first round of combat! ) but my personal favorite vehicle trick is that squad in a stormraven with a DC Dread with talons of fists and just assault out of that...cause then they become the CC version of meltavets

A DC dread assaulting out of a flying gunboat is really really nasty. Even better when you include a squad of Death Company for support.

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yea i've only done it once, proxying a friends Valk as a stormraven...it was a pretty devastating combo, especiallya gainst Tyranids, who are usually like, the Siht at CC

Totally agree with you. I just wish you could run multiple dreads in one Stormraven !!

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Black Blow Fly wrote:A DC dread assaulting out of a flying gunboat is really really nasty. Even better when you include a squad of Death Company for support.

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Every time I do this I have the scene from Dawn of War 2 opening cinematic where the Dread busts onto the screen and grabs the Banshee and says "I've come to destroy you" going off in my head. So appropriate. Seriously, blood talons are sooooo delicious.

Hell of a battle report you got here amigo.

Well, it is possible to hit 22 models with a large blast template.

22 bases


22 Bases covered with a large blast template


The template could hit a max of 31 models if they were laid out like this.



There is four more possible that can be hit but it is very iffy.

That had to be the dumbest BA player not to run so not to make his unit a tasty template target and the luckest Ork shot ever. That is like a unit of grots killing a full strength Abbadon in one round of CC. It is possible, but this is something that happens only once in a blue moon so saying that DC suck because of the freak occurence is not being fair to the unit. I would just say the player sucks not the unit.