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I went to my flgs Fantasy launch event which was a ton of fun and even won a prize. However, I found myself unwilling to buy the BRB mostly because it is fething HUGE. I am not crazy about fluff and all the pictures are nice but for my purposes are entirely unnecessary. Did any one else find them selves feeling hesitant to buy the new "baby killer" Hard bound monstrosity?

I didn't make this as a flame post. I made it most because I was shocked normally I am willing to part with any ridiculous sum of money for a new rule book, I just cannot justify hefting that thing around.

So you're saying you won't buy it because it is too heavy?

I agree with that, but not the heavy part. I don't want to pay $75 for a 500+ page book that I only need what, 80 pages of?

Bad deal.

Mattlov wrote:I agree with that, but not the heavy part. I don't want to pay $75 for a 500+ page book that I only need what, 80 pages of?

Bad deal.

Meh, I like the book, just a nice book overall.

I like the book too, I cant wait to slam it on the table open it up and say "this is why you're wrong" ahh it shall be enjoyable.

In all honesty, I've got the opposite problem. I have no problem with the size, and the fact that it has so much extra fluff/artwork is one of the reason why I'm so tempted to get it. And so far, the only reason why I haven't is because I'm lacking in funds at the moment.

Just buy it. I honestly don't know why people get into warhammer if they don't give two gaks about fluff and the background.

W/o it, its like playing w/ static action figures.

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Bottom line is that you can buy it now, I mean, even get it on ebay for probably $10 off, and have the fluff grow on you.

Or, you wait 'till september for the mini rulebook, and don't play 'till then.

Oh, I enjoy the fluff and what not, but GW doesn't advance their universes, so it is the same fluff from previous rulebooks. They might add a couple lines about great battle this, uprising that, but in the end, it is just the same fluff we have seen before.

That isn't worth the money.

Actually, now I'm not sure about this (I'm sure NOBODY is because there's easily 200 pages of background in there) but I think they advanced the storyline a bit. Some people were saying this was true.

Mattlov wrote:Oh, I enjoy the fluff and what not, but GW doesn't advance their universes, so it is the same fluff from previous rulebooks. They might add a couple lines about great battle this, uprising that, but in the end, it is just the same fluff we have seen before.

That isn't worth the money.

Read it before you speak.

There are ALOT of new additions in it.

Though the fluff has been re-amped. The pictures are amazing.

You'll all be sad when the starter set doesn't come with a mini-rulebook.

Karon wrote:Just buy it. I honestly don't know why people get into warhammer if they don't give two gaks about fluff and the background.

W/o it, its like playing w/ static action figures.

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Bottom line is that you can buy it now, I mean, even get it on ebay for probably $10 off, and have the fluff grow on you.

Or, you wait 'till september for the mini rulebook, and don't play 'till then.

First I got into WHFB and WH40k because I really enjoy the modeling, and painting aspect as well as the competitive play. The fluff for their universe is mundane and boring at best. Like I said money isn't my concern I just don't want to tote around that 7 lbs peice of %&@$.

I fully intend to wait until September but I see no reason to stop playing there are plenty of book out there our club even has a borrowable copy.

Inquisitor_Syphonious: Yes thats exactly what I am saying. I was hoping for a trimmed down version like 40K had, not the one from AOBR but the standard version vs. the collectors editions which looks exactly like the new BRB.

Don't feel bad, I agree. Too big with too damn little I will use.

And I probably won't play any of the races in the new starter kit.

Honestly, I don't see what's so hard about spending $80 on a book that you won't have to replace for 4 to 4 1/2 years...

Mattlov wrote:I agree with that, but not the heavy part. I don't want to pay $75 for a 500+ page book that I only need what, 80 pages of?

Bad deal.

Actually the first 150 paged are all rules, and then there are more rules in back for all the Lores of Magic. I forget if the 150 pages includes the Scenarios or not.

Karon wrote:Honestly, I don't see what's so hard about spending $80 on a book that you won't have to replace for 4 to 4 1/2 years...

Dude I don't know a way of saying this without being rude or condescending but you really need to read the posts. Money has NOTHING to do with my complaints about the new book I think the price is fine and it is only 65 out here your store is ripping you off.

I just feel it is massive and unwieldy for a rules supplement to a table top game and was curious if anyone else found this to be a deciding factor in their purchase.

If I wanted a novel with modeling guide plus tons of art work I would be willing to buy that as a separate book, but a 500+ page dead weight that I will only ever really look at for the rules is not an efficient expenditure.

Zhetsuken wrote:

Karon wrote:Honestly, I don't see what's so hard about spending $80 on a book that you won't have to replace for 4 to 4 1/2 years...

Dude I don't know a way of saying this without being rude or condescending but you really need to read the posts. Money has NOTHING to do with my complaints about the new book I think the price is fine and it is only 65 out here your store is ripping you off.

I just feel it is massive and unwieldy for a rules supplement to a table top game and was curious if anyone else found this to be a deciding factor in their purchase.

If I wanted a novel with modeling guide plus tons of art work I would be willing to buy that as a separate book, but a 500+ page dead weight that I will only ever really look at for the rules is not an efficient expenditure.

Your missing the point of the new 8th edition book. This is more than just a rule book, its a hobby book. If you just want the first 150 pages containing the rules, wait for the small rulebook. This book is not the book for you if you don't want the scenarios and fluff.

This book is a hobby book not just a rule book, so that really is what your paying for. This book is intended to sit at home, not be lugged to your local gaming club every weekend.

Phish Skills: I have no problem with that at all and in fact I expect that to an extent. However, what they released imho is extreme. The least they could have done is offered a "Collectors edition" (the monstrous one) and "Standard version" just like they did with 40K.

But all in all what this topic was supposed to be about was if other found this effecting their decision and it seems like there are a few but they constitute a minority so perhaps GW did the right thing and catered to their main audience and refused to take the hit for a slimmer version that wouldn't sell as well.

All things considering I'm going to be one of the ones who waits for the mini-book.

Like 40k, I would rather buy more minis than spend £50 on a book, I've had to buy academic texts that cost more than that, and each time I weep a little. I'm not saying the book is rubbish, it is indeed a very very nice tome that is pretty good quality, it's just I have to choose functionality over appearance for the next few years (or at least til I'm not so skint...).

Being skint, it's just a more sensible option, until then, I shall borrow rulebooks of fellow gamers!

The small starter box rulebook is good enough for noobs and as a second travel version next to the big book.
Serious gamers need the big book for the about 100 pages advanced rules at the back, including 30 pages of more interesting and challenging scenarios and a detailed instruction on how to make your own scenarios, legendary battles and campaigns. And serious gamers understand, that Warhammer is not like chess, but is enhanced by knowing your background and do some decent modelling, for which the book is a good help and a perfect hobby starter. BTW the background section includes new stuff, e.g. some hints on the upcoming Khemri models..

I too am loving the hugeness of it all. I can't see that the fluff has been advanced based on what they have written for the individual races, but it might be elsewhere in the book. I haven't read it all yet!

I guess it's not very practical for games (waiting for the travel copy in September), but it is very absorbing for those who enjoy doing a bit of reading behind the game. To be honest, it's what they should be doing with WD.

Good thing GW made BRB and the small rule book...

Both sides can be happy now ^-^v

( and honestly i dislike the big book , i rather have the rule book by itself , and the fluff + picture by itself )
this way when i read it on bed , i can access the proper contents without the extra bulk.

Mattlov wrote:but GW doesn't advance their universes

Repeat after me,

Warhammer is a setting, not a novel. It doesn't have a beginning, middle and end, it's perpetual war and struggle for our man dollies.

*listening to the masses chanting*

Excellent, see, I knew you guys could get this.

Had a quick scan last week in the FLGS

Am I alone in thinking that the double page spreads of wishy washy illustrations are not good? Not keen on the yellow and red stuff at all. Just doesn't cut it for me but everyone else seems to think it's cool.

What am I not getting?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Had a quick scan last week in the FLGS

Am I alone in thinking that the double page spreads of wishy washy illustrations are not good? Not keen on the yellow and red stuff at all. Just doesn't cut it for me but everyone else seems to think it's cool.

What am I not getting?

Personal preference i guess . Gamers , Collector / Fans , some of us just dont really care for it xD

as it has been mentioned earlier " whats the point of getting into Fantasy if we dont care about fluff "
well i would say " i do care about fluff , only my own army :3 "

I like the fluff.
Doubt if I would have been drwan into WHFB then subsequently 40K without it.

The quality of the illustrations is so insipid. Personal preference as you say, but I don't find it inspiring.
It lacks the "atmosphere" of the world for me.

Pages of unispiring artwork in a book that will be redundant in 5 years time doesn't really cut it for me.
Will wait for the little one.

LunaHound wrote:as it has been mentioned earlier " whats the point of getting into Fantasy if we dont care about fluff "
well i would say " i do care about fluff , only my own army :3 "

What is the point in a glorious epic battle between your famous Imperial general, Graf Wilhelm von Talabec, son of King Heinrich, destroyer of the Daemon Prince Tzirchobat, hero of the battle at Middenheim ... and some dumb grey plastic miniatures you don't care about by your opponent?

BTW, there are at least 90 pages of advanced rules at the back of the book, as I described above. So its not just inessential luxury.

Zhetsuken wrote:Phish Skills: I have no problem with that at all and in fact I expect that to an extent. However, what they released imho is extreme. The least they could have done is offered a "Collectors edition" (the monstrous one) and "Standard version" just like they did with 40K.

But all in all what this topic was supposed to be about was if other found this effecting their decision and it seems like there are a few but they constitute a minority so perhaps GW did the right thing and catered to their main audience and refused to take the hit for a slimmer version that wouldn't sell as well.

Yes, people have heavily whined about this before you, and in the end, it ended with this statement.

Buy the Rulebook, Play the Game.

Buy the Starter Set in September, use other peoples rulebooks to play/don't play.

I love the smell of condescension in the evening.

I was so uncertain what I was going to do but have been saved by the blinding insight and wisdom. Now I know what the options are. I'm sure there are many more who are similarly grateful for the advice.

I agree about the double page illustrations being lacking, Chibi, although I like the rest of the illustrations (the ones that are less muddy/fuzzy) quite a bit!

I think it's silly to make fun of or begrudge someone having reservations about buying this book- I got it as soon as the store opened yesterday, but it's true that most of it is background and not the necessary rules to play the game. If you need to save some money, waiting for the smaller rulebook is a really good idea! They have a sample of it at the store, and it looks like it's got everything you need to play- just like the 7th ed small one, that everyone I know used instead of the larger one.

I'm very happy with the large one, since I like the pics/background, but it's obviously a business decision to wait to release the smaller one! Since for practical purposes, most of us will need to purchase it, too! So that a 2' x 1' section of our game board isn't taken up by the rulebook when it's open . I even spiral-bound my small rulebook for 7th ed so that I could fold it over and have it take up an even smaller footprint- I'm sure I'll do the same thing with the 8th ed one!

So if you want to wait, I don't see any problem with it at all. It'll save some money! But I couldn't wait, and I like the pictures/extras in the main book . Plus the magic cards, it's pure win, imho!

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Read it before you speak.

There are ALOT of new additions in it.

Though the fluff has been re-amped. The pictures are amazing.

You'll all be sad when the starter set doesn't come with a mini-rulebook.

The new starter set does come with the mini rulebook. I looked at it yesterday. Held it in my hands even.