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I think the marker drone is stupid when used with fire warriors, because normal drones are jet pack jump infantry so they can fire their markerlights after moving because they have relentless, but what is stupid is that if you use a marker drone with a fire warrior squad and you move then you cant fire the markerlight because the drone counts as infantry, which means if your 18" away from the enemy and move 6 you can rapid fire but cant try to gain +1 BS from the markerlight, seems abit unfair, if you ask me, sure, the 30 points gives you +1 BS (or other benefits) on a 4+ and virtually an extra wound, but i think it should be able to fire the markerlight.

This may belong in tactics.....

Because if you have a unit of firewarriors (presumably 12) and are advancing towards the enemy into rapid fire range, you may have bigger issues than whether your markerlight drones can fire or not.

I was just saying it'd be much better if it had relentless so it could fire

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Twiggy wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:This may belong in tactics.....

Because if you have a unit of firewarriors (presumably 12) and are advancing towards the enemy into rapid fire range, you may have bigger issues than whether your markerlight drones can fire or not.

But i just think that if you hit your markerlight then your 24 shots hit on 3s instead of 4s

There are these things called "Pathfinders" and "Stealth Suits", both of which use Markerlights a LOT more effectively.

Stealth Suits can even JSJ with theirs.

Twiggy, Dashofpepper's point is that if Firewarriors are close enough to rapid fire, they're close enough to be charged. The extra 4 hits you'll get from the additional ballistic skill probably won't make a difference.

Lorek wrote:Twiggy, Dashofpepper's point is that if Firewarriors are close enough to rapid fire, they're close enough to be charged. The extra 4 hits you'll get from the additional ballistic skill probably won't make a difference.

Well it depends what your against really, against nids those 4 hits could kill 4 genestealers cos its 3s to wound with no armour saves cos they have a 5+


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Gwar! wrote:

Twiggy wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:This may belong in tactics.....

Because if you have a unit of firewarriors (presumably 12) and are advancing towards the enemy into rapid fire range, you may have bigger issues than whether your markerlight drones can fire or not.

But i just think that if you hit your markerlight then your 24 shots hit on 3s instead of 4s

There are these things called "Pathfinders" and "Stealth Suits", both of which use Markerlights a LOT more effectively.

Stealth Suits can even JSJ with theirs.

Yeah i know if you put marker drones with stealthsuits/Crisis then it CAN move and fire the markerlight but with fire warriors it CANT which just confuses me

Twiggy wrote:

Lorek wrote:Twiggy, Dashofpepper's point is that if Firewarriors are close enough to rapid fire, they're close enough to be charged. The extra 4 hits you'll get from the additional ballistic skill probably won't make a difference.

Well it depends what your against really, against nids those 4 hits could kill 4 genestealers cos its 3s to wound with no armour saves cos they have a 5+

No. Really.

Firstly, the Stealers will have cover 80% of the time.

Secondly, 1 Genestealer or 10 it doesn't matter. If a Single Genestealer gets anywhere near your FW, you can pretty much kiss that unit goodbye.

Gwar! wrote:

Twiggy wrote:

Lorek wrote:Twiggy, Dashofpepper's point is that if Firewarriors are close enough to rapid fire, they're close enough to be charged. The extra 4 hits you'll get from the additional ballistic skill probably won't make a difference.

Well it depends what your against really, against nids those 4 hits could kill 4 genestealers cos its 3s to wound with no armour saves cos they have a 5+

No. Really.

Firstly, the Stealers will have cover 80% of the time.

Secondly, 1 Genestealer or 10 it doesn't matter. If a Single Genestealer gets anywhere near your FW, you can pretty much kiss that unit goodbye.

Stealers wont have cover if they outflank from a board edge... and plus 12 fire warriors still could kill a single genestealer, 4 attacks could kill 2 or 3 but i could still finish it, it only has 1 wound and a 5+ save...

Twiggy wrote:Stealers wont have cover if they outflank from a board edge... and plus 12 fire warriors still could kill a single genestealer, 4 attacks could kill 2 or 3 but i could still finish it, it only has 1 wound and a 5+ save...

What boards are you playing on and where can I find them.

Also, Outflanking Stealers generally get to Assault the turn they come in. If they don't, it means all your units are clumped in the middle all over each other, right where the rest of the army wants it and benefiting from delicious 4+ cover.

Gwar! wrote:

Twiggy wrote:Stealers wont have cover if they outflank from a board edge... and plus 12 fire warriors still could kill a single genestealer, 4 attacks could kill 2 or 3 but i could still finish it, it only has 1 wound and a 5+ save...

What boards are you playing on and where can I find them.

Also, Outflanking Stealers generally get to Assault the turn they come in. If they don't, it means all your units are clumped in the middle all over each other, right where the rest of the army wants it and benefiting from delicious 4+ cover.

Correct. If fighting nids leaving flanks open is a bad thing. I like leaving an empty Devil fish as endcaps for my gun line with fletchettes with moving 6 inches or 12 if I can to keep it from getting hit. Sure Genestealers can assult it. But they will loosse almost 1/2 their number on average. Or better yet they outflank hormogaunts, and I kite them with their rage.

Back to the OP.

I have tried them on a unit before and I think it's a waste of points.

Problems I see with this thread:

#1. Taking 12 Fire warriors in a squad. Maybe not a real problem, just a personal thing
#2. Moving your Fire Warriors for any reason(save running away from assault) Whatsoever on foot. That Pathfinder Devilfish is a nice thing
#3 If you take 12 Fire Warriors, you'll hopefully have a Shas'ui. They can take a markerlight for 10 points

If you want to take marker Drones, Deathrain suits and Stealthsuits are both nice for this( Not a big Stealthsuit fan, but like the 12 Fire warriors, just a personal thing).

Like the other have said, your Fire Warriors do not yell "For the Emporer!" When they move. You should Never move them closer to Stealers. Aun knows the Nid players do not think "Oh Noes! Fire warriors! Run!" They think "nom nom nom". Ever with Space marines, Nid players prolly think "Nom nom nom".

Anyways, If you want Markerlights, Pathfinders, Stealthsuits, or Deathrain Crisis.

Gwar! wrote:

Also, Outflanking Stealers generally get to Assault the turn they come in.

If they do, it mean you are playing it wrongly and deserve to lose.

Gwar! wrote:

Twiggy wrote:

Lorek wrote:Twiggy, Dashofpepper's point is that if Firewarriors are close enough to rapid fire, they're close enough to be charged. The extra 4 hits you'll get from the additional ballistic skill probably won't make a difference.

Well it depends what your against really, against nids those 4 hits could kill 4 genestealers cos its 3s to wound with no armour saves cos they have a 5+

No. Really.

Firstly, the Stealers will have cover 80% of the time.

Secondly, 1 Genestealer or 10 it doesn't matter. If a Single Genestealer gets anywhere near your FW, you can pretty much kiss that unit goodbye.

I once watched a squad of FW kill 2 Gene Stealers in CC... a lot of luck was with my Tau friend that day. I say this because your absolutely right Gwar, if your in CC with a Stealer your pretty much dead... I lost 5 Shooty Termies to a squad of 5 Stealers without even getting to attack... I learned my lesson lol

I gotta agree, tho personally I gotta disagree on the "12 firewarriors are bad" thing (nothing personal I just see it everywhere) I have yet to see a time, short of points, when having smaller squads of firewarriors is effective. The devilfish carries 12 why not make them 12 FW? gun drones cost the same and are shittier when attached and even if they move the pulse rifle will put out the same or more shots as a pulse carbine no matter what. and with so many fearless units/combat tactics units now days pinning is next to useless against the models you'd want to pin

Anyway...back OT
marker drones, like stealth suits, pathfinders with railrifles, vespids, devilfishes, sky rays and to a lesser extent kroot and krootox are all overpriced anyways, so you really wanna make sure you get the most bang for your overcosted buck: stick em with a JSJ unit (and don't spend the extra 10 points on a markerlight for your shas'ui, because you're giving up the 11-22 other shots for one shot that hits half the time) and have them feed off the superior toughness of those squads and still be relentless