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 Lord Damocles wrote:
It's been a while since they released the Eldar Sketchbook in an impossibly impractical format.

Oh I'd love for them to re-release stuff like that.


Just not around Christmas please - I want to actually have a chance to buy them before the 2 week window to order vanishes (that assumes its not a 1 day limited print run)

An Eldar artbook would be incredible.

Really, I have to be honest and hope this event is just reprint central recently.

I've been reading Chris Wraight's Vaults of Terra books (Inquisitor and his wise-cracking servo skull (who wise cracks in Latin!) doing Inquisitor stuff on Terra itself) and finishing the 2nd book.

Something REALLY MAJOR happens out of left field and seems to be missing an explanation.



I wonder am I supposed to also be reading Wraight's Watchers of the Throne (Custodeus dudes doing Custodeus stuff) books to know what is going on.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/04/heres-whats-coming-to-black-library-in-2023/

I'm quite surprised and nothing about the Leagues of Votann was announced, I expected they'd be getting at least some sort of involvement in a novel shortly after their release.

Also a bit disappointed there's no Black Library art print Calendar this year.

I hope (I know) that the second volume of the 8th novel of the Siege of Terra is the last one. That aside, Cypher and Bad Moon are must read for me. Do not care about the rest.

Messinus is looking really really nice. The powerfist is awesome but the bare head is kinda bleh.





Is there a fluff reason why his right shoulder pad is like that?

I'm glad we're getting another space marine captain. They were feeling really neglected.

I'm sad that the blurb and image for the new Gotrek book make it sound like GW might really have killed off Gotrek's Witch Aelf companion - replacing her with a Stormcast it seems.

Granted he seems to get through them pretty fast in terms of companions, but darn it they could have been wild and given him a Vampire or something to really torment and test his patience.


Nice to see AoS getting a look-in. Goblin book, Gotrek book, Vampire book!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I hope (I know) that the second volume of the 8th novel of the Siege of Terra is the last one.

Considering all the heavy implying going on, calling it ''almost a sequel to the heresy'' and all the avoiding to flat out say that it will be exactly two volumes, a volume three is almost a given at this time, and i personally think that we can call ourselves lucky if it stops there and does not escalate to volume four or even more. I guess they just can't let go of the opportunity to have a ''twist'' with a ''secret'' third volume, coming ''totally out of the left field'' and containing ''huge revelations''™. Also, to be cynic for a moment, that approach offers another round of opportunities for mega-deluxe trilogy special editions in a commemoratory box, and to milk the whole affair for half of another year and perhaps an additional christmas.


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Just to list some circumstancial evidence for TEatD not being limited to two books:

- They never outright say it is two books -. they use expressions like 'more than one volume' or 'several books'. They also quite deliberately avoid natural expressions like ''the first half'' and the like, instead again opting for 'the first volume' and such.
- The release schedule is aligned so that they can release Vol. 1 at the black library celebration, have it end with 'To be continued in Vol. 2' instead of 'To be concluded in Vol. 2', thus generating more buzz for the 'secret' 3rd Volume, then present Vol. 3 at Warhammer Fest 2023, for a christmas release, coincidentially at around the time when wholesaler preorders and amazon listings would need to happen
- From an artistic standpoint, there is no way, and i mean no possible way, that the cover of the last ever book in the Horus Heresy is not the image that defines the 'modern' setting of Warhammer 40k, i.e. the carrion emperor on the golden throne.

"It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.''

It's literally the first thing you see in every single book and novel you open, the one thing every last reader or person even passingly familiar with the setting has seen multiple times.

No way this is not the cover image for the actual last volume in the series.

Tsagualsa wrote:
No way this is not the cover image for the actual last volume in the series.

I dunno, for someone that had been following the series with no outside knowledge of the setting, it might be a bit of a spoiler! I think it more likely to be another re-interpretation of Adrian Smith's Horus vs. Emperor duel. In an ideal world, it would be Smith re-imagining it himself, but they're kinda committed to Neil Roberts now...

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I'm quite surprised and nothing about the Leagues of Votann was announced, I expected they'd be getting at least some sort of involvement in a novel shortly after their release.

Yeah me too, I would even take a short story at this stage- its a great book but they are really light on lore.

*Sits in the corner with Tyranids waiting for their first book!*

All but forgot about this happening today and quite disappointed with the previews, nothing of interest for me here, saves me the hassle of taking a day off then to preorder books like previous years.

Oh well.



Not a fan of the author, but for completion's sake, might as well pick it up then.

That is SOME CAPE on that cover.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
That is SOME CAPE on that cover.

By the rate that this series is inflating, his wardrobe will get its own anthology of short stories, called

Why did Messinius get a model? He’s only been in one of the Dawn of Fire book and he’s not particularly important. Just looking over Dawn of Fire you passed up models that would be a lot more interesting; some of which have more appearances.

- An Inquisitor
- A Custodian
- A Space Wolf Primaris
- The Argent Shroud Canoness
- The Mordian General from book 2

Not got to book 4 yet but that Sister of Silence character might be important as well.

I just don’t see how this model would easily fit into other armies. A White Consuls Captain isn’t something you could just throw in like the female Commisar or famous like Gaunt to be a collector piece.

Never mind other book series. They passed up:

- Honsou
- Forrix
- Kroegar
- Cain
- Augusta from the Bloody Rose series
- Meridya and Verity from the James Swallow book series
- Bequin
- Ravenor
- Saint Sabbat

You get the idea. There’s a lot of other characters they could have went with.

Probably because the character is a UM successor chapter captain and Primaris? I dunno, GW has tunnel vision when it comes to creating more one-shot captains and lieutenants most of the time.

 Grimskul wrote:
Probably because the character is a UM successor chapter captain and Primaris? I dunno, GW has tunnel vision when it comes to creating more one-shot captains and lieutenants most of the time.

Yep, it's a marine with a pretty standard loadout and no really extravagant, faction-specific details. It's almost guaranteed to sell.

That is a dull unnspired model. Hard pass from me.

Would be fun if they branched out a bit. Librarians, chaplins, tech marines or apothecaries. Even if the character isn't crash hot it gives conversion fuel for other projects.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Never mind other book series. They passed up:

- Honsou
- Forrix
- Kroegar
- Cain
- Augusta from the Bloody Rose series
- Meridya and Verity from the James Swallow book series
- Bequin
- Ravenor
- Saint Sabbat

You get the idea. There’s a lot of other characters they could have went with.

GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Their brand cross-promotion is dire, even from inter-company studios.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Messinus is looking really really nice. The powerfist is awesome but the bare head is kinda bleh.

They've 100% based his bare head on that of Rammstein frontman,Till Lindemann.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I just don’t see how this model would easily fit into other armies. A White Consuls Captain isn’t something you could just throw in like the female Commisar or famous like Gaunt to be a collector piece.

Uh, what? He is pad swap plus knee icon filing away (and even that is not needed, seeing Raptor Imperialis SM honour badge looks pretty much like this) from fitting into any chapter you want. And the model itself is useful, too, not only it's Primaris Captain with PF/PP combo (which, aside of conversion, is only available as limited store opening model or from scalpers) or one storm bolter bit glued on from being Pedro Kantor (which is not on sale currently and looks really similar to Messinius). Yes, I'd prefer Saint Sabbat but as far as character models go, I bet he will easily outsell last 10+ gak choices for character release slot...

GW wrote:SERIES: SUBSERIES: SUB-SUBSERIES PART 2 OF WHO KNOWS HOW MANY

Can someone please finally put this dumpster fire of a series out of its misery? The heresy novels should have been 1-2 books max and I have no idea why anyone keeps buying full-price novels at an exponentially increasing rate of page count to in-universe time. What's next, an entire 500 page novel dedicated to Horus swinging his sword once? It's such shameless milking of the cash cow with no literary merits.

Gue'vesa Emissary wrote:

GW wrote:SERIES: SUBSERIES: SUB-SUBSERIES PART 2 OF WHO KNOWS HOW MANY

Can someone please finally put this dumpster fire of a series out of its misery? The heresy novels should have been 1-2 books max and I have no idea why anyone keeps buying full-price novels at an exponentially increasing rate of page count to in-universe time. What's next, an entire 500 page novel dedicated to Horus swinging his sword once? It's such shameless milking of the cash cow with no literary merits.

No one expects the HH novels to be literary nirvana.

The series has gone on too long but I'm not privy to the individual sold book numbers. Fans will read/buy what they want.

Maybe Book 5 of the end will bring us back to the beginning and an important character who glimpses the Emperor having a quick smoke round the back of his laboratory before things go to hell.

What does a book need to sell to be successful? Not many '000's. 1 to show and 1 to go to indies and bookstores world wide? Amazon fulfilment? Its another hit and justification for another book or two.

The clamour for pre and post heresy info is rising and GW are aware of that. The Beast series had what? 7 books? I'd expect another massive series along with the current timeline rift shenanigans.

Gue'vesa Emissary wrote:

GW wrote:SERIES: SUBSERIES: SUB-SUBSERIES PART 2 OF WHO KNOWS HOW MANY

Can someone please finally put this dumpster fire of a series out of its misery? The heresy novels should have been 1-2 books max and I have no idea why anyone keeps buying full-price novels at an exponentially increasing rate of page count to in-universe time. What's next, an entire 500 page novel dedicated to Horus swinging his sword once? It's such shameless milking of the cash cow with no literary merits.

Nah, they won't stop anytime soon - the series is a huge cashcow, and before the shift in publication model that muddled the water quite regularly managed to place titles on several bestseller lists, which is a huge achievement for fiction set in a niche hobby universe. Just like space marines are the mainstay of the whole miniature side of the operation, the heresy is at least a very important core column of their buisness model, if not the most important one outright. You can pretty much expect several additional years of special editions, abridged series, editions with authors commentary and annotations, artbooks, audiobooks and chaff like that to follow, as well as a multi-year series of ''aftermath'' stuff, retconned filler, spinoff subseries and so on. Their whole buisness model will need a huge re-orientation after the heresy is officially ''finished'', and since that is inherently risky, they will try to stave that off for as long as possible. I fully expect them to weasel out of their current stance of the scouring not being part of the heresy series at the earliest opportunity, possibly by using titles like ''Horus Heresy - The Scouring Book 1: Legacy of the Legaciator'' or something like that. Ought to get at least half a decade out of it, with story beats like the traitors flight from terra, the reclamation of mars -there's a trilogy in that alone for sure-, setting up the codex astartes and all that, a disappearance novel each per loyalist primarch, and perhaps a novel or even multiple per traitor primarch/legion that deals with their journey to the eye, setting up their demon worlds and realms and stuff like that.

As a wise man once wrote: They'll never cancel the simpsons.

Phew! After a glance at this thread, it's good to see other people are unimpressed with the new mini and the new books coming out. The only one I have a little interest in is the Cypher one...until I read the synopsis, and I was like...meh.

I wish GW would make minis for the millions of great legacy characters rather than these new ones that I don't care about.

Still no Ciaphas Cain or Amberley Vail; it's dumb.

 Irbis wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I just don’t see how this model would easily fit into other armies. A White Consuls Captain isn’t something you could just throw in like the female Commisar or famous like Gaunt to be a collector piece.

Uh, what? He is pad swap plus knee icon filing away (and even that is not needed, seeing Raptor Imperialis SM honour badge looks pretty much like this) from fitting into any chapter you want. And the model itself is useful, too, not only it's Primaris Captain with PF/PP combo (which, aside of conversion, is only available as limited store opening model or from scalpers) or one storm bolter bit glued on from being Pedro Kantor (which is not on sale currently and looks really similar to Messinius). Yes, I'd prefer Saint Sabbat but as far as character models go, I bet he will easily outsell last 10+ gak choices for character release slot...

Plus, never underestimate those who go "Now I have a White Consils Captain I need to start a new Primaris army".

Cha , and indeed, Ching go the tills.